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  <title>Comments for Auf Wiedersehen, Gmail - Google Loses Court Case in Germany</title>
  
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    <published>2007-07-04T21:20:32Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:11:47Z</updated>
    <title>Auf Wiedersehen, Gmail - Google Loses Court Case in Germany</title>
    <summary>German courts have confirmed that Google&apos;s fight for the G-mail trademark has been lost. 33-year old German businessman Daniel Giersch has won a case against Google, meaning that Google is not permitted to use the &quot;Gmail&quot; name in Germany. Giersch had registered &apos;G-mail&apos; in 2000, four years before Google came out with its web mail...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/gmailflagpw6.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5" align="left" />German courts have confirmed that Google's fight for the G-mail trademark has been lost. 33-year old German businessman Daniel Giersch has <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-04-2007/0004620206&EDATE=">won a case against Google</a>, meaning that Google is not permitted to use the "Gmail" name in Germany. Giersch had registered 'G-mail' in 2000, four years before Google came out with its web mail service of the same name.</p>
<p>This is the second time that Google has had to give up the Gmail name - <a href="http://news.com.com/Google+gives+up+on+Gmail+name+in+U.K./2100-1030_3-5901674.html">two years ago</a> Google handed over the rights to the name in the UK. At that time Google changed the name to <a href="http://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en-GB/googlemail.html">Google Mail</a>, after its run-in with research firm Independent International Investment Research (IIIR) - which used the name G-mail to refer to a part of its financial analytics software.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>Indeed Google is having trouble holding its own in Europe as a whole, in the Gmail battle. Again Giersch is at the center of it, as he also won in Austria and claims to own the name in Spain, Portugal
and Switzerland. Meanwhile <a href="http://www.turbogadgets.com/2007/02/24/gmail-trademark-trouble-in-europe/">in Poland</a>, Google's Gmail adversary is "a polish group of poets".</p>
<p>Back in Germany, Giersch claims he is not cyber-squatting but has actually created a business around the name G-mail. He even <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-04-2007/0004620206&EDATE=">issued a press release</a> comparing himself to German entrepreneurs post-second world war:</p>
<blockquote><p>"...the 33-year-old is putting himself in the
entrepreneurial tradition of the so-called "men of the first hours," who
put Germany on the road to success in the post-war years. Backbone,
innovation and courage are the values that are important for Giersch."</p></blockquote>
<p>Continuing the war motif, Giersch also declares this "a legendary victory" - noting that "for many Daniels fighting "Googliaths," confidence and financial means run out in the long course of battle."</p>
<h2>So what is G-mail, the German version?</h2>
<p><a href="http://www.gmail.de/">Giersch's G-Mail</a> is a "hybrid mail system". He claims it "is an ingenious
blend of innovative and well-tried communications solutions". Well if he can build software as good as he fights court battles, then he's onto a winner.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/gmail_germany.jpg" /></p>
<p>Giersch's press release concludes by saying that that "the confirmed, unambiguous legal situation
is helping Daniel Giersch and his "G-mail" name finally go full steam ahead
and realise their catchy motto: "...und die Post geht richtig ab!" ("...and
the post is really taking off!")"</p>
<p>The court victory will certainly do no harm in promoting G-Mail in Germany.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Dominik Hahn on 2007-07-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dominik Hahn</name>
        <uri>http://mrnase.de</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Man of the first hours? Yeah right... I could say something bad but I'm afraid he could file an action against me. :-P</p>

<p>I, as a German user, will keep my ...@gmail.com address because for Google I'm an American user. ;-)</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-07-04T22:11:13Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Vjiay Teach Me on 2007-07-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Vjiay Teach Me</name>
        <uri>http://teachmetomakemoneyonline.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>2 Knockout for google's GMail, IMO it will not make any difference in the googles empire.</p>

<p>Vijay</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-07-04T23:42:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dominik on 2007-07-04</title>
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        <name>Dominik</name>
        <uri>http://www.lostfocus.de/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Actually most Germans who I talked to about this issue think this guy is a loonie...</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-07-05T05:19:05Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3984-comment:34623</id>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2007-07-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>He does sound a bit odd. I thought the press release was a great read though!</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-07-05T05:26:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Nikita on 2007-07-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>Nikita</name>
        <uri>http://raquo.org</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In Russia we have www.gmail.ru which is also a web mail service (but of course it's sh*t as if it never changed since the 90-s). It was launched somewhere around 2002 (before Google's GMail) so Google has problems there too. I can imagine how much gmail.ru wants for the domain name and trademark if msn.ru was finally sold to Microsoft supposedly (undisclosed) for $1M...</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-07-05T21:48:54Z</published>
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