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    <published>2004-11-09T05:13:43Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:15:36Z</updated>
    <title>Living Data &amp; The Momentum of Webfeeds</title>
    <summary>It&apos;s about movement of data/content (in time); not places where
data/content resides. A word that I&apos;ve been noticing lately, which I think sums
this up nicely, is momentum. Portability is another word I like: not tied to one
place...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>I'm exploring the Design for Data thread and later in this post I'm going to get arty
on ya'll. I think tomorrow I'll begin to investigate <a
href="http://www.dynamicobjects.com/d2r/archives/002885.html">Atomflow</a>, but for now
let me give you an informal overview of my thoughts so far:&nbsp;</p>

<p>- it's about <i>movement</i> of data/content (in time); not <i>places</i> where
data/content resides. A word that I've been <a
href="http://ideas.readwriteweb.com/archives/002406.php">noticing</a> <a
href="http://ideas.readwriteweb.com/archives/002408.php">lately</a>, which I think sums
this up nicely, is <b><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Momentum">momentum</a></b>. Portability is another word I like: not tied to one
place.</p>

<p>- <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/002402.php">Design for Data</a> is about the <i>user</i> being in control of their <a href="http://blog.contentious.com/archives/2004/05/04/part-11-why-do-i-say-webfeed-rather-than-rss">webfeeds </a>(RSS and
Atom). Whereas the reality circa 2004 is that it's still mostly the <i>content producer</i> that
has control over feeds.</p>
<p>Think about it - blogging is currently more people-centric than
topic-centric, because you're subscribing to a person and you generally can't filter out
the content that you <i>don't</i> want to read from that person. What if you, the user,
could aggregate feeds from people but only view the topics you want, or automatically
filter content according to your tastes? This is something developers are <a
href="http://www.rolandtanglao.com/archives/2004/11/06/information_overload_bloggercon_iii">
beginning to explore now</a> and it's basically all about giving control of data/content
back to the user.</p>

<p>- Design for Data is about <b>DYI websites</b> for the users. If you can aggregate
your own content from a variety of sources, then does that mean a complete overhaul of
what a "website" is? <a
href="http://www.digital-web.com/features/evolution_corporate_sites.shtml">Traditionally</a>
a website is a "place", but increasingly it's about taking bits of content from movable
webfeeds and making your own "place" to consume them. You and I have RSS Aggregators and
our weblogs for this purpose, but Yahoo! <a
href="http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/002899.html">sees this</a> as <a
href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/002291.php">an opportunity</a> to be 'the
place' where <i>ordinary people</i> aggregate their content. And they're going to mix in
music and other multimedia too.</p>

<p>- It's all about <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/001806.php">Information
Flow</a>. And it's going to affect a lot of content creation industries.</p>

<p>- And it's also about Rip, Mix n' Burn. Re-using content is going to be where a lot of
current "consumers" find their value in the webfeed system. Whether it be <a
href="http://webjay.org">music</a>, <a
href="http://archive.scripting.com/2004/10/29#shouldWeDoThisTheOldfashionedWay">podcasts</a>,
other audio, multimedia, or just plain old text - it's all there to be re-mixed (putting
the painful legal stuff aside for now!).</p>

<p>- <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/001697.php">Web of Ideas</a>. That's a
phrase I've long been attracted to and Design for Data is bringing us closer. As <a
href="http://www.bokardo.com/">Joshua Porter</a> <a
href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/002402.php#000564">commented</a> recently:
"The more we rip content away from visual style and present it in different contexts, the
more we get closer to pure ideas. That is the goal, isn't it?" Indeed! p.s. I must read
<a href="http://novaspivack.typepad.com/">Nova Spivack's</a> <a
href="http://changethis.com/7.PhysicsOfIdeas/download">The Physics of Ideas</a> - that's
sort of what Joshua and I have been rapping about (found via The Grandmaster Flash of
Meme Rapping, <a href="http://marc.blogs.it/archives/2004/11/the_physics_of.html">Marc
Canter</a>).</p>
<p>Visual design is a package for our data/content, but we want to make it
easier for users to get at the kernels of truth via webfeeds!</p>

<p>There's much more, but I'm still exploring... now for an artsy-fartsy segue.</p>

<h2>The red shed</h2>

<p>I was feeling a bit down today. Being so far away from all the <a
href="http://www.bloggercon.org/">conferences</a> and other Web events makes me feel
sorry for myself sometimes. Which is why I can't understand all these <a
href="http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2004/11/03/the_mourning_after.html">disaffected
US liberals</a> who want to move to New Zealand - are you crazy? Webfeeds and ideas may
be free to roam about the world, but the <i>people</i> who matter in the Web industry are
still by and large in one place: <b>America</b>. You can't get anywhere in this world
without F2F with your peers.</p>
<p>Anyways, at lunchtime I walked over to <a
href="http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/">Te Papa</a>, the national museum of New Zealand, to
draw some inspiration from an exhibition of New Zealand artists (<a
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ricmac/sets/34113/">some pxts here</a>).</p>

<p><img class="reviewsimage" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/toss.jpg"
width="250" height="247" alt="The red shed" border="0" />This one painting, by Toss
Woollaston, caught my eye because <i>in a way</i> it expressed what I'm thinking about with Design for Data. Here's the blurb which accompanied it:</p>

<p>"This orchard near Nelson was where Woollaston worked during the early 1940s. His
landscapes are more a response to his surroundings than a literal depiction of them. He
said he wanted to 'invent new strategies for reproducing not nature, but the emotions
felt before nature.'"</p>

<p>I'm not sure if there is a connection... however one phrase <a href="http://www.paulsdeptford.org.uk/artdraw/images/gallery2.html">I read later</a> that was
applied to this kind of painting (a form of expressionism I think, but I'm no art
historian) is 'living paint'. There's a fusion between the oil paint and nature - and so the paint becomes
'alive'.</p>

<p>So too data (words, music, whatever is your preferred format) becomes 'alive' in webfeeds, in the sense that it moves, interacts with the world and is malleable...and produces ideas. So I think what I mean when I talk about Design for Data is 'living data'. Webfeeds (RSS
and Atom primarily) are making content come alive to us.</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Adrian McEwen on 2004-11-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Adrian McEwen</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think I'm starting to get a handle on what you're talking about... definitely finding the journey interesting regardless :-)</p>

<p>And if I can play devil's advocate for a minute, before you cede defeat to America for taking the world forwards ;-)  If necessity is the mother of invention then maybe that will force those of us who don't have access to conferences and other F2F interactions to really work out how to use the Internet for collaboration and sharing ideas.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Justin Martenstein on 2004-11-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Justin Martenstein</name>
        <uri>http://www.livejournal.com/users/jmartenstein</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'm not sure if it's in the same direction you're going with this, but you might want to try a google search on informational physics. You should come across a whole bunch of Ben Bederson's work on Zooming User Interfaces at the University of Maryland.</p>

<p>My interpretation of the "Web of Ideas" is that any set of memes is really just a semantic network (del.icio.us is sort of trending in this direction). So we really need a browser that does a better job of visualizing that raw network map. Something that just shows the core ideas ripped out of each post, interconnected. Something zoomable, sort of like TheBrain or TouchGraph, but a little more freeflowing. I've just never sat down to actually sketch out the idea in any sort of code, though.</p>]]>
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    <published>2004-11-09T11:54:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2004-11-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Good point Adrian :-) Blogs are certainly helping me socialise with my Web industry peers far more than I would have the opportunity or inclination to do otherwise.</p>

<p>Justin, thanks for those pointers. I will put zoomable browsers on my list to investigate.</p>]]>
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    <published>2004-11-09T19:12:53Z</published>
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