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    <published>2007-09-26T11:00:00Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:08:05Z</updated>
    <title>Social Bookmarking Faceoff Reloaded</title>
    <summary> digg_url = &apos;http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Social_Bookmarking_Faceoff_Reloaded&apos;; digg_bgcolor = &apos;#ffffff&apos;; digg_skin = &apos;compact&apos;; That del.icio.us dominates the social bookmarking space is clear, but by how much? Where do the other players stand? We&apos;ll attempt to sort it all out and predict what&apos;s coming next for social bookmarking in this post. A year ago in our Social Bookmarking Faceoff...</summary>
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      <name>Alex Iskold</name>
      <uri>http://www.adaptiveblue.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><font style="float: right"><script type="text/javascript">
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<script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js" type="text/javascript"></script></font><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/after-the-battle.jpg" width="200px" vspace="5" hspace="5" align="left">That del.icio.us dominates the social bookmarking space is clear, but by how much? Where do the other players stand?  We'll attempt to sort it all out and predict what's coming next for social bookmarking in this post.</p>
 
<p>A year ago in our <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/social_bookmarking_faceoff.php">Social Bookmarking Faceoff</a> post, we looked at the state
of the social bookmarking space. In the post, we used several techniques, ranging from counting the 
number of users who bookmarked a particular post, to counting posts with specific tags, to estimate
the number of users for each service. Our conclusion back then was that the market was dominated by <a href="http://del.icio.us/">del.icio.us</a> and <a href="http://www.stumbleupon.com/">StumbleUpon</a>.
</p>

<p>A year later we're passed the hype, <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/04/18/stumbleupon-signs-term-sheet-to-be-acquired/">StumbleUpon has been acquired by eBay</a>,
and during this <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_digestion_phase_how_we_got.php">digestion phase</a> social bookmarking has largely become yesterday's news. In this post, we'll look at what happened
to the other players in the space and look into what the future holds for social bookmarking.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>Estimating The Number Of Users</h2>

<p>We're using one of the methods from last year's post to estimate the number of users for each bookmarking service in this roundup.
For each site we counted the number of links to <b>cnn.com</b> and <b>apple.com/iphone</b> (one is old and the other is relatively new)
and then normalized using the <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/06/exclusive-screen-shots-and-feature-overview-of-delicious-20-preview/">recently announced number</a>
of del.icio.us registered users - 3 Million.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/bookmarking-usage_sept2007.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5"></p>

<p>Please note that these are just ballpark estimates to give us an idea. Even between the first and the second
data point there are substantial fluctuations. One way to use these estimates is to gauge how much more active some services were last year than they are now. In any case, it is clear that none of the services competing with del.icio.us are anywhere near it in terms of users.  The runner up in the bookmarking
space is <a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/">Ma.gnolia</a>, and we take a closer look at it next.</p>

<h2>Ma.gnolia - Staging A Comeback?</h2>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/magnolia.gif" width="150px" vspace="5" hspace="5" align="left"> When Ma.gnolia launched, it was pitched as a prettier alternative to del.icio.us. Indeed, for people looking for an attractive
site, del.icio.us did not offer much. As time went by Ma.gnolia, like many other social bookmarking sites, discovered that
just being a bit different from del.icio.us is not enough. Yet, ma.gnolia managed to build and retain a core set of users
who are sticking with the service and some that are even coming back:</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/magnolia_letter.png" vspace="5" hspace="5" ><br /><i>Image from the <a href="http://www.crawlspacemedia.com/blog/2007/09/10/flowers-bloom-again/">crawlspace|media blog</a>.</i></p>

<p>That Ma.gnolia has managed to build a set of active users bodes well for the service. On the day we checked, its front page showed recent bookmarks
that were dated that day and in fact, all 11 available recent bookmark pages, encompassing over two hundred bookmarks, 
were dated that day. Unfortunately there is no deeper history, so its hard to say exactly how many bookmarks are added in a given day.
But the users, most of whom appear to be in the web design field, each have a solid number of bookmarks in general. In a random sample, we found
no user with less than 200 bookmarks.</p>

<p>Yet, Ma.gnolia still has a ways to go before it can become a major player. The front page is very static and it is hard to
figure out how to browse. Unlike the del.icio.us start page, whose hotlist section can drive a significant amount of traffic to web sites, Ma.gnolia's top links are not prominently marked. And the random Google ads all over the site are just plain annoying. Do these really make
enough money to warrant their placement? It would be great for someone from Ma.gnolia to comment on that.</p>

<h2>Simpy, Furl, Blinklist and Blogmarks - Still Ticking</h2>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/simpy.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5" align="left"> <a href="http://www.simpy.com/">Simpy</a> definitely displays activity. According to the site's front page,
people post something new every a couple of minutes - which is pretty intense. Unfortunately, we could not
find a way to loop through all the bookmarks to really confirm. However, the most active user had slightly
over 1000 bookmarks and the 10th most active user had only 200 bookmarks, which is low compared to the top players in this area. </p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/furl.png" vspace="5" hspace="5" align="left">  <a href="http://www.furl.net/">Furl</a> also has active members with new posts coming as often as Simpy - every few minutes. The activity per user varied.
Among the random sample of 10 users that we checked there were half with thousands of bookmarks and the other half with just a few.
So there is a core set of users that has been faithful to the service. The site, however, has not evolved since last year, so its difficult to imagine that it is doing all that well.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/blinklist.gif" vspace="5" hspace="5" align="left"> <a href="http://www.blinklist.com/">Blinklist</a> comes across roughly equal to Furl and Simpy in terms of user engagement.
The site exhibits the same sort of activity on the front page. It is more difficult to navigate around, though. Again the site has not changed
since our last faceoff so we have to assume that it is just floating along.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/blogmarks.gif" vspace="5" hspace="5" align="left"> <a href="http://www.blogmarks.net/">Blogmarks</a> is so painfully slow that it is difficult
to imagine that it is being used. Yet there is activity on the front page. Several users that I had the patience to sample
had thousands of bookmarks, which confirms that some people are using the service. Since each page load took over a minute
there is not much more than I can say.</p>

<h2>del.icio.us and Social Bookmarking 2.0</h2>

<p>
The image at the top of this post is "After The Battle," by Simon Gaon. It is meant
to symbolize that the first battle of social bookmarking is pretty much over. The winner
is the company that began the frenzy - del.icio.us. Yet, social bookmarking itself
is far from over. It may seem that things are calm now, but this is just the calm before the storm.  A new wave
is coming.
</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/delicious_sept07a.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5"></p>

<p>
Earlier this month del.icio.us launched a brand new, completely re-written beta site. Preliminary reviews,
including the one <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/delicious_preview_next_gen_search.php">written by Richard MacManus</a>,
indicate that with their new site, del.icio.us will take social bookmarking to a completely  new level. Indeed, the path appears to lead to
social networking, recommendation engines, and even search. The first phase of the game was about accumulating information.
The second phase is likely to be about leveraging this information to help people discover and find relevant sites faster.
</p>

<h2>Conclusion</h2>

<p>Social bookmarking and tagging started a social revolution and changed the way we live and work online.
A truly pioneering service, del.icio.us blazed trails for web 2.0 and remains the winner of the social bookmarking battle.
The outcome is that social bookmarking has become the de facto way that  people keep track of web sites. It is now part of web infrastructure
much like HTML or HTTP.</p>

<p>Beyond igniting our minds, del.icio.us ignited a battle between social bookmarking services.
Other companies contributed to innovation, but ultimately could not succeed in capturing the market.
But it is never over. New ideas from old and new companies alike are already on the horizon.
Today's social bookmarking market may be quiet, but tomorrow is sure to give rise to new
twists and spins that will improve upon what we currently use.</p>

<p><strong>*** Update ***</strong> We got an email from <a href="http://www.diigo.com">Diigo</a> pointing out that they are not covered in the post and also providing us with their numbers. Diigo has been doing better than some other bookmarking services that we covered. Specifically,  there are <a href="http://about.diigo.com/about/show?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com#others">795 links</a> to CNN.com and <a href="http://about.diigo.com/about/show?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Fiphone%2F#others">15 links</a> to iphone.
 </p>
<p>
Also Diigo is also launching a new version at DEMOFall 2007 and <a href="http://www.profy.com/2007/09/24/diigo-demo/">Profy has the coverage</a>.
</p>
<p><strong>*** Update ***</strong> We got a clarifying email from Simpy clarifying that number of links to CNN is actually over 600. This puts Simpy above Ma.gnolia and slightly behind Diigo for CNN.com links.
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24112</id>
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    <title>Comment from Nathan Ketsdever on 2007-09-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Nathan Ketsdever</name>
        <uri>http://compassioninpolitics.wordpress.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Del.ici.ous will only get better.  In fact, they are beta testing right now.  Does anyone know a possible release date?</p>

<p>I've only played around with Magnolia, but like it a good deal as well.  As long as you get a feed service (and a couple are offered) that feeds into both...there are isn't much extra time or elbow grease thats required.</p>

<p>Tagging and social bookmarking rocks my world!  Its the way information is increasingly going to be organized.  I just Business 2.0 & Enterprise 2.0 catches on.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-09-26T12:17:10Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24113</id>
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    <title>Comment from Simone on 2007-09-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Simone</name>
        <uri>http://www.harael.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think you're looking at social bookmarking from a very industry-driven point of view.<br />
The new Delicious beta and the latest additions to Digg are a sign of where social bookmarking is going.<br />
When I send through Twitter/Pownce am I social bookmarking? I guess so. Actually I use Twitter mostly to share links with my contacts. Same for Facebook. Same for Digg (when I digg stuff I'm recommending to others and also building a kind of bookmark on my profile). People just don't care about definitions, any way I can share links with my friends is social bookmarking, and viceversa. That's why I think that Delicious could be the biggest Twitter competitor if the social part is deep enough.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-09-26T12:58:24Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24114</id>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Marlatt on 2007-09-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Marlatt</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Social bookmarking has definitely changed the way I manage my research findings on-line. Tagging, clipping, and saving are all great ways to save a group of select webpages. However, what good is all that great information if you cannot effectively showcase your findings in a concise and organized structure?  My favorite application for this very purpose was designed by Diigo.  Check out www.diigo.com, it takes the idea of social bookmarking to another level...</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-09-26T13:22:16Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24115</id>
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    <title>Comment from Bokar on 2007-09-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Bokar</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>y, diigo is so much better than delicious. very happy since i switched one month ago</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-09-26T21:38:18Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24116</id>
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    <title>Comment from Adam Metz on 2007-09-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Adam Metz</name>
        <uri>http://www.launchsquad.com/blogs/exclamation</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Alex, it's a bummer that Diigo was omitted here. The product is more useful than del.icio.us, since it can be leveraged strategically for business, and not just for keeping track of fun stuff like the other bookmark also-rans. My $.02.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-09-26T21:57:33Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24117</id>
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    <title>Comment from Mohit Srivastava on 2007-09-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mohit Srivastava</name>
        <uri>http://bluedot.us/users/mohit</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi, I'm co-founder of Blue Dot, Inc. (http://bluedot.us).  Just wanted to share our stats for the above sites.</p>

<p><strong>Apple/IPhone</strong>: 18<br />
<a href="http://bluedot.us/Url.aspx?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Fiphone%2F" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://bluedot.us/Url.aspx?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Fiphone%2F" rel="nofollow">http://bluedot.us/Url.aspx?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apple.com%2Fiphone%2F</a></a></p>

<p><strong>CNN</strong>: 76<br />
<a href="http://bluedot.us/Url.aspx?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://bluedot.us/Url.aspx?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F" rel="nofollow">http://bluedot.us/Url.aspx?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-09-26T22:20:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Otis Gospodnetic on 2007-09-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Otis Gospodnetic</name>
        <uri>http://blog.simpy.com/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Alex:</p>

<p>Thanks for this report, it's nice to get an overview.</p>

<p>Some comments/questions:<br />
How exactly did you get the number of times those 2 pages were bookmarked?  I'm asking because your numbers for Simpy for cnn.com don't match the real number.  Take a look:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.simpy.com/link/info/http://www.cnn.com/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.simpy.com/link/info/http://www.cnn.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.simpy.com/link/info/http://www.cnn.com/</a></a></p>

<p>I see <b>596 bookmarks of www.cnn.com</b> there, plus <b>another 11 for cnn.com</b>:<br />
<a href="http://www.simpy.com/link/info/http%3A//cnn.com/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.simpy.com/link/info/http%3A//cnn.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.simpy.com/link/info/http%3A//cnn.com/</a></a></p>

<p>The apple.com/iphone number is correct for Simpy.</p>

<p>I think these numbers put <b>Simpy in a runner-up spot</b>, no?</p>

<p>Question 1:<br />
Why use only these two links?  My guess is they favour certain type of crowd.  In my opinion the sample should be bigger.</p>

<p>Question 2:<br />
Where did you get the numbers for the active Simpy users?  Is it <a href="http://simpy.com/people?" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://simpy.com/people?" rel="nofollow">http://simpy.com/people?</a></a>  If so, don't use those people and their numbers for judging size/activity, as those are not overall the most active users (and I'd have to check the code to tell you the exact criteria used to extract those people out of the crowd).</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-09-27T03:49:27Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Chris Saad on 2007-09-27</title>
    <author>
        <name>Chris Saad</name>
        <uri>http://www.faradaymedia.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Marshall I think you will find Ma.gnolia is going to burst out of the gate with some amazing things. Stay tuned - great ideas ahead!</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-09-27T07:07:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Macc on 2007-09-27</title>
    <author>
        <name>Macc</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>hmm...i always prefer delcious its easy to bookmark..and have seen lot of new bookmark sites.i dnt knw wre they will land<br />
for example <a href="http://www.jeqq.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.jeqq.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jeqq.com</a></a> and <a href="http://www.indianpad.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.indianpad.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.indianpad.com</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-09-27T11:11:26Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jacqueline on 2007-09-27</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jacqueline</name>
        <uri>http://jacquelinezenn.wordpress.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I've always preferred the delicious interface to magnolia's, and really, to the others I have checked out (if you use socialmarker.com (http://socialmarker.com) a few times, you'll quickly grow acquainted with a whole bunch of social bookmarking sites).  </p>

<p>Yeah, it's not the fanciest or the most artistic, but it's functional and kind of sleek.  The new version has lots of cool aspects as well.</p>

<p>I'm also a fan of delicious as a really easy way to share links with the people I'm working with as well.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-09-27T18:47:35Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24122</id>
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    <title>Comment from Otis Gospodnetic on 2007-09-27</title>
    <author>
        <name>Otis Gospodnetic</name>
        <uri>http://blog.simpy.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blog.simpy.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@Jacqueline:<br />
Have you tried Simpy Groups for easy bookmark sharing with people and even friends?  I use that function constantly.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-09-27T19:11:51Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24123</id>
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    <title>Comment from Todd Sieling on 2007-09-27</title>
    <author>
        <name>Todd Sieling</name>
        <uri>http://ma.gnolia.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://ma.gnolia.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Hah - well we fell from 2nd to 4th - the glory was great while it lasted :)</p>

<p>Seriously, we really appreciate being counted in the review. </p>

<p>It's true that our core members are very active. They make both extensive and novel use of the site, and their ideas and needs drive a lot of our development decisions. We're lucky to get good feedback through our support channel, and even chat with some members almost daily in our Pibb channel, so member involvement in some areas is quite deep.</p>

<p>It's also true that we aren't very forward with deep histories and popularity-driven discovery. We're sometimes asked to surface aggregate counts and other statistics, but that's an approach that's already well-covered by other services. So we've focussed on discovery through the relationships members form as contacts or group members. This steers us away from being a traffic-building resource. Indeed, it's a type of use that we discourage, and while it's tricky sometimes, we're able to provide a mostly spam-free experience because of that.</p>

<p>We're finding that we're most successful with members when we connect as less of an engine and more of a resource that can unfold in lots of different ways, and that by talking with us we can develop something that works for them and the team behind it. That's taking us to some interesting places, as Chris mentioned, and so we look forward to the next review. </p>

<p>Regarding the ads, they're only seen right now by visitors who aren't signed into the site. We turned them off for summer treat, and it's been kind of comfortable so we've left them off for now, while hanging a few more on the un-signed-in view. It's a good way to let people coming from Google searches help us pay the rent while we make things a bit more relaxed for members. Following your comment though, Alex, we took another look and agreed, so we've been looking at ways to make things a bit more balanced for a better view.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-09-28T03:36:43Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24124</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jack on 2007-09-28</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jack</name>
        <uri>http://www.wedigtv.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.wedigtv.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Go Mister Wong!  www.mister-wong.com.  Apparently Mister Wong is big over here in Europe.  I dropped Delicious out for them, and far prefer the user experience they provide.</p>

<p>I mention them only a.)  as I really like their service and b.) as I would have thought that they are bigger players than some of the lesser services mentioned above.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-09-28T11:53:34Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24125</id>
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    <title>Comment from Todd Sieling on 2007-09-28</title>
    <author>
        <name>Todd Sieling</name>
        <uri>http://ma.gnolia.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://ma.gnolia.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>One more note to add: Larry, Ma.gnolia's founder, reminded me this morning that as far as numbers go, those garnered from searches on Ma.gnolia just come from our whitelist of verified legitimate users, and don't include bookmarks from spam accounts. </p>

<p>We're not looking for any adjustments in numbers, as we're more interested in who instead of how many, but I wanted to point it out as part of the discussion has been about search numbers and so on.<br />
Cheers!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-09-28T19:59:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24126</id>
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    <title>Comment from Nihaar Gupta on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Nihaar Gupta</name>
        <uri>http://www.youlicit.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.youlicit.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>Great analysis of the current social bookmarking scene.  I also wanted to point out Youlicit (http://www.youlicit.com), which we believe takes the next step in social bookmarking.  There's a wealth of user-generated relevance (tags, diggs, ratings) out there, but it's still not readily accessible to the masses.  Therefore, we're trying to build a social recommendation engine that extracts this wisdom of the crowds and makes it available to users with much less effort.  Right now, Youlicit helps you find the most recommended sites & users related to a website or topic with one-click.  Have a look.  We'd love to hear your thoughts.</p>

<p>Nihaar Gupta<br />
Youlicit</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-10-01T21:12:28Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24127</id>
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    <title>Comment from Nihaar Gupta on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Nihaar Gupta</name>
        <uri>http://www.youlicit.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.youlicit.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>Sorry, here is the link for Youlicit again <a> Youlicit (http://www.youlicit.com)</a>.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-10-01T21:35:00Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2960-comment:24128</id>
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    <title>Comment from Regis Freyd on 2007-10-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>Regis Freyd</name>
        <uri>http://www.freyd.info</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.freyd.info">
        <![CDATA[<p>I am a user of Blogmarks for 2 years now. I've never complained about the slowness of the site (perhaps the speed's different for you guys in the US).<br />
The only reason why I stick to this site is, unlike Delicious, they have thumbnails images for each bookmark...</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-10-05T14:54:53Z</published>
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