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    <published>2007-08-20T16:56:52Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:07:52Z</updated>
    <title>Text and Banner Ads on Amazon: Has the World Gone Mad?</title>
    <summary> digg_url = &apos;http://digg.com/tech_news/Text_and_Banner_Ads_on_Amazon_Has_the_World_Gone_Mad&apos;; digg_bgcolor = &apos;#ffffff&apos;; digg_skin = &apos;compact&apos;; I was shopping for a digital camera this weekend and my first stop was naturally Amazon. While browsing pages I noticed the new look and feel: There is even more information on each page, the reviews are displayed in a new way and tags are...</summary>
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      <name>Alex Iskold</name>
      <uri>http://www.adaptiveblue.com</uri>
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for a digital camera this weekend and my first stop was naturally Amazon. While browsing pages I noticed the new look and feel:
There is even more information on each page, the reviews are displayed in a new way and tags are being leveraged more. These
changes ranged from useful to interesting to perhaps a bit too much. But there was one thing that was very surprising.
</p>

<p>The Amazon pages feature text and banner advertising. Why would the world biggest online retailer include
links in its pages that divert customers from transaction? Amazon has invested so much in its
<a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/recommendation_engines.php">recommendation engine</a> that the company has no rival
when it comes to slicing and recombining product and consumer behavior information to drive transactions.
So why would Amazon include low relevancy contextual and completely non-relevant banner ads on its pages?
This was a mystery to me, so I wrote this post as an attempt to make sense of it.
</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>Text and Banner Ads in Product Pages</h2>

<p>Lets take a look at what exactly Amazon is featuring on its pages. I looked at the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-T7-B-supported/dp/B0009STEGY/ref=sr_1_7/104-2340605-5359130?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1187448903&sr=8-7">Sony Cyber-shot DSC-T7</a> camera:</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/amazon-product.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5"></p>

<p>There were two sections with advertisements, one with contextual text ads and the other one with banner advertising.
Here is the text advertising that I saw:</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/amazon-interested.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5"></p>

<p>The first advertising is a call to win a Xerox printer, which is not really all that relevant. The second
one appears to be from a competitor who is also selling digital cameras online. The ad tells me not to
pay too much and that I could save up to 75% on a digital camera.</p>

<p>The display ads shown on this page changed on each reload. Below are a couple of them. The first one is
an ad for the Westin Spa and the second is for the upcoming Microsoft Sync product.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/amazon-ad1.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5" width="240px"> <img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/amazon-ad2.jpg"  width="240px" vspace="5" hspace="5"></p>

<h2>This is for Real</h2>

<p>The contextual advertising on Amazon is provided by ClickRiver. There are two links next to the ads, one is a
call to advertise on Amazon and the second one explains what the advertising is.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/amazon-advertise.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5"></p>


<blockquote><p>
"Sponsored links are advertisements that Amazon.com provides for you. When you click on a sponsored link, we get revenue. All sponsored links are matched to your recent search queries or the content of the page. For example, if you search for "Bruce Springsteen" or view pages about Bruce Springsteen, the sponsored links may point to sites that sell tickets to his concerts or provide information about him. Sponsored links are always clearly labeled. Generating additional revenue from sponsored links allows us to offer lower prices to you -- something we are dedicated to doing in every way we can."
</p></blockquote>


<h2>Ads Just Don't Make Sense</h2>

<p>I am definitely not a guru when it comes to online advertising, but these ads seem to defy common sense. First the text ads lead
directly to competitor pages. They are advertised as pay-per-click so Amazon gets paid only if the user clicks.
Even though clicked-on ads open in a new tab, the user still leaves the Amazon product page. How likely
are users to come back?  The user maybe enticed by another offer, or become distracted and just forget about the open Amazon window. How much does Amazon need to generate per-click to make up the margin on potentially lost camera sale? It seems improbable
that these ads are worth as much as the sale.
</p>

<p>The banner ads are different, because they are random. Why would I click on the Westin Spa ad on this page?
It is likely that these ads are not per-click, but rather per impression. If thats the case, then this makes more
sense, because Amazon just gets paid on each page load. However, it begs a question - is it worth it to show these
and damage Amazon's reputation? As a faithful consumer, I come to Amazon because of its brand, reliability
and user experience. Seeing irrelevant, and even annoying advertising does not strengthen the relationship,
instead it damages loyalty.</p>

<p>Perhaps the most mind boggling thing about the ads is that they are integrated along with the rest of the content.
Of course text ads make sense in search engines, but Amazon's product pages are different. These pages used to contain
100% native content about the product, related products (sold by Amazon) and customers. The text and banner ads on Amazon's pages do
not look native - they are just out of place.</p>

<h2>Amazon Traffic is Down and Stock is Up</h2>

<p>Perhaps the ads are just an experiment - I hope they are not permanent. But overall, why did Amazon
tweak the pages again? Looking at the latest iteration, it is not really better than the one <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/amazon_tags_ajax_plogs_wikis.php">we covered in the beginning of this year</a>.
The product pages seem to loose order. The mix of product information, related products, forums, tags and on top of it ads,
is just way too much. Amazon is already an awesome brand, it does not need to try so hard to sell the product.
A shorter, cleaner page would probably be more effective than this complicated mix.
</p>

<p>Yet, something is definitely up. Looking at the traffic graph over the past year, we see decline in page views:</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/amazon-alexa.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5" width="480px"></p>

<p>Yet, Wall Street is happy. As we <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/amazon_webos.php">discussed here earlier</a>, likely because investors <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/amazon_web_services_success_stories.php">finally grasped</a> the clever
Amazon Web Services play:</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/amazon-finance.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5" width="480px"></p>

<h2>Conclusion</h2>

<p>According to an article in Always On Magazine, in 2006 the online advertising market grew to $30 billion and will
double by 2010. That is a mind boggling number, to say the least. Everyone wants a piece of this market. For startups, the answer to how are you going to make money, has for the most part been advertising and people have generally believed it. The opportunity is big, but advertising like everything else, cannot defy common sense.</p>

<p>First, advertisers will not spend a lot of money unless there is ROI. The ads need to make sense. They
need to be tailored by context, time, and individual. The text and banner ads on Amazon defy common sense. I hope that we can get out of the senseless ad-craze and recognize that just like our advertising technology evolves,
so do the consumers. People are not going click unless it makes sense.</p>

<p>What is your take on these Amazon ads? How are they rationalized and justifiable? It would be great to
hear from readers who really know their way around online advertising world.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from John Milan on 2007-08-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>John Milan</name>
        <uri>http://intelligantt.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex,</p>

<p>I'm not sure you can claim Amazon's traffic is really down since they get a huge boost during the Christmas season. Looking at the chart above, I'd say Amazon traffic is in line with mid-summer, 6 months til Christmas expectations.</p>

<p>Also, on a slightly different note, there has to be something better than Alexa for identifying traffic patterns. It's way to easy to game this measurement, requires a specific install and does not run on non-IE browsers. For example, Amazon could require all employees to use IE, install the Alexa Add-In and click on Amazon 5 times a day.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-08-20T17:14:11Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22425</id>
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    <title>Comment from Alex Iskold on 2007-08-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>Alex Iskold</name>
        <uri>http://www.adaptiveblue.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>

<p>We discussed that Alexa is not perfect, so sure, I agree that there are better tools out there. This trend is significant though (look at the X-axis). Look at the 5 year chart for it from Alexa, to see that the trends.</p>

<p>Alex</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-08-20T17:19:16Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22426</id>
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    <title>Comment from Josh Catone on 2007-08-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>Josh Catone</name>
        <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Actually, Alexa does support Firefox now, though I agree that it is not the best tool for traffic measurement.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-08-20T17:23:15Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22427</id>
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    <title>Comment from Bemmu on 2007-08-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>Bemmu</name>
        <uri>http://en.bemmu.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Amazon is putting these ads on its site to study how they work, see what clickthroughs their competitors have for different types of ads and utilize this info on their own advertising later?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-08-20T17:52:05Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22428</id>
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    <title>Comment from mathew johnson on 2007-08-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>mathew johnson</name>
        <uri>http://mattishness.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>i dont think it sounds unreasonable at all that adding ppc contextual ads would capture some incremental revenue from visitors who are not interested in buying at that time, and the display banners add a little incremental revenue as well. obviously, the key is to optimize how the distracting ads are promoted so they only distract the correct amount from amazon's core salespitch(es) - and so the average revenue is slightly higher than without 3rd party ads</p>

<p>including the ppc ads is a little cynical, in that amazon only wants to send visitors who will not buy, but that's a well-known strategy in the affiliate world.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-08-20T18:51:43Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22429</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jay Meattle on 2007-08-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jay Meattle</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Alex</p>

<p>According to Compete, Amazon.com year over year unique visitor traffic is up 12.3%, while pageviews are up 4.6%.</p>

<p><a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/amazon.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://siteanalytics.compete.com/amazon.com</a></a></p>

<p>Compete has been predictinj Amazon revenues accurately based on its data (average error: +/- 2%).  So I would say, it is pretty accurate. ;)</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-08-20T19:09:25Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22430</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jason on 2007-08-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jason</name>
        <uri>http://www.erevenueselect.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing this out.  That sucks for us Amazon Associates.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-08-20T19:15:39Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22431</id>
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    <title>Comment from francis on 2007-08-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>francis</name>
        <uri>http://www.myspace.com/francisidada</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.myspace.com/francisidada">
        <![CDATA[<p>Is greed really good? Does financial success parallel innovation?</p>

<p>Evidently, this move is to squeeze out more revenue and prove to investors that growth has not peak and the company should be valued at its current potential.</p>

<p>Really sad because the internet was supposed to a hot bed for innovation but now, it is just another media source.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-08-20T22:34:04Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22432</id>
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    <title>Comment from Coleman Foley on 2007-08-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>Coleman Foley</name>
        <uri>http://colemanfoley.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://colemanfoley.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>The PPC ads, which are more relevant, make sense because they make people more likely to go to Amazon.  It makes Amazon more of an unbiased server of product information.  As for the banner ads, they are useless.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-08-20T22:59:27Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22433</id>
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    <title>Comment from lawrence on 2007-08-20</title>
    <author>
        <name>lawrence</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I work at Amazon. Most sensible people there also at least feel a little queasy about the ads on the site. But most of us realize that Mathew Jonson's observation above is right: monetize the incremental value of customers who weren't going to buy anyway. (The fact that ads incrementally piss off customers who *do* buy doesn't seem to have crossed anyone's mind.)</p>

<p>Bemmu: interesting idea, but wow, that's totally not right at all.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-08-21T05:58:51Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22434</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jack on 2007-08-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jack</name>
        <uri>http://www.wedigtv.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Amazon will surely have 'done the math' to prove that this makes financial sense for them.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-08-21T08:54:38Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22435</id>
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    <title>Comment from Manish S on 2007-08-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Manish S</name>
        <uri>http://bluejaylearning.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://bluejaylearning.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Advertising may work out to be a better source given the viewership for Amazon. Assume that Amazon gets 1000 pages for one sale, that is, there are about 1000 hits before a sale happens. These hits could be by the same person or a different person. And there are lost of ads which pay not just by clicking by by mere impressions.</p>

<p>Is there a possibility that the profit margins compared to putting ads actually work out better with putting ads than not putting ads.</p>

<p>We also need to consider the fact that someone who has made up his/her mind to buy on amazon will not really change it and will actually buy stuff.</p>

<p><a href="http://bluejaylearning.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://bluejaylearning.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://bluejaylearning.blogspot.com</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-08-21T11:48:19Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22436</id>
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    <title>Comment from onecaseman on 2007-08-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>onecaseman</name>
        <uri>http://www.themusiclobby.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>When I first heard of these ads, I figured it was a quick way to test a PPC product for a9.com (and any search partners they may acquire) moreso than amazon.com. I must admit I have not been keeping up with what their future plans are for a9 though.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-08-21T16:35:06Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2764-comment:22437</id>
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    <title>Comment from teksty32 on 2007-08-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>teksty32</name>
        <uri>http://www.teksty32.com/piosenek/louise/index.php</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I dont know how profitable is but</p>

<p>Vishal has just released a first public free version of his Amazon Ads web-based service allowing anyone with a site, to easily integrate the latest deals.<br />
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