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  <title>Comments for Cease and Desist defining Web 2.0</title>
  
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    <published>2006-06-04T07:35:12Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:16:05Z</updated>
    <title>Cease and Desist defining Web 2.0</title>
    <summary>Jeff Clavier and Paul Kedrosky note that the chmod 777 definition of &apos;web 2.0&apos; is coming back into fashion. As Jeff nicely put it: &quot;Web 2.0 = chmod 777 web For those (non-geeks) who don‚Äôt get the reference, chmod is the Unix command allowing you to change the access control of a file or a...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://blog.softtechvc.com/2006/06/web_20_for_the_.html">Jeff Clavier</a> and <a href="http://paul.kedrosky.com/archives/2006/06/02/chmod_777_web.html">Paul Kedrosky</a> note that the chmod 777 definition of 'web 2.0' is coming back into fashion. As Jeff nicely put it:</p>

<blockquote><p>"<strong>Web 2.0 = chmod 777 web</strong></p>
<p>For those (non-geeks) who don‚Äôt
get the reference, chmod is the Unix command allowing you to change the access
control of a file or a folder, and 777 means that everyone can
read/write/execute your file or read/write/traverse a folder. I.e the <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/">Read/Write
Web</a> (no Richard, no cease and desist please)."</p></blockquote>

<p>The chmod 777 meme got picked up recently <a href="http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/06/01/Web-20-Writable">by Tim Bray</a>, who pointed to IBMer <a href="http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/jasnell?entry=chmod_777_web">James Snell's definition</a> a year ago. Incidentally, I was secretly thrilled to discover that Tim Bray likes my blog - always cool when your tech heroes acknowledge you :-) [<strong>Update</strong>: I neglected to mentioned that it was <a href="http://www.monkchips.com/">James Governor</a> who brought up my name to Tim - thanks James!]</p>

<p>So getting back to chmod 777. It <i>is</i> an incredibly geeky definition. Also of course the whole 'defining web 2.0' thing is very much played out - I'll start issuing Cease and Desist letters soon to blogs that continue to do it :-) Even <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com">Mike Arrington</a> has stopped using his 'Tracking Web 2.0' tagline and <a href="http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/05/10/episode-7-live-pbs-recording-on-web-20/">he thinks</a> the 'Web as OS' theme is the next phase. I agree, because 'Web as platform' has always been my staple definition of... you know what. </p>

<p>But there is something nice about this chmod 777 definition of what's going on in the current era of the Web. Laurent Denoue emailed me about it, saying:</p>

<blockquote><p>"each number maps to an entity:<br />
- the first number maps to your permissions<br />
- the second to the group permission<br />
- the third to everyone's else</p>

<p>Each number is the decimal representation of the binary: RWX<br />
R=Read<br />
W=Write<br />
X=eXecute</p>

<p>So if you want to set full rights (read, write and execute) for a given entity, you use 111 <=> 7</p>

<p>in the end, using 777 means that you, your group and everyone else has full rights.</p>

<p>I think that the power of chmod 777 web is that it's not only readable (e.g. CNN), and writable (e.g. blogs), but also executable: you can actually do stuff (e.g. writerly, etc.)."</p></blockquote>

<p>In any case, I don't really care what it's called these days. It's all about the evolution of the Web, when it comes down to it. My inspiration when I started R/WW was Dave Winer's <a href="http://www.xmlrpc.com/bootstrappingTheTwoWayWeb">Two-Way Web theory</a> and of course Tim Berners-Lee, who as far as I know was the first to use the term 'read/write web' - but I haven't been able to confirm that. Anyone got a link to TBL using that term? Perhaps he just used the 'read/write' bit. Either way it'd be hard to credit anyone else but him for coining it, because right from the start TBL always wanted the Web to be read/write. FWIW this was <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_readwrite_w.php">my first post</a> on the topic.</p>]]>
      
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    <title>Comment from Gabe on 2006-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Gabe</name>
        <uri>http://techmeme.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Right on time, chmod777web.com was snatched yesterday!</p>

<p><a href="http://whois.domaintools.com/chmod777web.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://whois.domaintools.com/chmod777web.com" rel="nofollow">http://whois.domaintools.com/chmod777web.com</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-04T08:06:01Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4869-comment:37470</id>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2006-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
        <uri>http://readwriteweb.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Heh, I imagine the marketing people would have a tough time with that one. 'The chmod 777 Conference' doesn't quite have the same appeal...</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-04T11:49:43Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Danny on 2006-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Danny</name>
        <uri>http://dannyayers.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Yep, James Snell's definition is wonderful. </p>

<p>There's a load of timbl's old notes under <a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/" rel="nofollow">DesignIssues</a>, but I'd be surprised if you'd find "read/write web" anywhere, because writability was a core feature of the design - ever heard of a "read/write notebook"? As Bob Wyman <a href="http://bobwyman.pubsub.com/main/2005/12/memex_the_first.html" rel="nofollow">points out</a>, the amazing things is that this was forgotten.  (Even by <a href="http://www.scripting.com/2000/06.html#worldOutline" rel="nofollow">certain people</a> that should really have known better...)</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-04T12:32:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Gomer on 2006-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Gomer</name>
        <uri>http://www.interwebmarketing.net/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Brilliant stuff, thanks!</p>

<p>'chmod 777 web' tell us exacltly what Web 2.0 applications need to allow for. They need to be readable, writable and executable by all.</p>

<p>These permissions enable 'harnessing collective intelligence' or O'Reilly's latest definition of Web 2.0.</p>

<p><a href="http://glinden.blogspot.com/2006/05/tim-oreilly-and-defining-web-20.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://glinden.blogspot.com/2006/05/tim-oreilly-and-defining-web-20.html" rel="nofollow">http://glinden.blogspot.com/2006/05/tim-oreilly-and-defining-web-20.html</a></a></p>

<p>Web 2.0 - A movement in the evolution of the web where applications became readable, writable and executable by all which allowed for the harnessing of collective intelligence.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-04T16:34:59Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard Cunningham on 2006-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard Cunningham</name>
        <uri>http://www.blendery.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Does this mean you're renaming your blog to <br />
Read/Write/ExecuteWeb ? ;)</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-04T22:15:22Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4869-comment:37474</id>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2006-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
        <uri>http://readwriteweb.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard C, the answer is an emphatic NO!!! :-)</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-04T22:49:51Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4869-comment:37475</id>
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    <title>Comment from Danny on 2006-06-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>Danny</name>
        <uri>http://dannyayers.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Great new blog name Richard!</p>

<p>Looks like the links got stripped from my previous comment -</p>

<p>Design Issues:<br />
<a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/</a></a></p>

<p>Bob Wyman:<br />
<a href="http://bobwyman.pubsub.com/main/2005/12/memex_the_first.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://bobwyman.pubsub.com/main/2005/12/memex_the_first.html" rel="nofollow">http://bobwyman.pubsub.com/main/2005/12/memex_the_first.html</a></a></p>

<p>should have know better:<br />
<a href="http://www.scripting.com/2000/06.html#worldOutline" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.scripting.com/2000/06.html#worldOutline" rel="nofollow">http://www.scripting.com/2000/06.html#worldOutline</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-05T07:39:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from alharris on 2006-06-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>alharris</name>
        <uri>http://www.knownet.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately chmod 777 cannot be used as a tag in del.icio.us, which kinda ruins it for me, chuckle.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-05T10:01:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2006-06-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
        <uri>http://readwriteweb.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Sorry Danny, my comments system is not optimal right now. My MT set-up can't handle the spam comments (i.e. doesn't junk them automatically), hence the moderation. But as long as I'm moderating comments, I may as well add the ability to put links in them. Doing that now...</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-05T10:27:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Kevin Burton on 2006-06-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kevin Burton</name>
        <uri>http://tailrank.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>That should be:</p>

<p>chmod 777 /dev/web2</p>

<p>In  non-VC speak :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-05T17:02:09Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4869-comment:37479</id>
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    <title>Comment from Danny on 2006-06-06</title>
    <author>
        <name>Danny</name>
        <uri>http://dannyayers.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks Richard. I must admit the red links are growing on me :-)</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-06T08:03:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Chris Black on 2006-06-06</title>
    <author>
        <name>Chris Black</name>
        <uri>http://www.2wopoint.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This will change the way we view the web forever!<br />
Ok, maybe not, but it does seem like an appropriate term in many ways-much more specific than "Web 2. whatever we're calling it this week" .</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-06T17:50:56Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4869-comment:37481</id>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2006-06-06</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
        <uri>http://readwriteweb.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I should note that I'm not advocating using chmod 777 as the *new* Web 2.0 killer term. :-)</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-06T20:31:33Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Matt Fausey on 2006-06-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Matt Fausey</name>
        <uri>http://www.tagtooga.com/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Call it what you want, but Web 2.0 is primarily about changing the Web from "Page-to-Page Browsing" to "Online Applications".  It's about replacing the BACK button with an UNDO button.  It may be chmod 777, but it doesn't have to be...</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-07T20:27:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from kevin leversee on 2006-06-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>kevin leversee</name>
        <uri>http://www.stopweb2.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The problem with web2 is that its not well defined. Having a nice easy-to-remember term like "Web2.0" is not in itself a bad thing...but now its so over blown...Stop Web 2.0. Stop it. We already have an internet</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-06-23T03:28:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from NetTrader on 2006-07-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>NetTrader</name>
        <uri>http://kiaonline.info</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>"chmod" - does not work in win64 :(</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-07-23T20:24:09Z</published>
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