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    <published>2006-11-14T21:26:50Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:16:30Z</updated>
    <title>The Road to the Semantic Web</title>
    <summary> Written by Alex Iskold and edited by Richard MacManus. John Markoff&apos;s recent article in NY Times has generated an interesting discussion about Web 3.0 being the long-promised Semantic Web. For instance, a short post on Fred Wilson&apos;s blog had a lot of lengthy comments attempting to define Web 1.0, Web 2.0 and Web 3.0....</summary>
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      <name>Alex Iskold</name>
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<em>Written by <a href="http://www.adaptiveblue.com">Alex Iskold</a> and edited by Richard MacManus.</em>
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<p>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/12/business/12web.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1163394000&en=a34a6306f48166fb&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin">John Markoff's recent article in NY Times</a>
has generated an interesting discussion about Web 3.0 being the long-promised Semantic Web. For instance,
a <a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2006/11/web_30_is_the_s.html">short post</a> on Fred Wilson's blog had a lot of
lengthy comments attempting to define Web 1.0, Web 2.0 and Web 3.0. Some people think that the Semantic Web is
about AI, some claim that it is more about semantics, while others say that it is about data annotation.
All agree however, that we will all be wonderfully more productive and simply happier when it arrives.
Lets take a look at the ingredients, definitions and approaches to the Semantic Web so that we can recognize
it when it is finally here.
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<strong>What is the Semantic Web?</strong>
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The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_web">Wikipedia defines</a> the Semantic Web as <strong>a
project that intends to create a universal medium for information exchange by putting
documents with computer-processable meaning (semantics) on the World Wide Web</strong>. The core idea
is to create the meta data describing the data, which will enable computers to process the meaning of
things. Once computers are equipped with semantics, they will be capable of solving complex semantical
optimization problems. For example, as John Markoff describes in his article, a computer will be able
to instantly return relevant search results if you tell it to find a vacation on a 3K budget.
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In order for computers to be able to solve problems like this one, the information on the web needs
to be annotated with descriptions and relationships. Basic examples of semantics consist of categorizing
an object and its attributes. For example, books fall into a Books category where each object has
attributes such as the author, the number of pages and the publication date. The basic example of a
relationship comes from various social networks that we are part of.
In one network the relationship might be <em>a friend of</em>, in another <em>a family member</em>
and in another <em>works with</em>.
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<strong>RDF, OWL and the mathematical approach to annotation</strong>
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<p>
There are billions of fairly unstructured HTML pages which contain no annotations and meta data. The fundamental
engineering question is how can we go from today's unstructured web to one rich with semantical information?
W3C consortium authored specs for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework">RDF (Resource Description Framework)</a>
and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Ontology_Language">OWL (Web Ontology Languages)</a> attempt to enable the collective capture and description of information, along with the ontology and the relationships with other pieces of information, in a
rigorous, mathematical way.
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RDF is an XML-based language which enables description of relationships via predicates.
The Wikipedia explains: <em>The subject denotes the resource, and the predicate
denotes traits or aspects of the resource and expresses a relationship between the subject and the object.
For example, one way to represent the notion "The sky has the color blue" in RDF is as a triple of specially formatted
strings: a subject denoting "the sky", a predicate denoting "has the color", and an object denoting "blue".</em>
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OWL is another XML-based language used for describing and reasoning ontologies. In a nutshell, OWL facilitates semantic descriptions such as Dog is an animal or Dog has four legs. There are three flavors of OWL: OWL Lite, OWL DL and OWL Full - each flavor capturing a different side of a trade off between expressiveness and computability.
This RDF/OWL framework is comprehensive, but is difficult for people without a background in mathematics and computer science to understand. Given that this is a bottom up approach, it is clear that if it is to succeed, there needs to exist an automated mechanism that takes existing HTML content and turns it into RDF and OWL meta data. This, however, is a chicken-egg problem because if we could already do this, the problem would not be there to begin with. Still we can envision tooling which does 80% of the work automatically and then interacts with the person to complete the other 20% of the work.
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<strong>Microformats</strong>
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<p>
Recognizing the complexity of RDF and OWL, a group of people are trying a different approach called <a href="http://www.microformats.org">Microformats</a>. The goal of microformats is to embed the basic semantics right into HTML pages. It is not as expressive right now as RDF and OWL, but it is very compact and uses available XHTML facilities to add semantics to the pages. For example, there is a microformat for describing contact information called hCard. Using hCard it is possible to annotate the HTML so that a microformat-aware browser or a search engine can deduce the information about a person such as first and last name, a company or a phone number. Another mature microformat called hCalendar enables page authors to describe events. Many popular event sites, such as Facebook and Yahoo! Local use this format to annotate events in their HTML pages.
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Leaving the aesthetics of the representation aside, the microformats approach is clearly simpler than RDF and OWL. And even though it is less powerful, it is becoming very popular. Many site authors are starting to embed microformats into their HTML pages. We are also seeing some early examples of search engines based on microformats, like
<a href="http://kitchen.technorati.com/contact/search/">this one</a> from Technorati. The simple gain in using microformats and doing search is removing ambiguity. In a way, it is similar to the vertical search engine - which knows which vertical you are searching. With microformats inside the pages, the data is also no longer ambiguous, so the search results are more precise.
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Still, there are some issues with microformats. The first one is the same as with the previous bottom up approach - people have to do the work to annotate the pages. The good news is that since the format is simpler, more can be done via reverse engineering and automation. The second issue is that the current set of microformats does not cover many things that we encounter online. For example, we are not aware of a format that would help represent a book or a movie. Many more formats need to be created before they can really "cover" the web.
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<strong>Semantic Web is Personalized Web</strong>
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<p>
The problem of annotating data is very complex and is far from being solved completely. But let‚Äôs leave it aside for a moment and think of what we can be doing once all the data becomes annotated. The promise is that we will be doing less of what we are doing now - namely sifting through piles of irrelevant information. Given that the amount of information is growing exponentially and our tolerance is shrinking, this is a very intriguing proposition. If the computer can return relevant results instantly, we can potentially save a ton of time.
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But having semantics and knowing all relationships between the data is not enough to do that. Take the simple example of a travel agency. When you show up there for the first time, the agent does not know what to offer you, even though she knows the semantics of travel, the relationships between things and the prices of everything. In order to be effective, she needs to know where you've been already and what kind of destinations you like. That‚Äôs why she asks you questions. All services that we receive work this way and the results are better and more refined over time, because service people have time to learn what you like.
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So the second important ingredient of the Semantic Web, the one that will facilitate productivity, is a set of persistent personal preferences. Once the computer knows your preferences and has a semantical representation of it online, it can then run an algorithm to deliver you precise, personalized results. To put it differently, your personal preferences is the filter that needs to be applied to the results that the computer returns in response to: Find a vacation for under 3K. And when this happens, then we can claim that the Semantic Web has arrived.
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<strong>Conclusion</strong>
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So will the 'Web 3.0' be the Semantic Web? Probably. But are we there yet? Not quite. It will take some time to annotate the world's information and then to capture personal information in the right way, to enable the kinds of applications that we have discussed. We are certainly getting close and it will be interesting to see how things unfold over the next few years.</p>

<p>Incidentally, if you would like us to write more about the Semantic Web please let us know and we will do follow up posts.
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    <title>Comment from Emre Sokullu on 2006-11-14</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Semantic Web will obviously make it harder and more expensive to develop new web applications; the development times will get longer and longer unless someone comes up with good ideas to solve these time-loss and inefficiency problems.</p>

<p>This pushes me to think that the way the web industry evolves is very similar to the car industry of late 19th century. Firstly, many engineers entered in that space, they independently created many brands, many "products"; but then as the demands became bigger, the weak (or unlucky) ones disappeared, the market became more competitive and ended up with much more engineers working not independently but under well established roofs.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-15T02:26:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from shadilac on 2006-11-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>shadilac</name>
        <uri>http://www.feedbite.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Web 3.0 will not catch on as quickly as web 2.0 even if it meets these lofty ambitions because it's too difficult to build and requires too much data. A few good developers can sit down a make a decent web 2.0 site in no time. It can start with no data and grow with the community. It is not always dependent on anyone else providing it with relevant data, the users of the site do the work. If the site's concept becomes popular, scale up. That's how web 2.0 became what it is, a bunch of small companies innovating and a few rose to the top, inspiring everyone to continue. That can't happen if you need 3 PHD's and a terabyte of data just to get started.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-15T03:37:56Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.5148-comment:40324</id>
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    <title>Comment from Dr Nic on 2006-11-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dr Nic</name>
        <uri>http://drnicwilliams.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@emre + sadilac - you both summarise "semanticweb" as too difficult to implement and to timeconsuming for users to populate with semantic data. </p>

<p>Blogs, with their RSS/Atom feeds, are an early example of semantic web. Really, blogs are just basic webpages. But the author is given a simple interface to write their blog, the ability to tag each article, and users can comment. The dull word "blog" describes all this, and it provides feeds that contain semantic information, and microformats if the blog app supports it. So, writing to a blog is _easier_ than authoring a basic webpage - all the formatting is taken care of, and you get commenting + feeds for free; plus you get semantic info for free. Not web3.0 level of semantic info, but better than a kick in the teeth.</p>

<p>As for programming for web3.0 being more difficult, then yes it is more difficult, but the tools for web development are so much better than 5-10 yaers ago that it is really not an issue to add a bit of addition markup into HTML templates within your app. The rest of your app will continue working happily (or it should).</p>

<p>The desire for intelligent aggregators (I consider Google an aggregator of all sites) to be able to help users find the information on your site means that you will need to keep adding extra semantic information into your sites. Take 20 minutes to improve your templates and you're done.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-15T09:38:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from old school developer on 2006-11-15</title>
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        <name>old school developer</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Dr Nic,</p>

<p>I agree. Development frameworks like Apache Cocoon (http://cocoon.apache.org/ or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Cocoon)" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Cocoon)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Cocoon)</a></a> make it relatively simple to create all the necessary annotations and relationshps for any web application. Cocoon can generate any ontology/markup language, including OWL.</p>

<p>But then again, one of my first tech jobs was creating DTDs for SGML way back in the big bad '80s, so I've been waiting for the semantic web for a terribly long time ;).</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-15T11:05:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mike Riversdale on 2006-11-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mike Riversdale</name>
        <uri>http://chch-changes.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Yes, I would be most interested in reading your views on the potentials of the symaantic web/microformats.</p>

<p>In partiuclar - d'ya think a "committee" can legistlate this or will it be a series of disjointed but interoperable standards that bring it into reality?</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-15T11:14:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mario on 2006-11-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mario</name>
        <uri>http://www.glorum.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I guess the example query of the vacation on a certain budget with the 11 years old kid is maybe not to be taken too seriously. </p>

<p>1 - that sounds like human intelligence, not algorithms. Is there a demo? I don't know, even something that queries an index of 10,000 pages.</p>

<p>2 - if it already existed, it would be tagged as web 1.0 and it probably wouldn't be anything exciting. </p>

<p>3 - people doesn't seem to understand/care-about/use boolean operators nor advanced queries of any type. What is making a lot of people assume that people will formulate a query like that one?</p>

<p>4 - it's search engine servers, not "a computer" that we are talking about.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-15T12:07:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ben Friedman on 2006-11-15</title>
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        <name>Ben Friedman</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I've read this blog for a long time and this is my first comment. First, i would like to give thumbs up for the <br />
quality and updating the blog frequently with interesting material.</p>

<p>I have 2 points that i would like to make:<br />
1. Regarding web2/3.0 It seems to me that web2.0 is a phase <br />
   in the adoption graph (bell shaped) of the web. when is   <br />
   all    started out (early adopters), not to many people <br />
   used the web due to low availability. This has changed <br />
   with time and as more people joined along, functionality <br />
   changed accordingly. Web2.0 is the name tag for this <br />
   change and its probably not over yet. semantic web will <br />
   be another phase which is due to development of the web <br />
   to fit users needs. this suggests that web3.0 as <br />
   mentioned, wont be but a name tag for a continuing change <br />
   that stems from the same source as the 2.0. The way i <br />
   look at it, the 3.0 stage will come when technologies now <br />
   forming will mature and users will see what they wish to <br />
   accomplish using the web.</p>

<p>2. Regarding the semantic web. i think that the problem at  <br />
   hand is much greater than categorizing the web. Even when  <br />
   when meta data will be available for each HTML page in <br />
   the universe, a monumental task by itself, we must   <br />
   consider the human factor. Different people attach <br />
   different meanings to the same thing. My own association <br />
   for the concept 'close to home' is probably different <br />
   yours. So, even when things will be tagged in satisfying <br />
   manner, it must enable categorizing according to personal <br />
   associations. Such capability must be supported by <br />
   filter enabled search which changes some of the meta data <br />
   definitions to fit the user's own style.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-15T12:18:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Alex Iskold on 2006-11-15</title>
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        <name>Alex Iskold</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Mike R: Yes I do think that committee can be effective in creating standards. Look at Java Community Process for example. It needs to be unbiased, streamlined and iterative, with right people at the table.</p>

<p>Alex</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-15T14:06:43Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2006://1.5148-comment:40330</id>
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    <title>Comment from Wing on 2006-11-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Wing</name>
        <uri>http://tech.wingerz.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, this is one of those places where Wikipedia has the wrong definition. What Wikipedia has as the definition of "Semantic Web" is one vision for what the future may hold if everyone starts adopting Semantic Web technologies.</p>

<p>In reality, the Semantic Web is a set of standards (RDF, RDF-S, OWL, SPARQL, and a few others) that are based around the idea that data should be modeled in a graph structure in which entities and relationships are labeled with unique, resolvable identifiers. The graph data model (RDF) is flexible and the identifiers make it possible to more easily integrate data from different sources. Eventually this may mean that you can execute the travel query above, but a lot has to happen before then. </p>

<p>Even though this is a ways off, there are a lot of benefits of using Semantic Web technologies today. In environments where data schemas change rapidly, using RDF-based storage reduces the headaches of having to bubble changes in the data schema all the way through various layers of logic up to the UI. Having data in RDF and being able to query across one or more sources of RDF data (with SPARQL) is a very powerful idea. Reasoning with the data is also a possibility.</p>

<p>In any case, there are many benefits (and some drawbacks)of adopting Semantic Web technologies; this comment does not do the SW justice. I'd strongly encourage anyone interested to read beyond the Wikipedia article.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-16T05:29:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Wing on 2006-11-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Wing</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Sorry, one last thing: RDF is NOT an XML-based language. RDF-XML is one serialization of RDF, but there are much, much nicer representations (like <a href="http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/" rel="nofollow">Turtle</a>, look at the examples). RDF-XML is not liked by the SW community at all.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-16T05:32:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from P-Air on 2006-11-16</title>
    <author>
        <name>P-Air</name>
        <uri>http://direwolff.wordpress.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Nova Spivack, who is a very big proponent of the Semantic Web wrote a blog post some time back that I think shows the key problem w/it.  Many people continue to talk around this issue including Nova, but the fact remains that until the points raised by Nova's post are resolved, the Semantic Web's uses will be limited.</p>

<p>Here's the link to Nova's post:</p>

<p><a href="http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_spivacks_weblog/2006/08/the_ontology_in.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_spivacks_weblog/2006/08/the_ontology_in.html" rel="nofollow">http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_spivacks_weblog/2006/08/the_ontology_in.html</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-16T16:31:51Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jack on 2006-11-16</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I recently found a very interesting website:<br />
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    <published>2006-11-16T17:09:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from smac on 2006-11-16</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Whenever I get too excited about the semantic web,<br />
 I go back and read Cory Doctorow's article "Metacrap"<br />
<a href="http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm</a></a></a></p>

<p>The basic premise is that people's the metadata that people put on the web depends on their competence (not coding, but metadata generation), motivation, and goals.  Think of a semantic web full of web spam and you get the idea.</p>

<p>It's worth a read.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-17T03:30:20Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ken Taylor on 2006-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I am afraid that the Semantic Web is just a follow-on in the long term death throws of Hard AI.  When will people learn that trying to formulate communication by defining it is not going to work.</p>

<p>The human brain works on pattern matching - it is incredibly able to create, remember and recognise patterns or sets of tags as long as it is able to work in automatic mode.  The confusion arises when we start to think about the patterns we create.  As soon as we start to use cognitive processes to create patterns, as soon as we try to evaluate the tags that we use to describe a communication we become subjective!</p>

<p>What we are good at is categorisation - this is because deciding how to categorise a communication involves weighting the various elements that we recognise in the make up of a communication.  </p>

<p>The ideal basis for social networking is a system that can use human created category tags and add to that by using a statistical engine that can produce objective weighted tags.  That is not far off.</p>

<p>My use of the word 'communication' here refers to any written, spoken transfer of ideas or concepts.</p>

<p>How many decades does it take for people to realise that rules based strategies do not work in the real world.  The real world is just too complex for us to be able to define what we do, think and communicate in a rigid structure.</p>]]>
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    <published>2006-11-24T07:39:34Z</published>
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