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    <published>2007-06-26T07:42:08Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:11:44Z</updated>
    <title>Lessons Learnt from People Ready Controversy</title>
    <summary>I know you don&apos;t want to read another blog post about the People Ready controversy, which was ignited by Valleywag on Friday US and turned into an all-in brawl over the weekend. But I feel obligated to sum up my position on it, as one of the 6-7 bloggers at the center of the storm....</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/suntory_whiskey.jpg" align="left"
hspace="5" vspace="5" />I know you don't want to read another blog post about the <a
href="http://www.techmeme.com/070622/p97#a070622p97">People Ready controversy</a>, which
was ignited by Valleywag on Friday US and turned into an all-in brawl over the weekend.
But I feel obligated to sum up my position on it, as one of the 6-7 bloggers at the
center of the storm. <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/people_ready.php">I
initially wrote a post about it</a> Saturday night my time (Friday night US). I defended
the ads, but I asked what R/WW readers thought of the situation - and boy did I certainly
find that out! Many of the comments on that blog post thought the People Ready ad was
wrong; and some people made very convincing arguments. A few people unfortunately
distorted the facts, but even those comments I read with interest and tried to respond. I
am grateful to all the readers who engaged me in conversation on this issue - some people
even followed up with emails. Although my basic position is unchanged and I will continue
to run the ads, I did learn some things along the way and I wouldn't do it
<em>exactly</em> the same next time.</p>

<p>As with the reader feedback, I've also been following the feedback of the other
bloggers involved. Om Malik and Paul Kedrosky both wrote mea culpa posts and pulled the
ads. Fred Wilson defended the ads, as did Mike Arrington. Mike is never one to pull
punches, in fact he has been <a href="http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=411">throwing
plenty</a> on this issue. And I support him on this (even though he might think he is in
this battle alone). Both of us are self-made publishers and blogging is our business -
and in that respect we are different <a
href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2007/06/reminder.html">from Fred</a> and Paul, whose
blogs are more personal.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>The Suntory Whiskey Lesson</h2>

<p>So, the bottom line is that (like Mike and Fred) I have continued to run the People
Ready ads. But given that many R/WW readers said they didn't like the ads, what - if
anything - have I learned from all this? Because although I don't want people telling me
what to do - notably anybody preaching ethics from a high horse, whether it be a
journalist or blogger - I <em>do</em> want to listen to my readers and ensure I have
their support. So, to try and sum it up in one sentence, what would I do differently next
time? <b>I wouldn't use a corporate catchphrase!</b></p>

<p>I stand by my original position that the text I wrote for the Microsoft campaign was a
personal story of how I got into blogging - it was not a product endorsement or even
anything to do with Microsoft at all. And I was not paid for writing it, I was only paid
a CPM for the adverts that ran in our sidebar.</p>

<p>If I did think it had become a product endorsement, or indeed if I didn't believe in
Microsoft's products, then I would definitely stop running the ads. But I don't think it
is a product endorsement at all - you only need to <a
href="http://www.peoplereadybusiness.federatedmedia.net/archives/70">read my text</a> to
see that - and I have nothing against Microsoft products (shocking as some of you might
think that sounds!). However... I did use the advert catchphrase "people ready" in my
text, which in hindsight was a mistake - and lame. Dan Farber, an experienced journalist
who I have a lot of respect for, <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=5481">summed it
up nicely</a> with this Bill Murray pic from one of my favorite films, Lost In
Translation:</p>

<p><img src="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/images/suntory.jpg" /><br />
<em>"Suntory whiskey. It's People Ready!"</em></p>

<p>Point taken! So, now that I've clarified my position on the People Ready ad, what do I
think of the "conversational marketing" label that <a
href="http://www.federatedmedia.net/blog/archives/2007/06/a_follow_up.php">FM Publishing
has coined</a>? Well I am still keen and willing to experiment with new forms of
advertising - after all, blogs are a new form of publishing. But it's also obvious that
this field has kind of a wild west aspect about it now, with some experiments bound to
fail. The People Ready one has ultimately failed (at least for the publishers, probably
not for Microsoft!). But unlike John Battelle, I don't think that "disclosures" are the
answer. Because if there is an advert in the sidebar of a blog then - to my mind - it is
very obvious it is paid for. But there certainly needs to be more care taken by blog
publishers, such as myself, in deciding what to put our names to. In retrospect, using
the term "people ready" in an otherwise from-the-heart text was something I shouldn't
have put my name to. Once again I turn to the wise head of Dan Farber to explain:</p>

<blockquote>
<p>"This situation with the FM/Microsoft campaign is a slippery slope, but that
doesn&rsquo;t mean conversational marketing doesn&rsquo;t have value. There should be
dialog among all constituents, but the &ldquo;people ready&rdquo; campaign is a
manufactured dialog."</p>
</blockquote>

<h2>Summary</h2>

<p>At first I underestimated the issues involved in this, but after a lot of feedback
from R/WW readers and others in the blogosphere, I have learned that the issues are real
and need to be tackled. But there also has to be room for experimentation, because blog
publishing is not the same as traditional journalism. This is a new form of publishing,
which we're making up as we go along.</p>
<p>The other FM publishers who took part in the
campaign are the same - we're all independent publishers, and a few of us are working
extremely hard to build and run a professional publishing business. So we need to keep
taking risks, because that's how you stay a step ahead of the competition. But of course
we must learn from our mistakes. I hope that doesn't come across as too much of an Oprah
moment, or even a Jerry Springer post-show "Take care of yourself, and each other"
takeaway. But I did learn something amid all the brawling and bloodletting. And
conversations are always good :-)</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from paul on 2007-06-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Microsoft should have had a People Ready blog that you could have linked to, that's how you start a conversation.  </p>

<p>Over the past six months Microsoft has been spending huge amounts of money trying to buy new friends while ignoring their old friends.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T10:59:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Rick on 2007-06-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Great reaction. I really appreciate the fact that you've given this such serious thought before taken a position.</p>

<p>Personally, I would like to see the line drawn at writers not being actively involved at all with advertisement for a company/product that falls into the area they're publishing about (I really wouldn't care less if you endorsed a brand of whiskey), but I don't have to make money publishing, so that's easy for me to say.</p>

<p>But again, I appreciate your thoughtful stance on the issue, it assures me as a reader you will continue to be open and careful while experimenting.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T11:51:23Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from scientaestubique on 2007-06-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>scientaestubique</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Microsoft would do better if they explained what it is they're shilling, aside from a catchphrase. I've seen dozens of their ads, still no idea on what they are advertising.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T12:06:03Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Nikhil Kulkarni on 2007-06-26</title>
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        <name>Nikhil Kulkarni</name>
        <uri>http://the-complete-man.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>richard ... the way you put it here:</p>

<p>'...using the term "people ready" in an otherwise from-the-heart text was something I shouldn't have put my name to.' </p>

<p>makes me feel that you too have succumbed to pressure and this is your way of expressing Mea culpa .... But I think you yourself put it better here: </p>

<p>"This is a new form of publishing, which we're making up as we go along."</p>

<p>People are finding these ads wrong because this is the first  time we are seeing this kind of advertising. I think the same ads might look completely unobtrusive a decade later!!</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T12:20:36Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2007-06-26</title>
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        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
        <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Nikhil,</p>

<p>I would prefer to think that I have an open mind about these things and that I can admit I'm wrong, if that is the case. Right now I definitely feel like using a corporate catchphrase was lame (at best). That experiment didn't work, lesson learnt.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T12:41:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Andrew on 2007-06-26</title>
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        <name>Andrew</name>
        <uri>http://changingway.org</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Dan Farber's Lost in Translation reference hits the nail on the head, I think.<br />
Was the people ready campaign "conversational marketing"? Only if the term refers to marketing with a rather unconvincing veneer of conversation.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T13:37:10Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from paul on 2007-06-26</title>
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        <name>paul</name>
        <uri>http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/paul/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>A quick Google for People Ready</p>

<p><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/business/peopleready/overview/default.mspx" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.microsoft.com/business/peopleready/overview/default.mspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/business/peopleready/overview/default.mspx</a></a></p>

<p>In an era where some see technology as a force that promises to make people subservient to highly structured or automated processes, Microsoft sees a better way to unlock the potential of every person. Systems can only create efficiency: It is people who create value.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T14:35:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from NitinK on 2007-06-26</title>
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        <name>NitinK</name>
        <uri>http://blog.softwareabstractions.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard:</p>

<p>I also appreciate the fact that you're giving this serious thought before taking a position. </p>

<p>I really like your approach to this controversy - a calm, thoughtful appraisal of the situation and possible lessons learnt, this is much better than a shoot-from-the-hip-and-cast-invective method!</p>

<p>Admittedly I'm a media-newbie, I still don't understand the main issue here: your quote was pretty benign. Other than using the "catchphrase", it wasn't much of an endorsement, and certainly wasn't pushing any products. Oh, well - I must live and learn!</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T16:04:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from rick gregory on 2007-06-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>"Because if there is an advert in the sidebar of a blog then - to my mind - it is very obvious it is paid for."</p>

<p>This echoes Arrington's initial response and likewise misses the issue. It's not that you're running por-MS content that's piad for it's that you (and others) WROTE the content. While my respect for you has not lessened at all, it opens the question of why you wrote that and allowed it to be used in an ad. Now, here's the thing - I don't see anything wrong with you writing an honest testimonial for someone... but the inclusion of 'people-ready' made it quite obvious that your words (and those of the other bloggers) were artificial to some degree. And we can't easily tell to what degree - did you mean any of it? Or did you sign off on a quote that was written by MS PR? THAT'S the issue, not that we can't tell whether an ad is a paid item or not. </p>

<p>"This is a new form of publishing, which we're making up as we go along."</p>

<p>As Jeff Jarvis has pointed out, simply because blogs are a new media form doesn't mean you have to toss all of the old rules and start from scratch. Some things, like the wall between editorial and sales, are independent of media type. Ethics are not always situational... </p>

<p>Like others above, I think you've dealt with this ina thoughtful and revealing way. Kudos on that. </p>

<p> don't think the problem was that people didn't realize the ad was paid for</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T17:24:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Steve S on 2007-06-26</title>
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        <name>Steve S</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard --</p>

<p>As one of the people who engaged you in an email conversation I have to say that you probably took the most measured approach to this situation.</p>

<p>The conclusions you have drawn seem like the correct ones. If you had said something about starting blogging without the whole "people ready" thing, it would have likely been fine. Just an interesting anecdote from a publisher. </p>

<p>Thank you again for taking the time to hear your readers, this entire thing has only made me a stronger fan of R/WW. It's hard to take a controversy and deal with it with class, and I think you've managed to do just that.</p>

<p>Thanks again and happy blogging.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T17:37:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Joe Clark on 2007-06-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Joe Clark</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>By ‚Äúroom for experimentation,‚Ä?¬†you clearly mean ‚Äúroom for selling out without public outcry or accountability.‚Ä?</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T18:35:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Webomatica on 2007-06-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Webomatica</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>From my perspective as a reader, when I first saw those ads, I didn't know that People Ready was a catchphrase. It could have been a new product like Silverlight or Surface Computing for all I knew. </p>

<p>When I see names attached to it, that's an endorsement of whatever is in the ad.</p>

<p>I see a lot of people on your side thinking readers can't be that naive and caveat emptor - all I can offer is that I don't have time to research every single ad you guys run and figure out if it's a catchphrase or an actual product or if you properly disclosed.</p>

<p>The caveat emptor rule I will now use is any of your blogs that are associated with FM, all the content is effectively an ad.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-26T18:52:56Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jean-Michel Decombe on 2007-06-26</title>
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        <name>Jean-Michel Decombe</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Your new approach makes sense to me.</p>

<p>For those who still fail to see the admittedly unintended endorsement, "People Ready" *is* a product, except not a tangible one at first glance. Microsoft owns both the trademarks and the service marks and nobody else can use them without risking being sued. So saying "I became People Ready when..." is like saying "I switched to the iPod when...".</p>

<p>And it has nothing to do with Microsoft. They do good and bad products like everyone else.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Richard Walden on 2007-06-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard Walden</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It is an endorsement or at least a product shill, pure, plain and simple.  That's not necessarily a bad thing, but the "angels on the head of a pin" rondel grows wearisome.</p>

<p>You make an excellent point that you are a self-made blogger, and rely heavily on advertising for your income.  Well and good, TV anchormen shill for products all the time, and there is nothing inherently wrong with it. UNLESS said anchorman does a story at 6:05 for the product he will shill at the commercial break.</p>

<p>I think the question is whether you really want to be considered a "serious" journalist or not.  If not, marketing-related news and PR are entirely honorable professions (and a damn bit more lucrative than journalism, methinks).</p>

<p>If, however you desire to maintain a reputation (and a deserved one, I think) as a fair and impartial tech journalist, then this is a situation that calls for a clear, bright line.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, lioke most things in life, you just can't have it both ways.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-27T03:21:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2007-06-27</title>
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        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
        <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>thanks all for the comments. rick asked: "but the inclusion of 'people-ready' made it quite obvious that your words (and those of the other bloggers) were artificial to some degree. And we can't easily tell to what degree - did you mean any of it? Or did you sign off on a quote that was written by MS PR? THAT'S the issue, not that we can't tell whether an ad is a paid item or not."</p>

<p>--> RM: I can confirm that the words were all mine (apart from the slogan) and I certainly did mean it all. As I said to Dave Winer when he commented on that point in the previous post, I wrote almost exactly the same thing that I tell people who ask me how I got into blogging (and I get asked that all the time).</p>

<p>Steve, thanks for our email conversation - it was very helpful.</p>

<p>Webomatica, I respect your right to disagree (altho I think your conclusion is over the top), but to repeat the point of this post: the lesson I learned was not to use a catchphrase. Which is what you seem to be upset about.</p>

<p>Richard, I'm still working on that whole 'is blogging journalism' issue. For me, it's not so clear cut. You're not either a journalist or a marketer - nothing is ever that black or white in this world. But it is definitely something I haven't totally figured out yet.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-27T09:12:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Bryan Eisenberg on 2007-06-27</title>
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        <name>Bryan Eisenberg</name>
        <uri>http://www.grokdotcom.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>

<p>I would agree that not all the rules for blogging have been written yet and may not be for several years to come. The one rule though I would maintain as a constant is transparency as far as it can be taken. </p>

<p>It should also be noted that while everybody would love to claim journalism is impartial, we all know we can find the bias in every journalistic media. Bloggers are not just journalists and should be free to express their opinions freely.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-27T12:03:09Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Shannon Holman on 2007-06-27</title>
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        <name>Shannon Holman</name>
        <uri>http://www.ifyouseesomethingsaysomething.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>>>I know you don't want to read another blog post about the People Ready controversy</p>

<p>True, but reading a blog post about evaluating one's behavior and standing by one's position while thoughtfully accepting criticism--that's definitely worth reading about.  Thanks.</p>

<p>As for the line between journalist and marketer--I work in traditional publishing, and think that conversational marketing--a three-way conversation--definitely has value.  Surely we can figure out ways to disclose our allegiances--whether ideological or financial--with more subtle tools than Chinese walls and gag orders.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-06-27T12:03:37Z</published>
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