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    <published>2007-02-22T08:25:49Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:11:06Z</updated>
    <title>Songbird - Will Desktop/Web Blends Take Off?</title>
    <summary> digg_url = &apos;http://digg.com/software/Songbird_Will_Desktop_Web_Blends_Take_Off&apos;; Written by Alex Iskold and edited by Richard MacManus Music makes us happy. So happy in fact that we shake, smile and fork off billions of dollars every year on it. So it is not an accident that music is one of the most popular forms of media online. Because the...</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Alex Iskold</name>
      <uri>http://www.adaptiveblue.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><font style="float: right"><script type="text/javascript">
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<script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js"
type="text/javascript"></script></font><em>Written by Alex Iskold and edited by Richard MacManus</em></p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/songbird_logo.png" vspace="5" hspace="5"
align="left" />Music makes us happy. So happy in fact that we
shake, smile and fork off billions of dollars every year on it. So it is not an accident that
music is one of the most popular forms of media online.</p>

<p>Because the music market is large, there is an opportunity for innovation. We have
recently seen a lot of new services such as Last.fm and Pandora jumping into the music
market to compete with iTunes and more traditional music sites. In this post, we will
discuss another newcomer - a mashup between a desktop music player and a web browser
called <a href="http://www.songbirdnest.com">Songbird</a>.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/songbird_trends.png" /></p>

<h2>Songbird at a glance</h2>

<p>Songbird is really just that - a mixture of a music player and the web browser. Built
on top of the open-source <a href="http://www.mozilla.org">Mozilla</a> code base, this
desktop application lets you manage your local music collection, search for new music
online as well as instantly play any music on blogs and web sites.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/songbird_feb071.jpg" /></p>

<p>You maybe thinking: So what? Why mix a music player and a web browser? We already have
great applications that play music and let us browse the web. While this is true, we
think there are good reasons to mash them up, particularly for music and perhaps for
other things as well. The thing is: Songbird really understands music, understands the
web and understands what people want to do with music on the web.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>For example, the Songbird left pane contains a folder called <em>Music Blogs</em>, which
comes with a few preset blogs. When you select a blog, the content loads in the central
area, just like in the web browser. But in addition, Songbird displays a pane
on the bottom that lists all tracks found on the current page. Below the pane, there are
controls to play the selected song, add it to your playlist or library, download it or
subscribe to the songs on this blog.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/songbird_feb072.png" /></p>
 
<p>So Songbird is bringing semantics, or understanding of music, to the context of the
blog. With the regular browser you would just see the page, but the music-aware browser
is able to create much richer and much more meaningful experience. Even the common
<em>Subscribe</em> action takes on a different meaning - you are asking to subscribe to
new songs that appear on this page.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/songbird_feb073.png" vspace="5"
hspace="5" align="left" />It is becoming more clear that the web is turning into a gigantic
database. We explained this trend in our recent post about <a
href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/yahoo_pipes_web_database.php">Yahoo!
pipes</a>. Songbird is another good example of this growing trend, because it treats the
web as a music database. As shown in the picture on the left, Songbird replaces the
standard search engines with the set of ones specific for music, making the music
searches quicker and more relevant.</p>

<h2>Do desktop/web blends make sense?</h2>

<p>Songbird solves a problem of bringing together our local music libraries and vast
amounts of music online. This clearly makes sense for music, but what about other
sectors. In general, does it make sense to have desktop applications that interact with
the web? Now, just like a <a href="http://alexiskold.wordpress.com/tag/webtop/">year
ago</a>, I think that the answer is <em>yes</em>.</p>

<p>The main reason is that contextual, semantical, specific applications can always
deliver additional value to the end user. The browser cannot have features that satisfy
everyone's specific needs, and this implies the opportunity for a specialized
application. Put it differently, specialized applications give the users another, more
fine grained view of the same information that the web browser presents in a rather generic
way. And <i>that</i> we know is a big business, because the nineties was the decade of Visual Basic
on our desktops doing just that - showing different views of the same data.</p>

<p>However, there are challenges. While having more intelligence in the application about
the data always makes sense, in the case of building web-aware desktop applications there
are challenges. First, the web consists of links and people expect to be able to click.
What value can Songbird add if the user navigates from a music blog to CNN? Probably
none. Worse, because it has a music specific UI, it now takes up real estate on the screen - which just distracts the user.</p>

<h2>Conclusion</h2>

<p>Despite the challenges, we are likely to see more desktop applications tapping into
the web. The amount and quality of the data is just too good to pass up. But these
applications need not to be browsers. In fact, iTunes, has been basically doing this
successfully for many years now. Its first secret: a complete UI that presents a
meaningful view of your music data. The second secret is that links are handled within
the application, so the users never have to switch around.</p>

<p><font style="float: right"><script type="text/javascript">
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<script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js"
type="text/javascript"></script></font>Coming back to Songbird, it seems that it has the potential to become popular. As it
matures, it is likely to create truly a unique view and experience of online music. There
are enough music fans out there to appreciate this sort of thing. What do you think about
Songbird and other desktop applications that interact with online information?</p>]]>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3535-comment:29415</id>
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    <title>Comment from Sataniel on 2007-02-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sataniel</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think Democracy Player is a great app, maybe similar to Songbird (It's about video, though)</p>

<p><a href="http://getdemocracy.org" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://getdemocracy.org" rel="nofollow">http://getdemocracy.org</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-02-22T12:37:42Z</published>
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  <entry>
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    <title>Comment from Basu on 2007-02-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Basu</name>
        <uri>http://xcomputers.wordpress.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Songbird is coming along beautifully, but I really wish Google and Zoho would make a way for their office apps to be used offline with auto-sync once I'm back online.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-02-22T12:55:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Antoine of MMM on 2007-02-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Antoine of MMM</name>
        <uri>http://mobileministrymagazine.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>You know something, I think I heard about this browser/player once before and dismissed it. But as I sit here listening to music from my Treo while working in FF, I would really like something like Songbird. Heck, if it could use FF's plugins and there was some semblance of tabbed browsing/RSS, I'd use it in a heartbeat.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-02-22T14:41:35Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3535-comment:29418</id>
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    <title>Comment from Alex Iskold on 2007-02-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Alex Iskold</name>
        <uri>http://www.adaptiveblue.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Antoine,</p>

<p>Since Songbird is build on Mozilla, it supports extensions. I would anticipate that soon all Firefox extensions will be supported.</p>

<p>Alex</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-02-22T15:21:37Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Rob Lord on 2007-02-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rob Lord</name>
        <uri>http://songbirdnest.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi, this is Rob from Songbird.  </p>

<p>Before I even read your blog entry *PLEASE* note that it's "Songbird" not "SongBird".  </p>

<p>InterCapping is so Web 1.0. ;)</p>

<p>Thx, Rob</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-02-22T17:02:37Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from alex on 2007-02-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>alex</name>
        <uri>http://www.yourminis.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I am not sure about songbird, although there is value as a music service and much less value as a traditional browser.  I do believe that you will see a merger of web and desktop applications.  More and more apps will become web enabled desktop applications - the value being that you can take advantage of the individual processing power of the desktop, get access to the local file system while at the same time leveraging the interactivity, content, collaboration, etc of the web.</p>

<p>There will still be apps that are web browser only apps but I do think you will see a whole new line of desktop enabled web apps.  Apollo from Adobe will be one of the enabling platforms that expedites the evolution of these types of applications.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-02-22T17:56:26Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2007-02-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
        <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Rob, fixed the intercapping - sorry about that.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-02-22T20:19:08Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from kris on 2007-02-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>kris</name>
        <uri>http://www.hear-now-audio-books.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Songbird is coming along beautifully, but I really wish Google and Zoho would make a way for their office apps to be used offline with auto-sync once I'm back online.<br />
Here is one new link, just click on that....<br />
<a href="http://www.hear-now-audio-books.com/list.aspx?catID=152&gen=1" rel="nofollow">Audio Books, Business, Entertainment, History, Health, Music & Humor</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-02-22T20:28:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Vertigo on 2007-02-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>Vertigo</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think it would make more sense to have this sort of functionality in an add-on that would add music-awareness to a vanilla browsing experience.</p>

<p>As you pointed out with Songbird the user would need to switch apps if he wants to navigate to non-music content. With an add-on the extra info would just disappear. Also there could be add-ons for different kinds of content eliminating the need for a seperate app for each.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-02-24T18:01:16Z</published>
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