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    <title>Fractal Web applied to Blogging</title>
    <summary><![CDATA[I review Tim Berners-Lee's recent interview with Christopher Lydon and&nbsp;analyse how the Fractal Society impacts on the world of blogging. Today I listened to Christopher Lydon's recent interview with Tim Berners-Lee, the creator of the World Wide Web. In it&nbsp;Berners-Lee discussed the state of the Web and outlined his vision of a "fractal society". It...]]></summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p class="leader">I review Tim Berners-Lee's recent interview with Christopher Lydon and&nbsp;analyse how the Fractal Society impacts on the world of blogging.</p> <p>Today I listened to <a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/lydon/2004/01/09#a477">Christopher Lydon's recent interview with Tim Berners-Lee</a>, the creator of the World Wide Web. In it&nbsp;Berners-Lee discussed the state of the Web and outlined his vision of a "fractal society". It was also very interesting to hear&nbsp;his views on blogging, which I'd not heard him speak on before. At the beginning of the interview, he mentioned that the general public are "seizing on the Web as a way to have a conversation". I got the impression that TBL sees blogging as one aspect of this phenomenon, but he cautions that blogging is still practised by comparatively few Web users. Blogs are a "new structure", but just one part of the Web.</p> <p>When Lydon asked him why he created the Web back in the late 80's/early 90's, Berners-Lee said he felt there was "a need to write where you can read". He initially designed it to be a "collaborative medium", but it's real impact has been as a "publication medium". A word he used a few times was "annotate" and one point in particular stood out here: that we should be able to annotate the Web in order to "make people accountable". TBL used the example of US politics, which he felt needed to improve its accountability. He suggested that the Web could enable the public to annotate what public figures say and evolve discussions around that. This reminded me of the W3C's read/write web browser, <a href="http://www.w3.org/Amaya/">Amaya</a>, which <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/2003/07/13.html#a79">I've blogged about</a> in the past. Amaya is one of the great missed opportunities of the Web, IMHO. Microsoft's Internet Explorer has roughly 95% of the market, yet it can only <b>read</b> Web content - it can't be used to <b>write</b> it (at least not without using an add-on tool, such as blog authoring systems like Radio Userland and Movable Type). I am of course referring here to the <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/2003/06/15.html#a50">Universal Canvas</a>, which is another one of my obsessions - and possibly right up there in <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/2003/08/09.html#a96">mythical status</a> with the Semantic Web. But I digress.</p> <p>The main part of the TBL interview focused on Berners-Lee's theory of a <b>Fractal Society</b> and how the Web can be used to achieve this. Fractal Web is a complicated mathematics-backed theory and I need to read up on this some more. Indeed, TBL has been using the word "fractal" a lot these past few months in order to evangelise his concept. So people are just beginning to understand it now. Essentially "fractal" in the TBL sense means <b>structure on many levels</b>, which is the phrase he used to describe it. Berners-Lee observed that "complicated systems seem to be fractal" - and I inferred from this that he thinks blogging is such a system.</p> <p>TBL wants people to try and achieve a "balance across the different scales". But achieving success on a global scale doesn't mean you need to become famous - it simply means "think global, act local". His suggestion is that we should divide our time over 10 channels, like so:</p> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <p>1 - You<br /> 10 - Your family<br /> 100 - Your social group<br /> 1000 - local community (eg your church)<br /> etc up to the 10th level, which is a global scale.</p> </blockquote> <p dir="ltr">Each of those levels represents the size of your audience, or the number of people you are dealing with (nb: TBL didn't specify what exactly the labels represented, but this is&nbsp;my understanding of what he said). He had an analogy of dropping marbles into 10 cans and the aim is to spread one's marbles around. TBL went on to discuss the fractal theory in terms of blogging:-</p> <p>Blogging is an individualistic activity, in that you're expressing yourself via the Web in your writing and other multimedia. But blogging is also a fractal activity because, even though you're doing an individualistic thing, you're also "part of something bigger". When you blog, you're participating in a group activity. The question for us bloggers then becomes: which scale am I&nbsp;blogging at and therefore how much time should I be devoting to it in relation to my other activities?&nbsp;For example I am&nbsp;currently working at the 3rd level with my weblog - my audience can be counted in multiples of 10. So should my ultimate goal be to hop up a couple of levels and become an A-List blogger, where my blog reaches an audience of 10,000 or more? Or do I want to become a Citizen Blogger for my local community, so I move up to level 4 with an audience of around 1000? Or should I be happy writing for a small audience of people who share my interests? Maybe I can do a combination of these things - that is, different blogging activities aimed at different fractal levels. These are all questions that perhaps bloggers should be asking themselves. My initial impression is that Tim Berners-Lee's fractal theory helps us to balance blogging with other aspects of our social lives on the Web. Perhaps it's even an antidote to <a href="http://www.corante.com/many/archives/2004/01/13/inequality.php">inequality</a>&nbsp;in the blogosphere?</p> <p>My favourite part of the TBL interview was when he said that blogging *should* be <b>two-way</b>. One&nbsp;should express oneself (=WRITE), but also listen to feedback (=READ). Berners-Lee thought that blogging has done exceedingly well to provide mechanisms for gathering and listening to feedback. But he wants people on the Web in general (and I'm hereby employing this concept to blogging specifically) to make a conscious effort to not constrain themselves to a rose-coloured view of the world.&nbsp;That is, don't&nbsp;become trapped in a self-reinforcing social group, that only links to and reads content belonging to other members of your group. Listen to other bloggers, listen to *all* the blogosphere. This is where I believe topic-based ontologies on the Web can be very useful and the likes of <a href="http://topicexchange.com/">Topic Exchange</a> and <a href="http://k-collector.evectors.it/">k-collector</a> are&nbsp;improving the Web, by exposing&nbsp;us to content from people who we don't normally read but who nevertheless share our interests.</p> <p>TBL wants fractal to refer to a balance between diversity and homogeneity. By this I took it that bloggers should be diverse enough to write about the things that interest them individually (the old 'to each his own' maxim), but at the same time&nbsp;the&nbsp;Net enables us to&nbsp;participate in conversations with other people in the blogosphere&nbsp;who share our interests - and all of this is going on at different levels. Looking at this from a personal viewpoint, my blogroll reflects the people I see as having similar interests to me and therefore I see us collectively as a "group" (nb: that doesn't mean the people on my blogroll necessarily see *me* as part of *their* group). On a local community level, perhaps this is where my <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/2004/01/13.html#a186">Citizen Blogger</a> post comes in - maybe I will begin to use the Web to contribute to my community as a Citizen Blogger. And on a global scale, well I need to work on improving myself on this level. It may mean doing some writing for a publication with a wider audience than my humble blog. For example, <a href="http://www.digital-web.com/profiles/">the people</a> who volunteer their services to <a href="http://www.digital-web.com/">Digital Web</a> magazine are involving themselves on a higher fractal level than just writing on their individual websites. They are writing for a bigger community of people and for a specific public purpose, so they have to adjust their output accordingly. This is just one example, there are many more options to explore and outside the Web Development community too.</p> <p>As you&nbsp;have seen,&nbsp;the Tim Berners-Lee interview has inspired me to think and write about how I can improve my 'fractibility' (if there is such a word!). I look forward to listening to more Christopher Lydon interviews too, it's quite stimulating to the mind.</p> <p>PS: <a href="http://www.w3.org/2003/Talks/0922-rsoc-tbl/slide24-0.html">Here</a> <a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Fractal.html">are</a> <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/mar2002/nf20020327_4579.htm">some</a> <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.03/ff_father_pr.html">links</a> <a href="http://applied.math.utsa.edu/~salingar/InfoCities.html">about</a> the Fractal Web.</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Mark Hemphill on 2004-01-19</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I've been pondering the fractal nature of media and the web myself.  I can't explain it thoroughly here but I believe that there is a strong connection betwen Fractal theory and the  (aka Divine Proportion, Harmonic Promtion, Golden Section, Fibonacci series).  I believe that the powers-of-ten theory of the Fractal web can be augmented by considering each successive 'community' not as a linear progression of concentric circles but as an algorithmic series.  The outer circles - the masses strike us like diffused overtones.  Some resonate and some clash.  This is fertile ground!</p>]]>
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    <published>2004-01-19T23:50:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mark Hemphill on 2004-01-19</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I've been pondering the fractal nature of media and the web myself.  I can't explain it thoroughly here but I believe that there is a strong connection betwen Fractal theory and the Golden Mean (aka Divine Proportion, Harmonic Promtion, Golden Section, Fibonacci series).  I believe that the powers-of-ten theory of the Fractal web can be augmented by considering each successive 'community' not as a linear progression of concentric circles but as an algorithmic series.  The outer circles - the masses strike us like diffused overtones.  Some resonate and some clash.  This is fertile ground!</p>]]>
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    <published>2004-01-19T23:50:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2004-01-19</title>
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        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Mark, thanks for your comment and the link to Golden Section Museum. That looks veeery interesting and I will have a good browse through that website! btw I've also subscribed to your website.</p>]]>
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    <published>2004-01-20T01:43:33Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Seth Finkelstein on 2004-01-21</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Well, thanks for thinking about it in any case :-)</p>

<p>I have the same misgivings in the way Sir Tim uses "fractal" in some places.</p>

<p>The usage here is almost the opposite of fractals. That is, instead of the situation being the same regardless of scale, the key factor is DIFFERENCES depending on scale. It's almost anti-fractal.</p>

<p>That is, the point of a fractal is that it looks the same no matter what the scale. Here, things look different depending on the scale. Tim really seems to mean "hierarchy", not fractal.</p>

<p>Of course, one can then take the view that no matter how few people are reached, it's worth doing, just as a contribition to society. If you reach just one person, etc. But, let us say, that is a sermon, not a self-evident truth :-(</p>]]>
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    <published>2004-01-21T10:26:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2004-01-21</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>No, the key factor is that whichever scale a person is at - *it's still blogging*. That's what I mean by fractal. Each scale has different characteristics, sure, *but* we're all doing the same thing - writing, creating, producing on the Web, using the same tools. Our goals, our writing style, etc - these may be different on each scale. But what we're doing is essentially the same, no matter if we're writing to an audience of 10,000 people or 100. A blog is a blog is a blog, to quote one of the 2004 Webbie nomonies.</p>

<p>I can't speak for Sir Tim, but I am 100% sure he does *not* mean hierarchy instead of fractal. He is looking at the Web in a big picture sense, where scale does not equate to hierachy.</p>

<p>Of course, Sir Tim is 100 times smarter than both you or I - so I'd love to read a more detailed explanation from him on this subject.</p>]]>
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    <published>2004-01-21T19:35:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Seth Finkelstein on 2004-01-21</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>That makes about as much sense as saying that no matter if you're writing a letter to a friend, or a Op-Ed for the New York Times, it's still writing - therefore, all writing is fractal.  Writing is writing is writing.</p>

<p>Well, in a sense it's true, but only in a very vague sense. There's also many very obvious senses where writing a letter to a friend is not the same at all as writing an Op-Ed for the New York Times.</p>]]>
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    <published>2004-01-21T23:27:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2004-01-21</title>
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        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>You're twisting my words around and it's not constructive. </p>

<p>I'm talking about *blogging* mate. I don't want to define the thing for you, but see this for a definition. Writing a letter is demonstrably not the same as writing a co-op (only one of them will get published, for a start). So your comparison of that to what I was saying about blogging is puzzling, to say the least.</p>

<p>We could go back and forth like this forever and it's not contributing anything new to my original idea, or progressing it in any way. You certainly have not convinced me that my use of the word "fractal" is wrong, or TBL's use of it either. If someone else wants to have a crack, be my guest...</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2004-01-21</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I meant to say "op-ed", not co-op, before someone calls me on that ;-)</p>]]>
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