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    <published>2007-10-01T05:16:00Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:08:07Z</updated>
    <title>Techmeme Launching Leaderboard; World Likely to Keep Turning</title>
    <summary>TechCrunch has the scoop on a big new feature launching tomorrow evening at the tech-blog meme aggregator Techmeme (minus buzz words, it&apos;s a news tracking site). The new Techmeme leaderboard will list the top 100 blogs that have appeared as headline links on Techmeme over the past 30 days. The page will be at http://techmeme.com/lb,...</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://techmeme.com"><img alt="Picture%2063.png" align="right" hspace="5px" vspace="5px" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/Picture%2063.png" width="200" height="85" /></a><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/30/techmeme-leaderboard-to-launch-attacking-technoratis-last-stronghold">TechCrunch</a> has the scoop on a big new feature launching tomorrow evening at the tech-blog meme aggregator <a href="http://techmeme.com">Techmeme</a> (minus buzz words, it's a news tracking site).  The new Techmeme leaderboard will list the top 100 blogs that have appeared as headline links on Techmeme over the past 30 days.   The page will be at <a href="http://techmeme.com/lb">http://techmeme.com/lb</a>, which is currently password protected.  In a preview image, posted below, TechCrunch was the top blog on Techmeme last month and Read/WriteWeb was #6.
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We're in great company on that list, and it looks better than the <a href="http://technorati.com/pop/blogs">Technorati 100</a>, where we're now at #22 - but this Techmeme leaderboard will face some criticism as well.  I love Techmeme, I've checked it multiple times an hour since it launched in 2005, but below are my thoughts on this leaderboard.</p>
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      <![CDATA[<h2>Who's on Techmeme?</h2>
<p>
Many people wrongly believe that the blogs that appear on Techmeme are hand picked by site creator Gabe Rivera.  In fact, after an initial seeding of the index when the site launched in 2005, Rivera only touches the content on the site to fix problems that arise.  Blogs are added to the Techmeme index, more or less, by being linked-to by other blogs that are already indexed by Techmeme.  It's not a perfect system, but it's not nearly as closed as many critics allege.
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That said, it is a black box.  No one knows for sure how the stories are selected and ranked on Techmeme.  That's both a strength and a weakness.  No black box ranking system will ever serve all ranking needs in any industry.</p>

<h2>Techmeme vs. Technorati</h2>
<p>
Michael Arrington said tonight that the new leaderboard means that blog search engine Technorati no longer has a leg to stand on, because the <a href="http://technorati.com/pop/blogs">Technorati 100</a> was the company's last important differentiating feature.
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I disagree.  This Techmeme leaderboard cannot replace Technorati.  Even if the Technorati 100, the list of the most linked-to blogs on the web, does suffer from spam as Michael Arrington asserts - the solution is simple.  Just as Ask.com displays blogsearch results only from blogs that have a certain number of subscribers in the company's feed reader, Bloglines, so too Technorati can find a simple way to vet the quality of the links it's counting.  
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<strong>More importantly,</strong> Technorati offers a topical blog index that's useful outside of the limited subject matter covered by Techmeme and its off-shoots <a href="http://Memeorandum.com">Memeorandum</a>, <a href="http://WeSmirch.com">WeSmirch</a> and <a href="http://ballbug.com">BallBug</a>. Want to know who the most linked-to blogs about real estate are?  About knitting?  Technorati offers a valuable, if very imperfect, answer to questions like that.  Just visit a URL like http://www.technorati.com/blogs/knitting</p>

<h2>Techmeme and industry leadership</h2>
<p>
An appearance on Techmeme will drive many bloggers' traffic through the roof.  For a big news blog, though, showing up on Techmeme isn't about traffic.  Read/WriteWeb gets more traffic than Techmeme, for example, but not nearly as much as Digg.  Digg is a traffic driver.  Techmeme is about link-respect from blogging peers.
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That's a fine thing to measure in 30 day increments, but it's also important to acknowledge that not all blogs are equal in Techmeme.  It is a black box, but it certainly appears that some big blogs carry a whole lot more weight than others.  If my personal blog links to some one else's blog post, that post will not be shot onto Techmeme.  If TechCrunch, Engadget or Read/WriteWeb link to some one's blog post, the journey for that blog post to make it to Techmeme is going to be a whole lot shorter.
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The threshold for some blogs to make it onto Techmeme is much lower than it is for most others.  That means that this metric of headline leadership over 30 days may be a self-perpetuating matter.  You were on Techmeme a lot because you're on Techmeme a lot.  Arrington says the list will change frequently because of the 30 day intervals - but we'll see.  The Technorati 100 only counts inbound links from the past 6 months, but when the top of the top changes on that list it's big, big news.  That list doesn't change very much and I'll be interested to see how much the Techmeme leaderboard changes.</p>

<h2>What about the rest of the world?</h2>
<p>
Other questions that should be asked include the following:
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What does this mean for the rest of the world outside of the US?  Techmeme is barely a global phenomenon; it crawls to near halt outside of the blogging hours of the United States.  The Technorati 100, on the other hand, includes scores of blogs that aren't even written in English - but have massive readership.
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A list based on reciprocal links isn't a complete list. <a href="http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2005/08/07/the_biases_of_links.html">Gender</a> and other biases, different blogging subcultures and any number of other factors make a Techmeme-type leaderboard inevitably limited in its scope.  I think Gabe Rivera acknowledges that.  When I asked him just what he aimed to do with the leaderboard, he said:</p>
<blockquote><p>"Well, it's designed primarily to identify Techmeme's most frequent sources, a much-requested feature. Techmeme focuses on the tech industry, so indeed, you won't be able to pit GigaOM vs. Perez Hilton using the Techmeme leaderboard. I betting that's OK with Techmeme readers."</p></blockquote>
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I also asked him how the leaderboard could compete with Mahalo and he admitted that there was no stopping Mahalo, but that's another story.
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That's just fine, there's not too much harm in the limits of the site's scope - though another standard of leadership that's dominated by white men in the US is not really what the world needs, in my opinion.  We'll still aim to climb higher and higher on the Techmeme leaderboard - but there's plenty of room for other standards of measurement in leadership, in as much as that's even necessary.
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2982-comment:24256</id>
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    <title>Comment from Gabe on 2007-09-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Gabe</name>
        <uri>http://www.techmeme.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Techmeme clearly (I'd say obviously) has its biases.  I'll be writing more on that tomorrow.  (Hint: that's why it has a readership.)</p>

<p>Funny thing about alot of the shortcomings you've mentioned: I've heard them many time before, but only from bloggers.  Never non-bloggers. Hmm...</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T06:12:32Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2982-comment:24257</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jason Calacanis on 2007-09-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jason Calacanis</name>
        <uri>http://www.calacanis.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>1. This looks AMAZING! Long overdue and I think it's a great feedback loop for folks to understand where stories break.</p>

<p>2. My favorite line: "I also asked him how the leaderboard could compete with Mahalo and he admitted that there was no stopping Mahalo, but that's another story."</p>

<p>I think everyone in the industry understands that Techmeme is on the verge of a massive acquisition spree and I doubt any of us--Facebook included--are going to avoid the machine that is Techmeme. :-)</p>

<p>rock on!</p>

<p>j</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T06:23:27Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Morgan on 2007-09-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Morgan</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of the time the over-the-top praise from TC makes me really question where it's coming from. He seems to have a major thing for Technorati, in that nothing that can be spun as negative goes unreported.</p>

<p>In this case, I really do like Techmeme, I just think the TC bit maybe overstates the greatness of the leaderboard a bit.</p>

<p>That being said, I will forever love Techmeme if for nothing else that freeing me from looking at Digg's sorry rear-end for the rest of my days. Probably gave me an extra 6 months of life since I'm not immediately teed off the moment I want some tech news.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T06:35:04Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2982-comment:24259</id>
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    <title>Comment from ouriel on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>ouriel</name>
        <uri>http://ouriel.typepad.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Marshall you are asking what about the rest of the world?</p>

<p>Wikio.com has a blog ranking for France/Spain/Italy/Germany and soon UK (some of them are not on line yet)</p>

<p>The structure of the ranking is more complex than techmeme but has many similarities (an exemple for Fr here </p>

<p><a href="http://www.wikio.fr/blogs/top" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.wikio.fr/blogs/top" rel="nofollow">http://www.wikio.fr/blogs/top</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T08:06:27Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Duncan on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Duncan</name>
        <uri>http://www.duncanriley.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Marshall<br />
I find your "Techmeme crawls to a halt outside of US hours" comment bizarre...are you even awake at that hour to tell? Take for example the Adobe Word competitor story that broke at midnight EST: all over Techmeme in a matter of minutes. I think it's a positive that you're capable of looking outside of the US in terms of your thinking (far too few Americans do) but you've missed the mark with Techmeme. Ask your new boss (a  Kiwi) or Josh...or any other tech obsessed non-American...like me, there is plenty of good stuff on Techmeme at all hours...in fact we get a pile of good stuff while you sleep :-)</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T12:10:19Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2982-comment:24261</id>
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    <title>Comment from Amyloo on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Amyloo</name>
        <uri>http://learnandteachonline.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>"another standard of leadership that's dominated by white men in the US is not really what the world needs"</p>

<p>Thanks for bringing that up, Marshall.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T12:33:55Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2982-comment:24262</id>
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    <title>Comment from Allen Stern on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Allen Stern</name>
        <uri>http://www.centernetworks.com/techmeme-leaderboard-launches</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Good writeup Marshall - I agree with most of what you have written but not all of it. First, why do we even need this leaderboard?</p>

<p>This can easily be gamed by what I call the "TM Faves". And your example using your personal blog is not correct as most likely (not 100% but relatively close), RWW would push you out and you wouldn't get the presence score from that post.</p>

<p>Gots to keep the a-list, the a-list - by any means necessary :)</p>

<p>Here is my post:<br />
<a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/techmeme-leaderboard-launches" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/techmeme-leaderboard-launches" rel="nofollow">http://www.centernetworks.com/techmeme-leaderboard-launches</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T13:02:01Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2982-comment:24263</id>
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    <title>Comment from Shelley on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Shelley</name>
        <uri>http://burningbird.net</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Just want to echo Amyloo, thanks for noting the bias built into both Techmeme and now this list. </p>

<p>To be honest, I'm not sure it matters. There's a group of about 100 weblogs that have good audiences and make a lot of money. They don't really talk about 'tech', but more about technology companies and products. They're featured frequently on Techmeme, and now this list. </p>

<p>More power to the group, but it looses relevancy over time. After a while, you get tired of hearing about the next online document killer, and iPhone. People are turning to other lists, such as Sam Ruby's aggregated list or Planet RDF, which tend to feature new voices, new stories, real technology. Or the Slashdot/digg sites, which at least have the power of variety.</p>

<p>Right now there's some discussion about this list as people point out, "Hey! That's me!" In the long run, though? I don't think anyone will really care, and it will be because of the homogeneous nature of both Techmeme and this list.</p>

<p>It's just another gatekeeper.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T13:10:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Josh Catone on 2007-10-01</title>
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        <name>Josh Catone</name>
        <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Duncan: Actually, I am an American -- I just don't sleep like one. ;)  The one time I think Techmeme <i>really</i> crawls to a halt, is on the weekends ... I think Steve Jobs at Yahoo! was a top story for over 48 hours this weekend, for example. But it certainly isn't the site's fault when news breaks (or doesn't break, as the case may be)... I'd rather it slow down during slow news periods than lower its entry standards and link to less important news.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T13:14:36Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2982-comment:24265</id>
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    <title>Comment from Allen Stern on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Allen Stern</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>#9 Josh - and it makes sense to slow down on the weekends and late nights - PR firms don't issue on the weekends and bloggers typically take a breathing break on the weekend.</p>

<p>I do agree with you that lowering the standards just to get more posts isn't worth it. And in fact, it's a good opportunity for the smaller blogs to get some play.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T14:01:11Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.2982-comment:24266</id>
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    <title>Comment from RS on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>RS</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's the just the latest version of the online nepotism/echo chamber effect.  A small, select group of tech news blogs interlink between each other and mostly talk about one another's stories - which in turn keeps the audiences concentrated in a smaller area.  It's entertaining and can often be informative.  But where these blogs start to lose me is when this small, select group starts to believe that all their talk between each other is somehow representative of a much broader spectrum of opinion.  It's sort of the anti-thesis of Digg where 'democracy' rules . . . if you want to believe that even Digg is somehow representative of a wider audience.  As usual, reality lies somewhere in between these two models, but both are still obviously heavily skewed toward technology.</p>

<p>I have to say though, I do enjoy the tidiness of Techmeme.  It's much easier to keep tabs on.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T14:42:50Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ben Metcalfe on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ben Metcalfe</name>
        <uri>http://benmetcalfe.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Yes, but 33% of the sources in the Top 100 are not actually blogs at all.</p>

<p><a href="http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/index.php/2007/10/01/techmeme-top-100-is-top-100-of-what-exactly/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/index.php/2007/10/01/techmeme-top-100-is-top-100-of-what-exactly/" rel="nofollow">http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/index.php/2007/10/01/techmeme-top-100-is-top-100-of-what-exactly/</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T15:27:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Bob Warfield on 2007-10-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Bob Warfield</name>
        <uri>http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The interesting stuff starts after the Top 100:</p>

<p><a href="http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/the-internet-first-breeds-diversity-then-conformity-punctuated-equilibrium/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/the-internet-first-breeds-diversity-then-conformity-punctuated-equilibrium/" rel="nofollow">http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/the-internet-first-breeds-diversity-then-conformity-punctuated-equilibrium/</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T18:21:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jim Turner on 2007-10-01</title>
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        <name>Jim Turner</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>And let's not forget the Technorati Tags.  Until people like Techmeme or Ice Rocket or others can offer a similar alternative that will make it easier to find niche posts, I think Technorati will hang on a little longer.</p>

<p>#11 RS:  Did you say Digg represented Democracy?  Digg Nation is anything but a democracy if you have been black balled like I have seen some tech writers.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-01T22:46:37Z</published>
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