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    <title>Amazon&apos;s Series of Fortunate Events</title>
    <summary> digg_url = &apos;http://digg.com/programming/Amazon_s_Series_of_Fortunate_Events&apos;; Way back when I was in high school I found myself in a high school science class. It was your typical experience, replete with bunsen burners, saftey goggles and a science teacher named Norbert. But one day Norbert had an inspriation - he let the class watch a video of James...</summary>
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      <name>John Milan</name>
      
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hspace="5" border="0" align="left" width="106" height="80" />Way back when I was in high school I found myself in a high school science
class. It was your typical experience, replete with bunsen burners, saftey
goggles and a science teacher named Norbert. But one day Norbert had an
inspriation - he let the class watch a video of James Burke and his <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(TV_series)">Connections</a>
series, which described all of the happy accidents in technology through the
years, that have brought us where we are today. My favorite accidental
connection was the development of fine mist sprays for perfume bottles. While it
may have helped people smell better, the real combustion happened in your
automobile, where the fine mist sprays became fuel injection nozzles for the
modern gasoline engine.</p>
<p>Like a fine fragrant perfume, Amazon has a revolutionary technology sitting
right under everyone's noses. Their happy accident? Building a reliable,
scalable and robust ecommerce system. While I'm sure Jeff Bezos didn't envision
his online company being compared to perfume sprays, the fact of the matter is,
even after immense technological investment, retail needs a lot of perfume to
make the margins smell nice-- even if you're online.</p>
<p>But in their quest to prove to the world that online retail is the wave of
the future, Amazon has created not just a fine mist. They have unexpectedly
created a vapor cloud - <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/amazon_webos.php">or
internet cloud</a> - that is ready for ignition. Most fortunately for Amazon,
they've been able to build one of the world's most impressive, massively
scalable datacenter systems. Most fortunately for you, they're willing to share
it. And most fortunately for corporate programmers, you're about to be relevant
again.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>The Value of Sharing</h2>
<p>How valuable is a robust, secure, scalable and reliable computing platform
that allows you to store and retrieve any kind of digital data from anywhere in
the world at anytime of the day? While your average high school student doesn't
have much use for one, technology visionaries and corporate titans have been
willing to pay big money to build such platforms. Groove Networks ran through
approximately $120 million of investment in order to build and convince the
world that theirs was robust, secure, scalable and reliable. Microsoft, which
purchased Groove in 2005, is spending upwards of <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoft/2002958192_microsoft28.html">$2
billion</a> in order to do the same thing. Google's entire business model
requires them to reinvest huge amounts of capital into their storage platform.
Throw in Yahoo and Baidu and it's clear that such computing power is seen as a
technological edge.</p>
<p>However a high school student can rent one of the best, most proven, storage
platforms of them all -- for a little less than $.50 per month. If he or she is
willing to lay off the occaissional candy bar, he/she can be on an equal web
infrastructure footing with the richest technology companies in the world. If I
was an investor in MSFT, I might even ask if investing $200 million in Amazon
makes more sense than $2 billion on your own technology and starting from
scratch. In fact, taking it one step further, I might even be worried that
Amazon's examples treat .NET as just another language - <a href="http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/kbcategory.jspa?categoryID=47">alongside
Java, Ruby, PHP, Python and Perl</a>. Another $1.8 billion into .NET and Visual
Studio might take care of that, especially for those prized corporate
programmers.</p>
<h2>So Easy a High Schooler Can Do It</h2>
<p>Like anything worthwhile, it <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/social_business_applications.php">takes
a bit of time</a> to figure out the best way to exploit it. The obvious comes
first: use Amazon's storage capacity and scalability to store data such as
images or globs of backup data. Indeed, a simple scan of Amazon's Simple Storage
Service <a href="http://solutions.amazonwebservices.com/connect/kbcategory.jspa?categoryID=66">solutions</a>
shows many backup, photo sharing and large email attachment services.
Furthermore, most of these services are web-based and so their single greatest
cost is usually bandwidth. Hence Amazon's marketing focus on <a href="http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/2007/02/werner_vogels_amazon_cto_on_st.php?">web
2.0 apps</a> as their clientele. This makes perfect sense, as it fits the world's
current multi-tiered architecture: the simple browser on the client, the
business logic on a web server and now the robust data store on the backend.</p>
<p>Many well known and successful companies are exploiting this today: SmugMug,
37Signals and MyBlogLog to name a few. Would you know it buy using these
services? Probably not, unless you have a keen eye reading the urls flash by as
elements on your web page are downloaded. Does it matter? Not one bit. Each of
these services uses Amazon S3 in order to offload the work of sending images and
documents off their servers and onto Amazon's. As a result, each company can
focus on their distinctiveness and bring it to market as quickly as possible,
without worrying so much about infrastructure. In some cases it's enough to
prove the concept and sell to a large company in <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/mybloglog_acquired_by_yahoo.php">just
a few months</a>.</p>
<h2>The Next Fortunate Event</h2>
<p>In the US there is a saying: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_in_China_(phrase)">&quot;Only
Nixon could go to China.&quot;</a>. While Amazon has positioned itself as a
proven resource for eager online entrepreneurs, they have also (accidentally?)
created a solution that makes the client chic again - actually both the <b>Client</b>
and the <b>Server</b>. Indeed, Amazon's Simple Storage Service takes us back to
the 1980s, resurrects <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client_server">Client/Server</a>
architecture and provides it on such a scale that it actually works.</p>
<p>In the late 1980s, when C/S became a holy grail, it quickly sprang a leak at
the supper table as large deployments grappled with networking protocol
decisions, scaling issues, big capital investments for servers and, of course,
maintenance. Amazon has moved these giant obstacles aside and resurrected
something most thought dead. And this from an online department store!</p>
<p>While Amazon is still very much a consumer site selling anything they can
display on a web page, at some point people will see the light and realize that
a lot of C/S architecture implemented, deployed and wheezing along in
corporations around the world can be refactored with services like Amazon S3. By
providing the ultimate server, Amazon has made it possible for programmers to
build corporate client software that a) actually scales and b) actually cuts
costs - no more corporate servers to procure, house and maintain. A corporate
programmer can create a client that can scale for the entire organization by
using a good GUI tool and something only moderately more complicated than
File.Open. Web application <a href="http://www.onlamp.com/">stacks
of functionality</a> might not look as appealing compared to this new reality.
(Have you noticed that programming stacks have evolved like razor blades? We
started with one, then two blades, then three solved the problem, until four
blades really did the trick, and so on - in fact, aren't servers even called
blades now?)</p>
<p>But while Amazon has provided the fuel, it's still up to the developers to
provide the ignition; and right now we're dealing with sticks. By that I mean
that Amazon isn't offering a database, nor server side scripting, interpreted
languages, web server plugins or anything else to add complexity. Instead, at
its core, is the <b>world's greatest file server</b>.</p>
<h2>Groaning from the Peanut Gallery</h2>
<p>The collective moan you just heard was from everyone who actually lived
through the client/server days rolling their eyes and recalling how difficult it
was to merge everyone's changes into a single file on the server. That was
indeed a huge problem and yes it did lead to C/S being discredited. HOWEVER, the
problem was twofold: 1) tackling multi-user scalability issues for the server
and 2) tackling multi-user data issues for the client. In the 1980s, personal
computing was still in its infancy, and nascent applications struggled to meet
the needs of a single user, much less two.</p>
<p>If we look at the path highly available and scalable servers have travelled
the last twenty years, we see a single machine-- even a really big one-- was
simply inadequate for the task-- it's just too prone to failure. Furthermore,
data needs have exploded past workgroups or departments in a single location--
people across the globe may need access to specific data now. Although it will
take a post in the future to adequately describe how Amazon and others are
building scalable and reliable data services, they do require multiple data
centers located around the world connected by fiber optics, with each data
center housing thousands of redundant systems built for quick switching in case
of any single point of failure. In other words, a far cry from a PC running IBM
OS/2 with an Intel 386 and 32 megs of RAM locked in a closet.</p>
<p>But while the server side of the equation has advanced over the last twenty
years, can the same be said for the client? Or, more specifically, for the data
clients are producing? No. While operating systems are more powerful today and
prettier to look at, the state of application data today is not so different
than it was back in the 1980s-- a stream of data supporting the state of the
application as last saved by a single user. In this day and age, multiple people
need to work in single context to produce a deliverable. Unfortuantely up till
now this has been dealt with using the checkout, checkin, 'hey, you overwrote my
data!' design pattern. The server has improved, now it's time for clients to
respond in kind.</p>
<h2>One More Event Before The Big Bang</h2>
<p>The solution? How client applications read and write data needs to make the
same advancements that server platforms made to make data storage reliable and
delivery scalable. As application's become decoupled from the desktop, they
should also decouple from the notion that a single user updates data at one
time. Does only one person work ever work on a document? Does only one person
ever participate in a project? Only if they wish to remain in the past.</p>
<p>Now that a superserver like Amazon S3 is almost a given (just a <a href="http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=14213&amp;tstart=0">bit
more reliability</a> and maybe <a href="http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa?threadID=14189&amp;tstart=15">one
more feature</a>), applications can pull 'multi-user' files off, perform merge
operations using local computing power and then place the file back in the cloud
with an updated, combined view - ready for the next user to come along. <b>Save
doesn't have to mean 'write out my view of the data only' - it can also mean
'merge my view of the data with the group'.</b> It might sound like a database,
but it's really functionality that all apps working with groups, or in a group
context, should have. The applications themselves will have the knowledge to
merge files they recognize together - an excercise left to the developers of the
next generation of client software.</p>
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<script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js"
type="text/javascript"></script></font>There's a lot of refactoring to do, but this time the benefits are tangible.
Entrepreneurs seem to be <a href="http://scobleizer.com/2007/02/22/its-an-amazon-day/">embracing</a>
Amazon web services, and the next wave can't be far behind. If Amazon manages to
catch that next wave, they could be in for a great ride. And however it works
out, in their quest for the ultimate online department store, Amazon might have
finally solved the server side of the equation in Client/Server architecture. If
they manage to attract the corporate programmers ready to build the next
generation client pieces, then not only would Amazon again enjoy first mover
advantage, but it would be for something worth a lot more than books. Even James
Burke would have been proud of that connection.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from gzino on 2007-03-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Superb post.  I think Amazon one of the most underrated tech companies out there.  Who would have thought an online bookstore would emerge as one of the most innovative tech companies on the planet?  S3 and EC2 extremely high potential as you state.  Also, "little" things like their TiVo partnership that went live today...some very speculative thoughts in blog post linked below on how that could develop:<br />
<a href="http://blog.nextblitz.com/blog/2007/03/amazon_unbox_on.html" rel="nofollow">tip of the iceberg?</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T04:36:08Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from aaron on 2007-03-07</title>
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        <name>aaron</name>
        <uri>http://charisma18.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>well written.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T04:39:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Vu on 2007-03-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Vu</name>
        <uri>http://www.michael20.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Amazon has been the hidden dragon, it's only a matter of time.  Their current stock price is a very enticing opportunity.</p>

<p>Great Post.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T05:35:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Bruce Judson on 2007-03-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Bruce Judson</name>
        <uri>http://www.VenturesWithoutCapital.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is a terrific and important article. Although many skeptics remain, the world is increasingly moving toward a "plug and play" model, as ever more sophisticated services become accessible as low-cost subscription components in a business system.  Entrepreneurs create value by figuring out how to mix and match these different low-cost capabilities to meet the needs of businesses and consumers.</p>

<p>Amazon has clearly recognized this ongoing evolution, and seen a money-making opportunity in helping to foster it. My hat is off to the Company.</p>

<p>When I wrote "Go It Alone: The Secret to Building A Successful Business! (HarperBusiness, Nov. 2004) I described this evolving business model. Now, my new blog Ventures Without Capital (http://www.VenturesWithoutCapital.com) finds the best examples of services that provide sophisticated tools, at low-cost, that enable businesses to grow by focusing on what they do best.  The changes in the level of sophistication of services from the time I wrote the book to today is extraordinary! No doubt the next three years will show even more spectacular developments.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T05:49:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Kimbro Staken on 2007-03-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kimbro Staken</name>
        <uri>http://www.virtualizationdaily.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Amazon is definitely on an interesting track, even more interesting than S3 is their EC2 service. With that service, they're just a couple features away from redefining the way web hosting is handled. This whole "utility computing" concept that Amazon is pushing is something that should be on every software architects radar.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T06:10:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from awesomo on 2007-03-08</title>
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        <name>awesomo</name>
        <uri>http://smart-machines.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>That was one of the best written articles on Amazon that I have ever read. Excellent work!</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T18:46:00Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3572-comment:29925</id>
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    <title>Comment from John Milan on 2007-03-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>John Milan</name>
        <uri>http://intelligantt.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Bruce - I think (and I believe everybody at R/WW believes) we are moving toward a 'best of breed' solution mashup, and services like Amazon's are right in there. This does two things: 1) makes it easier for the smaller players to compete and 2) makes it harder for the bigger players to prevent competition. The next couple years should be fun.</p>

<p>@kimbro - You know, I have to say I'm a little skeptical about 'utility computing'. I'm not an expert in that field by any means, but it just strikes me as odd that the solution is to build this 'processor clouds' when there is so much latent processing available on desktops. It is interesting, but I like the impact of virtual machines on desktops instead of servers. But that's me :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T19:20:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from sewdough on 2007-03-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>sewdough</name>
        <uri>http://www.matchdoctor.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Amazon as the 'little company that could?' I think not.  They have been leaders for awhile. No reason to stop now!</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T19:29:07Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Eric on 2007-03-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Eric</name>
        <uri>http://thegreateric.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Amazon has always been one of the most innovative companies on the net, even moreso than Google. Before adsense they had associates, a9 had a number of features before any other search engine, mechanical turk,"web 2.0" features before there was a web 2.0, and s3 is the kind of thing Google/Microsoft/Yahoo ought to be offering but aren't.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T19:49:59Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from eamonn on 2007-03-08</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I just don't see a mass market opportunity for amazon in this. Hardware is cheap and bandwidth is cheap. Why would any company start off relying on an Amazon's infrastructure when they can build their own and not pay any rental. </p>

<p>This article rehashes the fuzzy logic of the dotcom days. Remember when everyone was saying that the future of entrepreneurship was the virtual business? Where you would just repackage software and services from a number of sources on the internet and resell them. Unless you are adding value then your company has no value. In this case I think you can add value using amazon's infrastructure, but why would you take on a high variable cost base rather than an upfront fixed cost?</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T20:10:28Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from David on 2007-03-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>David</name>
        <uri>http://www.isbnspy.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Great article. I highly suggest programmers get involved in using Amazon web services. The referral compensation is wonderfully well thought out. </p>

<p>In college last year, I created a web service for internet enabled mobile phones that lets users check on a book's price, ratings, and reviews on Amazon.com from their mobile phone browser while they're still in the bookstore.</p>

<p>The service worked so well that I decided to share the service. Try it for free at www.isbnspy.com with your internet-enabled mobile phone. I use my Treo 650 to check on book prices while I'm at the local Borders or Barnes and Noble.</p>

<p>AWS is impressive and secure. I would definitely suggest it to any programmer wanting to get started in web services :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T20:21:43Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3572-comment:29930</id>
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    <title>Comment from John Milan on 2007-03-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>John Milan</name>
        <uri>http://intelligantt.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@sewdough - Leaders for a while? Definitely during the mid to late 1990s, but not in the early 2000s-- which makes what they're doing all the more impressive. Second acts are very tough in business.</p>

<p>@Eric - I totally agree this is the kind of thing GOOG/MSFT/YHOO should be doing-- though I really do think MSFT might be better off investing in Amazon. The inexorable march toward specialization makes implementing everything more and more difficult with each passing year.</p>

<p>When I ask Amazon people about Google, MSFT and YHOO joining the fray, they do tend to get a little quiet. But, if they get critical mass first, they might start talking more.</p>

<p>@eamonn - Hardware is cheap, and so is bandwidth? Maybe for startups, but not for scalable corporate solutions. In fact, with bandwidth, I'm not aware of any fixed costs. I know my bandwidth charges go up every time TeamDirection has a good month.</p>

<p>@David - You are not alone. I think Amazon is hoping you graduate (well.. *I* hope you graduate :) and build a new company with that knowledge. Then at some point, current companies will figure out how all these new companies have a better cost structure than them.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T20:37:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dissonance on 2007-03-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dissonance</name>
        <uri>http://www.gumiyo.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We run our production environment in Amazon's EC2 (which itself uses S3). It's too bad that EC2 is a closed beta because I think coupled with S3, it REALLY provides Web 2.0 startups and the like with a solid, cheap, yet infinitely scalable platform. </p>

<p>Our site, <a href="http://www.gumiyo.com," rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.gumiyo.com," rel="nofollow">http://www.gumiyo.com,</a></a> is but one of a few sites running on Amazon's EC2 platform. Check it out when you get the chance to see what kind of performance you can expect out of Amazon's server hosting solution running alongside their storage solution.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T20:37:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dissonance on 2007-03-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dissonance</name>
        <uri>http://www.gumiyo.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Damned text parser included my comma in the previous post: <a href="http://www.gumiyo.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.gumiyo.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gumiyo.com</a></a></p>

<p>I fail at predicting parser behavior :p</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-08T20:42:00Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3572-comment:29933</id>
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    <title>Comment from Einstein on 2007-03-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Einstein</name>
        <uri>http://anarchy-tv.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>1. S3 can't do the basics of a webserver, like process server side includes.  Not from what I can tell.  In fact, it doesn't look like it can do anything a typical webserver can do, its basically just a clustered distributed version of an ftp server.  Not very useful to a web developer.  </p>

<p>2. EC2 charges 10 cents an hour to run an virtual instance of a OS so you could run a webserver that would do it.  That's highway robbery.  $2.40 a day, thats $70 a month, and that's just to run it. There's still an extra charge per data transfered.  And no gurantee your 'instance' i.e. webserver won't die, or method to restart it.</p>

<p>3.  When they can make a cloud of webservers to behave like this, then call me.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-09T01:13:25Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dissonance on 2007-03-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dissonance</name>
        <uri>http://www.gumiyo.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Einstein</p>

<p>1) S3 is just a storage solution. Your application is responsible for reading and writing to it. You can allow access to the files to be directly accessible via http using REST style web services, but other than that, S3's intention is and never will be to serve as a web server. S3 is useful for a web developer that doesn't want to have to worry about  a persistence layer (e.g. your own video hosting site).</p>

<p>2) "Each instance predictably provides the equivalent of a system with a 1.7Ghz x86 processor, 1.75GB of RAM, 160GB of local disk, and 250Mb/s of network bandwidth." Transfers between outside EC2/S3 are accountable, but transfers between S3-EC2 servers are not. $70 is a paltry sum for this. Think of EC2 as a virtual computer and not just a web server. It can be a web/application/database/file/ldap/mail/whatever you want. For a web developer, you can very easily and quickly start up a cluster of servers. </p>

<p>3) The whole point of EC2 is to configure a base image (or more) installed with whatever software you want and to be able to run as many instances of the server as you wish. We have yet to encounter any instance failures and as long as the instance is running, you can actually reboot the operating system running in the instance (e.g. shutdown -r now). I'm sure EC2 and S3 won't appeal to everyone, but it works great for us and we've saved a ton of money using it.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-09T04:22:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jesse on 2007-03-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jesse</name>
        <uri>http://www.bornontheweb.be</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>great post, thanks.</p>

<p>J</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-09T13:21:52Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from William on 2007-03-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>William</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
Ok, the idea that Amazon has just decided to open up their internal platform for others to use is bunk.  Its one of those fictional creation myths that get  spread around.</p>

<p>Their retail platform does not use either of these technologies.  This is not a "proven platform" thats been around for years... its brand new and its been showing teething pains. </p>

<p>The only thing Amazon already had for these services is datacenters.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-10T18:38:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Randy on 2007-03-19</title>
    <author>
        <name>Randy</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Very articulate and well written.  This is new to me and very interesting.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-03-19T17:17:21Z</published>
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