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  <title>Comments for Ted Nelson&apos;s two-way links</title>
  
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    <published>2003-09-18T05:43:56Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:15:28Z</updated>
    <title>Ted Nelson&apos;s two-way links</title>
    <summary>Matt Webb blogged the Hypertext03 conference and the resulting notes are a good scan. Thank goodness for people like Matt who blog conferences, because those of us who live on the other side of the world don&apos;t get to go to these flash harry conferences *sulk*. Matt&apos;s notes on Ted Nelson&apos;s speech were especially interesting....</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://interconnected.org/">Matt Webb</a> blogged the Hypertext03 conference and the resulting notes are a good scan. Thank goodness for people like Matt who blog conferences, because those of us who live on the other side of the world don't get to go to these <a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/bloggerCon/">flash harry conferences</a> *sulk*. Matt's <a href="http://interconnected.org/notes/2003/08/ht03/wed_am_tednelson.txt">notes on Ted Nelson's speech</a> were especially interesting. <a href="http://www.xanadu.com.au/ted/">Ted Nelson</a> is a legend in the Web world - he invented <a href="http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/h/hypertext.html">hypertext</a> in the 1960's and his <a href="http://xanadu.com/nxu/">Xanadu project</a> was an inspiration for the World Wide Web. But Ted Nelson is, and always has been, waaay ahead of his time. His ideas and concepts are mind-blowing. This is from <a href="http://xanadu.com/nxu/index.html">Ted Nelson's website</a>:</p> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <p>"Today's one-way hypertext - the World Wide Web - is far too shallow. The Xanadu project foresaw world-wide hypertext and has always endeavored to create a much deeper system. The Web, however, took over with a very shallow structure. Our simple, but very different structure - for details see "<a href="http://xanadu.com/xuTheModel/index.html">The Xanadu Model</a>" - allows -<br /> - UNBREAKABLE LINKS.<br /> - COPYRIGHT SIMPLIFICATION AND SOFTENING.<br /> - ORIGIN CONNECTION.<br /> - TWO-WAY LINKS.<br /> - SIDE-SIDE INTERCOMPARISON.<br /> - DEEP VERSION MANAGEMENT.<br /> - INCREMENTAL PUBLISHING.<br /> How can this be? Very simple, but very different."</p> </blockquote> <p dir="ltr">If this is "simple", then it's a definition of "simple" from a parallel universe :-) But on the other hand some of these concepts have been kicking around the blogosphere recently. For example, two-way links... this from Matt's notes:</p> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <p dir="ltr">"the web lacks:<br /> - 2 way links<br /> - link overlays that anyone can create<br /> <br /> the web is just the file system online. directories with one-way jumplinks"</p> </blockquote> <p dir="ltr">Two-way links in the blog world means comments, trackback, referrers, Technorati - all the things that provide information on who is linking to you or commenting on you. Nelson defines two-way links as: "anyone may publish connected comments to any page". So it's about connections, not just one-way via an HTML a href, but back and forth across the Web. Two-way links are about tracking conversations, following trails of information (to paraphrase <a href="http://www.boxesandarrows.com/archives/foreseeing_the_future_the_legacy_of_vannevar_bush.php"> Vannevar Bush</a>). The Disenchanted website has an interesting article on this, called <a href="http://www.disenchanted.com/dis/technology/xanadu.html">Ghosts of Xanadu</a>:</p> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <p dir="ltr">"Cheap and democratic as it was, Berners-Lee's Web didn't have half the features Xanadu promised to, and two-way linking was one of them. Without a central server it couldn't be enforced, and to make authorship of pages as simple as possible - given the state of the art at the time - it had to be left out along with automatic attribution, micropayments, copyright management, unbreakable links, and most of Nelson's other ideas. But ten years later, a ghost of Xanadu is being recreated in the same style as the Web itself: quick, dirty, and cheap. Like Xanadu, it could have interesting implications for the way we structure knowledge."</p> </blockquote> <p dir="ltr">By "quick, dirty, and cheap" Disenchanted may be referring to the weblog phenomonem, where tools such as Trackback, <a href="http://www.technorati.com/">Technorati</a> and <a href="http://topicexchange.com/">Topic Exchange</a> (amongst many others) are being bootstrapped into existence. All these tools, in the sum of the parts, are fulfilling Ted Nelson's vision of two-way links. Of course there's much more to Xanadu than two-way links. But by <a href="http://davenet.userland.com/2000/11/30/bootstrapping">bootstrapping</a> the current Web piece-by-piece, instead of trying to develop a grand mind-blowing concept like Xanadu, maybe that's the way to fulfil Ted Nelson's <em>vision -</em> even if it's not the exact system he has in mind.</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Bill Seitz on 2003-09-19</title>
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        <name>Bill Seitz</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's worth remember that wiki's inherently track *internal* 2-way-links (BackLinks). And that any 2 wikis which use SmashedTogetherWords as node names have the potential for lots of connections...</p>

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    <published>2003-09-19T19:53:04Z</published>
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