<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" 
      xmlns:thr="http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0">
  <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/discussion_webified_apps.php" />
  <link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/atom.xml" />
  <id>tag:,2008:/1/tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4997-</id>
  <updated>2008-09-24T12:24:03Z</updated>
  <title>Comments for Discussion: Webified Desktop Apps</title>
  
  <generator uri="http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/">Movable Type 4.1</generator>
  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4997</id>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/discussion_webified_apps.php" />
    <link rel="service.edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-atom.cgi/weblog/blog_id=1/entry_id=4997" title="Discussion: Webified Desktop Apps" />
    <published>2006-09-07T23:33:54Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:16:16Z</updated>
    <title>Discussion: Webified Desktop Apps</title>
    <summary>Already there&apos;s some great discussion happening regarding Ebrahim Ezzy&apos;s post on Read/WriteWeb entitled Webified Desktop Apps vs Browser-based Apps. As I noted in the intro to that post, in some ways Ebrahim&apos;s views contradict my own. I&apos;m a big fan of the concept of the browser as a &apos;lowest common denominator&apos; platform for the Web....</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
    </author>
    
    <category term="Web Theory" />
    
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.readwriteweb.com/">
      <![CDATA[<p>Already there's some great discussion happening regarding Ebrahim Ezzy's post on
Read/WriteWeb entitled <a
href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/webified_desktop_apps_vs_browser_apps.php">Webified
Desktop Apps vs Browser-based Apps</a>. As I noted in the intro to that post, in some ways Ebrahim's
views contradict my own.</p>

<p>I'm a big fan of the concept of the browser as a 'lowest common denominator' platform
for the Web. And there is a lot of innovation happening in the browser space right now -
Flock, Opera, Firefox and even IE7 is doing its bit to keep up (although we're still
waiting for some truly original knock-yer-socks-off features from IE7). So I like to
think there is plenty more innovation to come in the browser - and imho the WebOS players
are one of the more interesting set of startups using the browser as a platform. I also
like the technology being delivered by Personalized Start Pages and associated widgets
(Pageflakes, Netvibes, et al) and Web Office contenders (Zoho, Zimbra, ThinkFree, et
al).</p>

<p>Having said that, I do recognize that the browser has its limitations and that Ajax
isn't the be all and end all of interactive technology. <a
href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/times_reader_screenshots.php">My profile</a>
of the upcoming NY Times Reader showed some of the possibilities of a web-enabled desktop
app (or a webified desktop app, to use Ebrahim's term). Times Reader has rich
functionality, courtesy of Microsoft's Windows Presentation Foundation technology - but
it also relies on the Web to get the NY Times content and to communicate with other
people (email a story, for example).</p>

<p>Other discussion on Ebrahim's post:</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Stewart/?p=104">Ryan Stewart</a>: "The best RIAs
provide a layer of abstraction over both the web and the desktop. The Webified desktop
application, as Ebrahim uses the term, implies installation, which is an old, antiquated
model for software delivery."</li>

<li><a href="http://www.fewagainstmany.com/web/web-based-or-not/">Tim Bart</a>: "I
personally prefer Desktop application over web-based applications, but I appreciate being
able to access to my data from anywhere, and get it synchronised over multiple
applications."</li>

<li><a href="http://www.web2journal.com/read/224934.htm">Alex Iskold calls it</a> the
"webification" of the desktop and mentions desktop widgets as an example. He notes:
"There is no reason why our desktop applications can not be web-aware. An improvement in
this area would drive up our productivity, because switching back and forth between the
application and the browser is very inefficient."</li>

<li><a
href="http://buzzsort.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/on-desktop-webification-and-web-desktopification/">
BuzzSort</a> is firmly in favor of webified desktop apps and dislikes webtops: "It is a great technological
trick taking this platform we have within the web browser, one that is restricted in such
a tight way, and make it attempt to mirror your computer desktop. It is however a step
backwards to a thin client way of working."</li>

<li><a href="http://www.emresokullu.com/" rel="nofollow">Emre Sokullu</a> is <a
href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/webified_desktop_apps_vs_browser_apps.php#comment-4723">
in favor</a> of browser-based apps, "except web based operating systems". He says
something that I always point out too: "Connectivitity should not be seen as a drawback
because the world is getting more and more connected everyday."</li>

<li><a href="http://thegreateric.wordpress.com/">Eric</a> also <a
href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/webified_desktop_apps_vs_browser_apps.php#comment-4729">
prefers</a> web apps: "Web applications have a number of advantages not easily duplicated
by desktop applications; sharing, collaboration, platform agnosticism, stability, low
risk of data loss, accessibility."</li>
<li>John Milan <a href="http://intelligantt.blogspot.com/2006/08/web-applications-or-desktop.html">does the numbers</a> on desktop vs browser apps for email.</li>
</ul>

<p>There are <a
href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/webified_desktop_apps_vs_browser_apps.php">other
great comments to Ebrahim's post</a> and I encourage you to leave your comment there too.
Perhaps the biggest point to make is that it's not either/or, despite the headline I
wrote for the previous post! There is a place for both webified desktop apps and
browser-based apps. Indeed the browser is basically just a desktop app at its most
generic.</p> 
<p>The biggest advantage the browser still has though is its ubiquity on computers
- and we'll continue to need common Web platforms, that utilize web standards, for quite
some time yet.</p>
<p><b>UPDATE:</b> We've <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/poll_desktop_browser_apps.php">published a poll</a>, for you to tell us which type of app you prefer - desktop or browser-based.</p>]]>
      
    </content>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4997-comment:38775</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4997" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/discussion_webified_apps.php"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/discussion_webified_apps.php#c38775" />
    <title>Comment from Emre Sokullu on 2006-09-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Emre Sokullu</name>
        <uri>http://www.emresokullu.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.emresokullu.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>Yes, IMO, the future of operating systems will be more like ByzantineOS. A lightweight Linux distro that does nothing but establishing the web connection and opening the web browser. ByzantineOS is apparently a dead project but their outdated window manager is worth seeing. It's a completely Mozilla/XUL based one.</p>

<p>IMO, the web based operating systems will exist but won't be used by the mainstream. Javascript itself is evolving and improving. Why would anybody care to create her new web app on top of APIs created by one of these webos startups instead of standart Javascript. What will be the motivation?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2006-09-08T02:34:39Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4997-comment:38776</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.4997" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/discussion_webified_apps.php"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/discussion_webified_apps.php#c38776" />
    <title>Comment from Chris Saad on 2006-09-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>Chris Saad</name>
        <uri>http://www.touchstonelive.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.touchstonelive.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I am loving the convo over there. Here is a manual trackback!</p>

<p><a href="http://www.touchstonelive.com/blog/2006/09/web-as-platform-with-touchstone-alerts.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.touchstonelive.com/blog/2006/09/web-as-platform-with-touchstone-alerts.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.touchstonelive.com/blog/2006/09/web-as-platform-with-touchstone-alerts.html</a></a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2006-09-10T11:49:36Z</published>
  </entry>

</feed>