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    <published>2007-01-23T10:33:28Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:10:57Z</updated>
    <title>Can Google Take Over The Internet</title>
    <summary>We&apos;re piloting a new feature on Read/WriteWeb, called Point/Counterpoint. It&apos;s where two authors (John Milan and Alex Iskold in this case) argue two sides of an intriguing question. We&apos;d also like you, the reader, to contribute YOUR thoughts in the comments section. Who do you agree with the most - John or Alex - and...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>We're piloting a new feature on Read/WriteWeb, called <b><font style="color: #000000">Point/</font><font style="color: #9B000B">Counterpoint</font></b>.
It's where two authors (John Milan and Alex Iskold in this case) argue two sides
of an intriguing question. We'd also like you, the reader, to contribute YOUR
thoughts in the comments section. Who do you agree with the most - John or
Alex - and why?</p>
<p><b><font style="color: #000000">John Milan:</font> </b>Can Google
take over the internet? By many indications, they have already taken over the
access point: <a href="http://www.enquisite.com/blog/2007/01/02/search-engine-market-shares-december/">search</a>.
Just like stepping on the gas in your car, Google search is making the Internet
go for most of the <a href="http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm">1.1
billion internet users</a> in the world. However, unlike automotive
manufacturers, Google has found a way to get revenue - every time you look at a
billboard on the information superhighway. As such, Google's network effect is
monetizing the world's largest network.</p>
<p><b><font style="color: #9B000B">Alex Iskold:</font></b> Google has
certainly got a huge head start in the search/ad game and there is no challenger
on the horizon. But that does not mean Google can take over and own the entire
Internet. It is no longer the Microsoft/PC era where customers have no choice.
Today's environment is far more agile, allowing customers to be highly
selective and receive different services from different sites. Just because
Google search is great and Gmail is good, does <i><b> not</b></i> mean that people will use
Froogle.</p>
<p>The Web is a huge creative playground and far wider than the PC world, so
Google is <i> not</i> going to be the best in all major market segments.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p><b><font style="color: #000000">John Milan:</font> </b>Yes but
Google's incredible feedback loop is being fed not so much by consumers on the
net, but by businesses pouring dollars into the world's most efficient marketing
machine. Just to underscore how important Google's AdWords system is to business
today, I recently paused my company's Google AdWords program in order to perform
an experiment. As a result, our traffic immediately went down 33%. This tells me
three things:</p>
<p><font class="q">1) Smaller businesses rely on Google to draw traffic to their
products;<br>
2) Traditional media and traditional partner programs are under severe pressure;<br>
3) My experiment won't last very long!</font></p>
<p>I can only assume Google search and AdWords are as <a href="http://www.skrenta.com/2006/12/googles_true_search_market_sha.html">effective</a>
for other businesses.</p>
<p><b><font style="color: #9B000B">Alex Iskold:</font> </b>AdWords is
very strong, but the Retail market is difficult to break into and in <i>that</i>
market Google does not have a big play. The only seemingly realistic entry is
via Froogle and Checkout - where goods from many sites are aggregated onto one
page. But that can never result in the complete user experience like Amazon. So
catching up in the retail space is a difficult exercise.</p>
<p><b><font style="color: #000000">John Milan:</font></b> I think
Google is shooting much higher than retail margins. And unless Microsoft quickly
shows that its Live initiative is in fact <i> alive</i> (where is <a href="http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/110407.asp?source=readwriteweb">Live</a>
in the Microsoft cloud?), businesses
will more and more eschew traditional media for Google's online empire. Just as Windows provided Microsoft with virtually limitless
capital to create applications, Google's search and AdWords cash engine will
create more interesting internet properties for even more users to explore.</p>
<p><b><font style="color: #9B000B">Alex Iskold:</font> </b>I am not
convinced, because the basic UIs of Google have limited application. Google is
known for its ascetic approach to UI and it works well at times, but certainly
not in all cases. For example, a music or movie website needs to be content-rich and have bells and whistles. A lot of people do not like the bare look
of Google and
want more powerful, perhaps even an Apple-like, experience online. Whether or not
Google can deliver such experiences is a big question.</p>
<p><b><font style="color: #000000">John Milan:</font></b> I agree Google's spartan approach is an issue. However, they have done rich
  desktop apps like Google Desktop and Google Talk. There's certainly nothing
  preventing them from creating more rich apps, both on the web and on the desktop.
So can Google take over the Internet? Which is more powerful: 250 million new
  PCs per year running browsers, or 1.1 billion users per day performing
  searches?</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Dedicated hosting on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dedicated hosting</name>
        <uri>http://www.bodhost.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
Well, probably yes but not soon, this is going to prolong for sure and might be a possiblity that may become the only search engines available.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T10:55:03Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3439-comment:28357</id>
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    <title>Comment from Varun on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Varun</name>
        <uri>http://varunmayan.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I don't agree that video/audio sites needs to content rich. Earlier IM also supposed to be an app with rich UI, but see Goggle Talk can work without much bells and whistles. Same will be the case, if google thinks of entering this arena</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T12:59:20Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Terry Jones on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Terry Jones</name>
        <uri>http://jon.es</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Can you tone it down with the black on red and white on black dialog markers? They're brutal and very distracting. What's wrong with</p>

<p><b>John Milan</b> etc?</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T13:46:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Emre Sokullu on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Emre Sokullu</name>
        <uri>http://emresokullu.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I liked this concept, it's good to see the issue broadly.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T13:47:50Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from BillyG on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I touched on this right before Halloween:</p>

<p><a href="http://billy-girlardo.com/Google/2006/10/25/is-this-firsthand-experience-of-google-taking-over-the-internet/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://billy-girlardo.com/Google/2006/10/25/is-this-firsthand-experience-of-google-taking-over-the-internet/" rel="nofollow">http://billy-girlardo.com/Google/2006/10/25/is-this-firsthand-experience-of-google-taking-over-the-internet/</a></a> </p>

<p>It's already happening and there is no turning back now IMO.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T14:30:39Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3439-comment:28361</id>
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    <title>Comment from John Wesley on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>John Wesley</name>
        <uri>http://www.pickthebrain.com/blog</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We're in trouble when Google merges with the Federal Government.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T14:46:53Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3439-comment:28362</id>
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    <title>Comment from John Milan on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>John Milan</name>
        <uri>http://intelligantt.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Funny you should bring up the federal government. I have a feeling Google might get a chance to meet them in the same way Microsoft has spent quality time with them the last few years.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T14:53:29Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Hashim on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Hashim</name>
        <uri>http://www.hiphop-blogs.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.hiphop-blogs.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>"Just because Google search is great and Gmail is good, does not mean that people will use Froogle"</p>

<p>Search is so important that Google doesn't need people to use Froogle. Instead, Froogle and the other ancillary businesses Google is in feeds people back to their search engine.</p>

<p>Think of search as the operating system for the web. Every site on the web needs to optimize itself for Google, or it will fail. That's a huge deal. And that's why, in my mind, Google already owns the web.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T15:29:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Wil Schroter on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Wil Schroter</name>
        <uri>http://wil.gobignetwork.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I can't believe how everyone is so blinded by Google's success to overlook how easily they can be toppled.  I wrote a long explanation a while back the I re-posted to my blog here -</p>

<p><a href="http://www.gobignetwork.com/wil/2007/1/23/why-google-will-fail/10090/view.aspx" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.gobignetwork.com/wil/2007/1/23/why-google-will-fail/10090/view.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.gobignetwork.com/wil/2007/1/23/why-google-will-fail/10090/view.aspx</a></a></p>

<p>The short version<br />
- switching costs are "zero"<br />
- adwords bids are out of control (we need cheaper $)<br />
- they don't "own" my life in any way</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T16:01:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Luke Gunderson on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Luke Gunderson</name>
        <uri>http://www.techmoosh.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Luke: I am liking the Point/Counterpoint set up.</p>

<p>Luke: No, you're loving it!</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T18:01:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from franticindustries on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>franticindustries</name>
        <uri>http://franticindustries.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Google is working very hard to beat the zero switching cost. It's already not zero - Google is not only an access to search; they also hold your mails, your news reader, your documents, your ads. It's already hard to switch, it will get even harder.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T18:39:43Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from ipanema on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>ipanema</name>
        <uri>http://irishcornwall.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Well, they both have good points but I believe that Google is strong. Domination? Perhaps, in the long run, IF there's another Google-like entity.</p>

<p>@#6: They've engaged in China, why not homeland? Possible. It also shows there's a growing concern on the free flow information to be controlled? </p>

<p>My two-cents.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T19:08:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Charles on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Charles</name>
        <uri>http://www.surfarama.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>You gotta think way beyond the browser to fully debate this question...</p>

<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_001510.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_001510.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_001510.html</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T20:16:39Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Wil Schroter on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Wil Schroter</name>
        <uri>http://wil.gobignetwork.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think people conveniently ignore the fact that the whole reason Google won the search business was because the switching costs of going from previous searches was zero.</p>

<p>The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.  </p>

<p>I'm consistently amazed at how many tech veterans don't seem to realize the volatile and short-lived positions of number one companies.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-23T22:12:28Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Charles Knight on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Charles Knight</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I gave a presentation last night, and the Question for the evening was: "Can Google be Defeated"?  We then spent the next hour looking at example after example of how existing Search Engines are superior to Google in their respective niches.</p>

<p>Ms. Dewey (www.msdewey.com) is a (lot) more interesting User Interface than Google's home page (www.google.com).</p>

<p>ChaCha (www.chacha.com) answers real questions with an experienced Guide - for Free; Google's Answers didn't work.</p>

<p>TheFind.com (www.thefind.com) is a superior shopping experience compared to Froogle's (and many others).</p>

<p>Quintura (www.quintura.com) and KartOO (www.kartoo.com) are 2-D cluster Search Engines; Google still provides its results in a (very) long LIST. The World Wide Web is, of course, a 3-D globe; nothing could be more misleading or difficult to navigate than a 1-D list!</p>

<p>Like (www.like.com) is a true visual Search Engine, but Google's Image Search is actually just text-keywords matched to text-tags.  Then try the Mobot (www.mobot.com)Demo!!  I have rarely seen anything like it.</p>

<p>Reommendation Engines like Music Map (www.music-map.com) and Live Plasma (www.liveplasma.com) do a better job than Google's "similar pages".  Google really just helps you find what you're already looking for.</p>

<p>Take the Slifter (www.slifter.com) Mobile Demo for a ride, and then try Google's Mobile Search Engine.  See the difference?</p>

<p>Google searches, well, Google!  There are too many MetaCrawlers to list here, but the new one to watch is GoshMe (www.goshme.com).  GoshMe claims to not just search a huge numer of Web pages - it searches a huge number of Search Engines - each one of which is searching a huge number of web pages!  You do the math.</p>

<p>Google is silent.             At least Speeglebot (http://bot.speegle.co.uk)talks to you, and Nayio (www.nayio.com) listens!</p>

<p>But, good as they may be, aren't these Alternative Search Engines just gnats fying around the Google elephant?  How can they possibly do any harm? Won't Google just ignore them (they certainly seem to be) or, if they do take notice, buy them?</p>

<p>Well, I can't give you all of the answers, can I?</p>

<p>For a list of the Top 100 Alternative Search Engines, just<br />
email your request to Charles@CharlesKnightSEO.com.  Ciao!</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-24T00:30:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Adrian keys on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Adrian keys</name>
        <uri>http://www.jollyjo.org</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Great idea...but when will this discussion end? Are we going to include the Mobile Web? Are we considering ideas such as creating other virtual worlds in the existing virtual world...</p>

<p>They certainly control today's web based on what we know but I guarantee you not tomorrow's web given our limited perpective of what is possible.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-24T01:20:00Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Josh on 2007-01-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Josh</name>
        <uri>http://www.mockriot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that the web is used for other things besides disseminating information (i.e., finding things).  Alex touched on shopping, but perhaps more importantly: communication.  Google lags far behind Yahoo!, MSN, and AOL in the areas of email and instant messaging.  Those are access points to the Internet that are just as important as search and shouldn't be ignored.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-24T04:35:23Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John Kenney on 2007-01-24</title>
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        <name>John Kenney</name>
        <uri>http://www.HomeWorksSourcebook.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
Looking at it from an advertiser perspective, I think Google's search play has an upper bound because of three factors:<br />
-the price issue that Wil Shroter mentioned,<br />
-limited inventory for specific keywords, and<br />
-limited format options.  </p>

<p>In our local sector, prices have climbed as much as 100% for some keywords in the past year.  I've read general studies that say prices are rising on average 40%-60% a year.  Doesn't take long at inflation rates like that before people start looking en masse at alternatives.   </p>

<p>In terms of inventory, google only has 6-8 slots to sell per keyword.  Anything beyond page 1 placement is utterly useless.  In many sectors, there are a lot more than 6-8 people/firms that want visibility.  I think that many firms will seek other venues rather than pay top dollar to capture those few slots.</p>

<p>And lastly there is a big problem with format.  Many firms and products don't show well in 10 words of black and white text.  If the entire universe of advertising was easily and fully represented by small text ads, we wouldn't see companies spending tens or hundreds of thousands on big display advertisements in print or flashy ads on TV.  Point being, advertisers will not continue to settle for this format as they become more versed in interactive marketing and as strong primary source alternatives emerge.</p>

<p>So, bottom line:  I agree with Alex Iskold.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-01-24T13:58:23Z</published>
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