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    <published>2005-06-25T21:31:06Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:15:45Z</updated>
    <title>Microsoft Embraces and Extends RSS</title>
    <summary>There has been a lot of coverage already about Microsoft&apos;s RSS in Longhorn announcements, so my aim here is to distil it and get to the essence of it. I&apos;m doing this for my own benefit really, but hopefully my notes help others grok it too. The obvious place to start is Robert Scoble&apos;s blog...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p>There has been a lot of coverage already about Microsoft's <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/longhorn/understanding/rss/default.aspx">RSS in Longhorn</a> announcements, so my aim here is to distil it and get to the essence of it. I'm doing this for my own benefit really, but hopefully my notes help others grok it too.</p>

<p>The obvious place to start is <a
href="http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2005/06/24.html#a10464">Robert Scoble's blog</a>
(Microsoft's most famous blogger). But I also recommend <a
href="http://blogs.msdn.com/alexbarn/archive/2005/06/24/432326.aspx">Alex Barnett's coverage</a>.</p>

<h2>Announcement</h2>

<p>The <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/06/24/432390.aspx">Microsoft
Internet Explorer Blog</a> announced the news. The key points:</p>

<p>- "deep platform support for RSS" is being built into Longhorn (the next version of
Windows).</p>

<p>- they are are targeting both users and developers<br />
a) users: "make it easy for users to discover, view and subscribe to RSS feeds"<br />
b) developers: "make it simple for developers to incorporate the rich capabilities of RSS
into their applications"</p>

<p>- An RSS Aggregator/Reader will be integrated into Longhorn: "you&rsquo;ll be able to
subscribe to an RSS feed as easily as adding a favorite".</p>

<p>- one of the goals is to enable developers to create non-blog applications for RSS (this
is very significant). An example: "an IT worker can subscribe to sales data that notifies
them via a line-of-business application when new deals have been closed."</p>

<p>- Microsoft also announced "enhancements to RSS, which we call the Simple List
Extensions". It will enable users to publish, for example, "photo albums, music playlists
and Top 10 lists as RSS feeds".</p>

<p>- Further, they made "the specification for these extensions available under the Creative
Commons license, the same license under which the RSS 2.0 specification was
released."</p>

<h2>RSS in Longhorn details</h2>

<p>More details are to be found <a
href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/longhorn/understanding/rss/default.aspx">on this page</a>
in the MSDN network. Developers should <a
href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/longhorn/understanding/rss/rsslonghorn/">carefully read
this page</a> in particular.&nbsp;</p>

<p>The <a href="http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=80533">video that Robert
Scoble did</a> with the "Longhorn, Browsing and RSS team" (nee the IE Team) is
illuminating and it includes a demo for those of us who couldn't make it to <a
href="http://www.gnomedex.com/">Gnomedex</a>.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Key quotes from the video by Dean Hachamovitch, GM for this team:&nbsp;<br />
- "RSS is many things"&nbsp;<br />
- this is about "how RSS moves out of blogs and becomes much broader."&nbsp;<br />
- "RSS everywhere... every application"&nbsp;<br />
- "The power of subscribe..."&nbsp;<br />
- "casting" for all the file types: "where's the calendar-casting, powerpoint-casting"
etc -&gt; i.e. enclosures are much more than podcasting (mp3 files)<br />
- "we're betting big on RSS"<br />
- talk about "an RSS platform" to "RSS-enable everything"... "RSS is too good to be in
just browsers and aggregators".<br />
- what MS is doing with RSS extensions is "very complimentary" to what Dave Winer is
doing (hierarchical lists with OPML)<br />
- emphasis (again) on "RSS everywhere" - "we mean <i>everywhere</i>!" (leads to talk
about Dean's orange RSS shoes - funny)</p>

<p>Then the team showed Internet Explorer in Longhorn in action. Key points:<br />
- there's a highlighted orange RSS button (and note it does say "RSS" and not "XML", as I
do on my blog incidentally) in the top browser bar. This is automatically present
whenever the browser picks up an RSS feed on a webpage.<br />
- when clicked, the RSS button brings up a browser-friendly version of the feed (like
Feedburner does for my feed)<br />
- has a search function<br />
- big "plus button" for subscribing<br />
- same metaphor for subscribing as adding an HTML page to a user's Favorites in IE --&gt; term
used was "common feed list"</p>

<h2>Other Views</h2>

<p>- <a href="http://www.microsoftmonitor.com/archives/008952.html">Jupiter's Microsoft
Monitor Research</a> on how it'll affect the competition: "The risk I see for competitors
is simple: RSS is fairly portable today. By integrating capabilities into Windows,
Microsoft could decrease that portability in favor of Windows."</p>

<p>- and partners: "The benefit to Microsoft partners is mixed, but mostly good [...]
Exactly what market would there be for third-party products if Microsoft makes RSS a part
of Windows?"</p>

<p>- how serious are MS?: "My expectation: RSS will be a major or <i>the</i> major
feature of the Longhorn shell." [RM: whoa!]</p>

<p>- <a href="http://www.microsoftmonitor.com/archives/008955.html">more from
Jupiter</a>: "it&rsquo;s reasonable to suspect that Microsoft sees in RSS a new user
interface for accessing Internet content."</p>

<p>- <a href="http://www.microsoftmonitor.com/archives/008956.html">Jupiter's
conclusion</a>: "Microsoft is better off embracing, extending and extinguishing RSS as a
competitive threat." [RM: that's what I call not mincing words!]</p>

<p>- <a href="http://www.micropersuasion.com/2005/06/microsoft_embra.html">Steve
Rubel</a>: "My optimistic view here though is that they will get it right and keep it
open for everyone and that today we witnessed a milestone day in the history of the
Internet."</p>

<p>- <a
href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2005/tc20050624_4923_tc024.htm">BusinessWeek</a>:
"[Jupiter Analyst Michael Gartenberg] estimates that about 10% of U.S. Web surfers use
RSS readers, software designed to view feeds from Web sites. "This is the type of thing
that will bring it into the mainstream," Gartenberg says."</p>

<p>- <a href="http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/7276">Eric Freeman, O'ReillyNet</a>:
"what Microsoft has done is essentially build an RSS aggregator into the OS and expose
API's that any application can make use of to produce or consume RSS."</p>

<p>More updates later... I'm continuing to absorb this news. My initial impression is
that this is indeed very big - possibly even Microsoft acknowledging that <b>RSS is to
Web 2.0 what HTML was to the Web in the 90's</b>. Which is to say, this is Microsoft
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace_and_extend">embracing and extending</a> RSS like they did <a
href="http://digital-web.com/articles/the_evolution_of_corporate_web_sites/">with HTML 10
years ago</a>. I'll leave the question open, for now, as to whether they'll be as ruthless in this strategy as they were in Web 1.0. More from me later...</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Andrew on 2005-06-27</title>
    <author>
        <name>Andrew</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>And there's nothing in the Simple List Extensions that isn't already in RDF if people would actually use RDF.</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-06-27T19:22:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Andrew on 2005-06-27</title>
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        <name>Andrew</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The more content, the tougher to organize. The richer the content, the richer the toughness to organize. The more meta-data, the more possible ways to organize.</p>

<p>The more transparent, the easier to abuse. In UNIX, everything is a file. It is a useful abstraction, but we've all grown out of that.</p>

<p>If everything is XML - it is a useful abstraction, but we'll all grow out of that. If everyting is RSS, it is a useful abstraction, but we'll all grow out of that.</p>

<p>Apple had a technology called "Publish and Subscribe" that was implemented great but never quite caught on. Portals, active desktop, whatever, all - not only is it an issue of making it easy to subscribe to the content, but also of making the content easy to find, organize, and utilize.</p>

<p>As a content company, MS can not be expected to play fair in terms of allowing people to easily get to whatever content they want. In the same way that, as an application vendor, MS as an OS company did not play fair in terms of allowing people to easily get whatever application they wanted. How did they "not play fair"? (Yes, I might be stretching the use of that phrase quite a bit.) The initial default.</p>

<p>So many people will use something just because it comes with the machine/OS. If MS adopts RSS heavily, it means that everyone and more will have to worry about coding around any bugs in their RSS parser. It means that whatever feeds are included by default will automatically be assured high traffic by default. I wouldn't put it past them to make the retrival and rendering of feeds that they don't control to be a slight bit slower.</p>

<p>The semanticization is, IMHO, the key difference between RSS/XML/Atom and HTML. This is why, arguably, things have gotten more complex: in the old days, one HTML file might be formatted perfectly. Now-a-days, one needs an XHTML file, and usually a CSS file, and probably a javascript file, and for the feed readers a feed file. There are hacks to get them all into less files, but they're just hacks. This is complication. Semanticization necessarily breeds complication. Semanticization is key to machine comprehension which is the basis for Web 2.0.</p>

<p>And complication yields organization problems. For the most part, the consequence will be technology that develops at a rate faster than technology adoption, because semanticization facilitates technology development but not technology adoption. The only ones that can push technology adoption at will on their own are those with really large audiences, and so while MS may have a semanticized core, the technologies that will be laden atop them will be MS-specific and given great market push by MS.</p>

<p>I don't see anything changing. They've just figured out where on the middlewhere chain they can jump to to fight the next platform war.</p>

<p>Sorry, just a little rant here. Feel free to disregard. That's enough of this break for me, back to work.</p>]]>
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    <published>2005-06-27T19:20:05Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ben Barren on 2005-06-26</title>
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        <name>Ben Barren</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Rich - its definitely big news. Just went for a ride and listened to the podcast of MS, Dave Winer and Adam Curry before the pipes to Australia and the guys sites got too clogged !</p>

<p>Actually Currys pitch has just come up my Shuffle again and I think I will listen again - better than Steve Jobs speach as word perfect (MS joke) as it was.</p>

<p>So yeah anyway - lets chat this week - here's what i blogged thanks for the plug : htp://benbarren.blogspot.com - Ill call this week ?</p>

<p>Just listened to the Microsoft RSS podcast from Gnomedex and Adam Curry closing speech both of which Iíd highly recommend.</p>

<p>Hereís a direct quote from Brad Chase, once of Microsoft at the launch of IE4 back in the day (at Gnomedex they were previewing IE 7)</p>

<p>Active Desktop was a pre-cursor to RSS - or a previous attempt at ëpushí media : The difference today is the focus on consumers being able to ísubscribeí to their favourite sites, who themselves will ensure their site is formatted in the right RSS (or Microsoft ?) format to ensure subscription can occur seamlessly. Active Channels had a handful of ëprofessionalí content sites (to quote Steve Jobs on ëprofessionalí podcasters)</p>

<p>Curry made an impassioned plea to let consumers ëget their media backí and also pushed that all industry players should be pushing for one click subscription. Iíd recommend his talk over Steve Jobs ëStay Foolish Stay Hungryí any day - His ëevery user is a developer, and every developer is a userí is on the money at this juncture of RSS.</p>

<p>From Brad Chase @ IE4 launch many years ago : Microsoft is focused on ìa newer way of getting information, some people call it push, we call it sometimes Webcasting. Itís the ability to have Web sites delivered to you. So not only do we think primarily people want to browse, but we also believe thereís a set of people that want content to come to them. I know that I travel a lot, for example. And so itís really convenient for me to be able to take a set of sites, download them onto my notebook and browse them right on the plane, even though Iím not connected.î</p>

<p>Bill Gates said at the same launch ìCertainly, we believe weíve made a lot of progress in the browser space. One thing we feel is that with this product, Internet Explorer 4.0, during its lifetime, we will go to over 50 percent market share of browser users. So IE 4 is a major event. Dynamic HTML, active channels, the mail client weíve got here, the advances in Net Meeting, all of those are based on the feedback from the people who are out there using the Web in very interesting ways.î</p>

<p>Itís almost Ten Years on ! Who will have the last laugh ? and where is Rupert ?</p>

<p><a href="http://benbarren.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://benbarren.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://benbarren.blogspot.com</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2005-06-27T02:35:52Z</published>
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