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    <published>2006-05-22T12:05:46Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:16:05Z</updated>
    <title>Coming to terms with Web 2.0</title>
    <summary>You know when Gartner and IBM pontificate on Web 2.0, that we&apos;ve reached a point where the term has become generally acceptable - mainstream even. Well-known research firm Gartner has drunk the kool aid: &quot;While Web 2.0 offers many new opportunities for companies to grow their business, few enterprises realize how to implement the full...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p>You know when Gartner and IBM pontificate on Web 2.0, that we've reached a point where
the term has become generally acceptable - mainstream even. Well-known research firm
Gartner has <a
href="http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?Feed=BW&amp;Date=20060516&amp;ID=5725083">
drunk the kool aid</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
<p>"While Web 2.0 offers many new opportunities for companies to grow their business, few
enterprises realize how to implement the full range of capabilities to succeed. By 2008,
the majority of Global 1000 companies will quickly adopt several technology-related
aspects of Web 2.0, but will be slow to adopt the aspects of Web 2.0 that have a social
dimension, and the result will be a slow impact on business, according to Gartner,
Inc."</p>
</blockquote>

<p>...and David Boloker, CTO of IBM&rsquo;s emerging internet technology software group,
is also <a
href="http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/0/CD1AE2E4ACABCFEBCC25717300101C90?OpenDocument">
bullish on Web 2.0</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
<p>&ldquo;Web 2.0 is a new class of affordable apps [that] are becoming do-able,
delivering instantaneous value such as mash-ups and programmable web,&rdquo; says
Boloker. &ldquo;Web 2.0 is comprised of everything from Ajax to social software, for
example blogs and wikis; to a focus on simplicity, to microformats.&rdquo;</p>
</blockquote>

<p>I even have a personal example of how Web 2.0 has gone mainstream. I was at a New
Zealand government strategy workgroup today and the term 'Web 2.0' was used profusely
(and appropriately, I might add).</p>

<p>Now -- I've had an interesting and also bumpy ride with the term. I was the first
blogger to focus on Web 2.0, starting back in 2004 soon after O'Reilly Media coined it. Indeed you could say that my blog has <i>always</i> been about Web 2.0 (read/write
web, two-way web, etc). During 2005 my blog became very popular because of its focus on
Web 2.0. My blog was <i>the resource</i> for Web 2.0, because I was one of the only blogs at that time writing about it. This was back in the days when Mike Arrington of Techcrunch fame
kidded me about how many RSS subscribers I had - and that he'd some day overtake me.
Which of course he did, I think starting from the moment I stepped into the Techcrunch
ranch in Atherton in October 2005 :-) Now of course Techcrunch is number 1 amongst not
only web 2.0 blogs, but arguably tech blogs in general - and deservedly so IMO.
Techcrunch has simply become a must-read resource. Susan Mernit accurately described
Techcrunch recently as the leading daily covering web 2.0 and startup land.</p>

<p>So what has happened to Read/WriteWeb? Well I've still been growing at a decent clip
and I've gotten a lot of work via my blog. I've nothing to complain about
reputation-wise. But in terms of Web 2.0, quite simply I got engulfed by the hype. You
know that popular tech cliche: let a thousand flowers bloom? Well that describes Web 2.0
definitions by the end of 2005 - thousands of definitions "bloomed" in the second half of
2005, with the help of a lot of fertilizer from hypesters and naysayers alike.</p>

<p>Then on 18 December 2005 I made the infamous declaration that <a
href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/web_20_is_dead.php">"Web 2.0 is dead.
R.I.P."</a>. Ever wish you hadn't pressed the 'publish' button? Well that was one of
those times for me. Boy did that post cause some ructions. I tried to explain myself more
coherently in <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/web_20_is_dead.php">a
follow-up post</a> - that defining Web 2.0 had become too distracting and I just wanted
to focus on the the technologies and products. But no amount of explanation could get
around that sensationalistic header I used.</p>

<p>So what's 2006 brought? Believe it or not, I think it's brought acceptance of the term
'Web 2.0'. That's actually caught me by surprise - I got it wrong. Web 2.0 hasn't died,
it's actually morphed into a mainstream term that Gartner and IBM use. I still think it
means everything -- and nothing -- at the same time. But in a weird way this has meant
Web 2.0 has become the kind of umbrella term and catch-phrase that <i>people identify
with</i>. From the 100 or so new and varied definitions of Web 2.0 you read every week
(increasingly from mainstream media), to Dion Hinchcliffe's relentless pursuit of
defining Web 2.0 for the enterprise, to VCs using the term to connote 'the period after
dot com', to TechCrunch profiling the products of Web 2.0 and itself becoming a Web 2.0
success story, to Microsoft adopting Web 2.0 but re-naming it to The Live Web, to Yahoo
continuing to put theory into practice and not naming it anything, to Google just doing
it's own thing and being damn successful, to Valleywag rising up and creating a hilarious
snark blog about the current boom (well, it'll be hilarious up to the point I get linked
to), to 'old school' techs like Marc Canter and Dave Winer thriving in this new era, to
Gen Y kids creating multi-million dollar businesses like YouTube and Facebook, yada
yada.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

<p>And now Gartner and IBM 'get it'. Get what? Web 2.0 of course. But what does it mean?
Everything and anything you want. You mean the architecture of participation? Sure I do.
What about Ajax? Yeh, why not. What about Flash then? I guess... Does Web 2.0 mean social
networking? You betcha. APIs? Dude... Collective intelligence? Of course. Perpetual
betas? Now you're talking...</p>

<p>Look: Web 2.0 is made of people (heh).</p>

<p>So I've come to terms with Web 2.0. Well I had to, because I sure as heck am not going
to let Gartner and IBM get all the credit! :-)</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from michael arrington on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>michael arrington</name>
        <uri>http://www.techcrunch.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>this is so awesome.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-22T12:21:59Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Easton Ellsworth on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Easton Ellsworth</name>
        <uri>http://www.businessblogwire.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>"Everything and nothing" - I love it!  Thanks Richard - you've started off my work week right.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-22T13:24:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ross Mayfield on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ross Mayfield</name>
        <uri>http://ross.typepad.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Made of people.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2006-05-22T13:41:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Danny Kim on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Danny Kim</name>
        <uri>http://twlog.net</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hey, Richard. Great to see your post!</p>

<p>For a long time I, too, have thought about dropping the name "web 2.0" on my blog myself, but the term totally caught up in Korea, too. So I decided to leave it there. I mean, I could've brought the ontological argument about the meaning of the concept of "2.0" for anyone I had to argue with, but in the end, I simply couldn't find a single term that can represent this huge tectonic shift as cleary as "web 2.0".</p>

<p>Welcome back, there :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-22T14:26:23Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4858-comment:37397</id>
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    <title>Comment from Meryn on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Meryn</name>
        <uri>http://meryn.wordpress.com/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Just a thought: Maybe 'web 2.0' is like 'democracy' or 'freedom'. Everyone has differtent definitions for those also, yet people care about them strongly.</p>

<p>The intersection of different definitions can be hard to find. Maybe some ideals are best to remain fuzzy.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2006-05-22T14:50:56Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4858-comment:37398</id>
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    <title>Comment from Meryn on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Meryn</name>
        <uri>http://meryn.wordpress.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think web-born people have never felt to 'own' the Web, like they feel to own 'web 2.0', to be part of it. Web 2.0 is about people actually wanting to be part of the web, support it, not only use it and consume it. That needed a new term, because almost noone can say they have helped build 'the web'.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2006-05-22T14:55:48Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4858-comment:37399</id>
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    <title>Comment from Markus on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Markus</name>
        <uri>http://www.plentyoffish.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as web 2.0....</p>

<p>If we look at google a few years ago they had a dance every month and radical changes would happen in rankings,  this was like releasing a new version of software.  These days google works by constantly releasing changes and you can't really tell when something new has taken effect.    The web is much like that these days,  its the eternal beta/changes being made to sites.   The sites that need social aspects/ajax will evolve to use them at a fast pace, but many sites will simply stick with what they have as it works just fine.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-22T19:37:02Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
        <uri>http://readwriteweb.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>But Markus, Gartner and IBM say there is a Web 2.0. So it must be so.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2006-05-22T20:14:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Meryn on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Meryn</name>
        <uri>http://meryn.wordpress.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Markus, I think 2.0 should not be thought of as a second version, but more as a second era. And maybe that era will consists of eternal betas. The notion that an application is never finished suits the web paradigm quite well.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-22T21:35:02Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mike Riversdale on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mike Riversdale</name>
        <uri>http://chch-changes.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I agree whole heartedly with both the words and the sentiment. I can see the phrase "Web 2.0" going the way of "EIS" and even "BI", into the history books, something like this:<br />
* taken on by the biggies (Gartner/IBM have started)<br />
* used by marketting depts to promote their solutions with tacked on RSS<br />
* organisations/corporates clammer for the latetst<br />
* discover it's not the panacea to all<br />
* the phrase becomes "old" and slightly "stale" and so "2007/8"<br />
* by then a new phrase will have been used by t"hose that know" (that's you, me and all your wonderful subscribers)<br />
* back to the top of this list</p>

<p>The key is to invent the new phrase and be known as the "Father of " - my take is "Social "</p>

<p>(ooh, I am such a cynic ...)</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-22T22:28:08Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Murray on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Murray</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>No! "Soylent Green is people!" <br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-23T02:32:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dennis Howlett on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dennis Howlett</name>
        <uri>http://www.accmanpro.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Gartner: 'but will be slow to adopt the aspects of Web 2.0 that have a social dimension, and the result will be a slow impact on business' so...accepts the term but throws a bucket of cold water over the social aspects - sounds about right.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-23T03:12:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from RBA on 2006-05-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>RBA</name>
        <uri>http://www.cotrack.com/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Well but of course the term "web 2.0" will end up seen as an old overused term (some are feeling that already anyways). We can't be praising we're living in "web 2.0" age for the next 20 years. We can only hope that 20 years from now the term "web" - and the web itself - is a thing of the past, and a newer, better technology is in place to do the things that just can't be done in the web (2.0 or 6.0) today.</p>

<p><br />
What I'm feeling a bit tired is to hear yet one more definition of what web 2.0 means. I mean, if you're talking to non early-adopters that's fine, but when people's preaching to the choir - as it usually happens - sometimes I feel like saying "ok, enough already, we all get it" :-)</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-23T06:15:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Andrew on 2006-05-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>Andrew</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'm reading the Pragmatic Ajax book this week, and it has a good take on things: in the very near future, we won't see this Ajax or Web 2.0 stuff as new or special or difficult, but just "the way the web works." I think that date's arriving a lot sooner than we thought it would back in 2005.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-24T19:26:52Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Brian Solis on 2006-05-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Brian Solis</name>
        <uri>http://briansolis.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is a great post.  Thought your quotes on Crunchnotes are perfect.  Web 2.0 has a life of its own now and the masses are unfortunately associating it with the social impact and of course the public is loving the hype.  I fear that this will have an interesting effect on funding, acquisitions, and ugh, the stock market.  Anxious for the new line up of "realworld" Web 2.1.1 applications and solutions...</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-25T13:40:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ivan Pope on 2006-05-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ivan Pope</name>
        <uri>http://blog.snipperoo.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Well, you better learn to unlove it sharpish, because Mr O'Reilly now claims to own all of it <a href="http://www.tomrafteryit.net/oreilly-trademarks-web-20-" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.tomrafteryit.net/oreilly-trademarks-web-20-" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomrafteryit.net/oreilly-trademarks-web-20-</a></a><br />
and-sets-lawyers-on-itcork/</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-25T20:13:10Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Lenkov on 2006-05-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Lenkov</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>

<p>I expect Web 2.0 (just because as you say it means "everything and anything you want") to start branching in Web 2.0 for SMB, Web 2.0 for consumer, Web 2.0 for enterprise, etc. At this point I expect to see better classification of what that means and eventually the web 2.0 acronym will drop (sorry Tim) and will become just business as usual, based on some of the web 2.0 concepts.</p>

<p>And hey -- at this point you can be the king of media-related Web 2.0 (or whatever will be the buzz-word for that then).</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-05-26T02:30:55Z</published>
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