<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" 
      xmlns:thr="http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0">
  <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php" />
  <link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/atom.xml" />
  <id>tag:,2008:/1/tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107-</id>
  <updated>2008-07-07T14:22:11Z</updated>
  <title>Comments for Facebook Flyers: Google Killer?  On Facebook, Maybe</title>
  
  <generator uri="http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/">Movable Type 4.1</generator>
  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107</id>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php" />
    <link rel="service.edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-atom.cgi/weblog/blog_id=1/entry_id=3107" title="Facebook Flyers: Google Killer?  On Facebook, Maybe" />
    <published>2007-10-22T15:16:00Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:08:15Z</updated>
    <title>Facebook Flyers: Google Killer?  On Facebook, Maybe</title>
    <summary>A little over a month ago, Facebook launched their updated &quot;Flyers Pro&quot; system that added per click bidding, and better ad targeting to their self-serve ad service. Today, Valleywag posted an analysis concluding that the Flyers Pro &quot;system poses a direct threat to Google&apos;s AdWords and Microsoft&apos;s AdCenter.&quot; In their comments and on other blogs,...</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Josh Catone</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com/</uri>
    </author>
    
    <category term="Analysis" />
    
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.readwriteweb.com/">
      <![CDATA[<p><img border="0" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/facebook-logo.jpg" align="left" hspace="5" vspace="5" width="100" height="35" />A little over a month ago, Facebook launched their updated "Flyers Pro" system that added per click bidding, and better ad targeting to their self-serve ad service.  Today, <a href="http://valleywag.com/tech/facebook/who-needs-google-facebooks-stealth-ad-system-313354.php">Valleywag posted</a> an analysis concluding that the Flyers Pro "system poses a direct threat to Google's AdWords and Microsoft's AdCenter."  In their comments and on other blogs, people questioned Valleywag's conclusion, arguing that Google has nothing to fear because their ads are targeted based on searches -- for which the searchers already have the intent to find something.</p>

<p>Facebook Flyers Pro ads, on the other hand, are targeted by country, age, sex, keywords, relationship status, education, or workplace.  "Google ads are part and parcel of Google SERPs!," writes <a href="http://blog.insiderchatter.com/2007/10/22/adwords-is-safe-facebook-flyers-no-google-killer/">Donna Bogatin</a> this morning.  "Facebook Flyers are part and parcel of Facebook 'social graph' [sic] ... In the simplest terms, Facebook Flyers 'target people' in their hghly [sic] personal space while Google AdWords fulfill people‚Äôs needs in their anonymous information space."</p>

<p>Bogatin seems to be forgetting, though, that Google's AdSense program -- which targets ads on third-party sites by keywords found in content, not searches  -- accounted for 34% of the <a href="http://investor.google.com/releases/2007Q3.html">company's revenue</a> last quarter, or $1.45 billion.  It could be argued that Facebook's Flyers Pro is very similar to Google's AdSense program -- but with <i>more</i> precise targeting tools (and existing only on one site).</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p><img border="0" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/facebook-flyerspro.jpg" width="530" height="449" /></p>

<p>A couple of weeks ago, Charlene Li <a href="http://blogs.forrester.com/charleneli/2007/10/facebook-flyer-.html">ran an experiment</a> demonstrating a very respectable 2.76% response rate (that's response, not click-thru) on her $5, untargeted Facebook Flyer buy.  Granted, Li's flyer wasn't selling anything and a response cost only time, but with proper targeting and ad design, it seems entirely possible that advertisers might find success using Facebook's internal ad network.</p>

<p>Bogatin asserts that ads targeted too closely to your interests on Facebook are likely to be deemed "creepy."  Maybe so, but are they any more creepy than ads targeted to the search you did for a medical condition?  Or the ads Google's Gmail runs based on your email contents?  Probably not -- if people are creeped out now, the feeling probably won't last.  The concept of a robot reading what we say and do and delivering ads is not a foreign one to Internet users.</p>

<p>So are Facebook Flyer Pro ads a Google killer?  In general, no, but on Facebook, possibly.  Valleywag is right to guess that Facebook "wants to gain more control over its U.S. [ad] inventory."  Facebook's expansion of their internal ad network shows that the company wants to go it alone rather than use a third-party to sell its ad space (it already has a display advertising deal in place with Microsoft).  With better campaign management tools, they probably could have success with small advertisers the way Google has with AdWords and AdSense.</p>]]>
    </content>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107-comment:25187</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php#c25187" />
    <title>Comment from SEO Mash on 2007-10-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>SEO Mash</name>
        <uri>http://seomash.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://seomash.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>The CPC model used by the Flyers Pro is a huge improvement over the CPM model of the traditional Flyers. Based upon my testing so far though advertising on the Google content network still beats Flyers Pro hands down.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-10-22T17:01:31Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107-comment:25188</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php#c25188" />
    <title>Comment from webSwarm on 2007-10-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>webSwarm</name>
        <uri>http://www.seekng.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.seekng.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Let's be clear.  NO SINGLE WebSite will "kill" Google.  They absolutely transcend individual WebSites.</p>

<p>Nothing less than a integrated swarms of titanic magnitude will stall Google's relentless drive to dominate.  WebSwarms, not WebSites.. Users and Sites and their Data/Memes stretched out in a vast interconnected array of activity and applications, across the planet, might stand a chance</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-10-22T21:00:57Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107-comment:25189</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php#c25189" />
    <title>Comment from Jordan Mitchell on 2007-10-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jordan Mitchell</name>
        <uri>http://kickstand.typepad.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://kickstand.typepad.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Google killer? No way, not on a social network. </p>

<p>That said, Facebook has nowhere to go but up, in terms of the quality of their advertising programs. I'm a guy and just got an ad for leggings ... now in 30 colors!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-10-23T04:01:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107-comment:25190</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php#c25190" />
    <title>Comment from Blogging tips from mcrilf on 2007-10-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Blogging tips from mcrilf</name>
        <uri>http://itsanonlineworld.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://itsanonlineworld.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Facebook Flyers will certainly not kill Google's Adwords system, but since the latter is becomng increasingly expensive to bid on, marketers will start to capitalise on Facebook's Flyers system.  </p>

<p>I've done some recent testing on the platfom which you can read about here <a href="http://itsanonlineworld.blogspot.com/2007/10/case-study-facebook-flyers-part-1.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://itsanonlineworld.blogspot.com/2007/10/case-study-facebook-flyers-part-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://itsanonlineworld.blogspot.com/2007/10/case-study-facebook-flyers-part-1.html</a></a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-10-25T17:24:29Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107-comment:25191</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3107" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_flyers_google_killer.php#c25191" />
    <title>Comment from Blogging tips from mcrilf on 2007-10-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Blogging tips from mcrilf</name>
        <uri>http://itsanonlineworld.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://itsanonlineworld.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Facebook Flyers will certainly not kill Google's Adwords system, but since the latter is becomng increasingly expensive to bid on, marketers will start to capitalise on Facebook's Flyers system.  </p>

<p>I've done some recent testing on the platfom which you can read about here <a href="http://itsanonlineworld.blogspot.com/2007/10/case-study-facebook-flyers-part-1.html" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://itsanonlineworld.blogspot.com/2007/10/case-study-facebook-flyers-part-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://itsanonlineworld.blogspot.com/2007/10/case-study-facebook-flyers-part-1.html</a></a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2007-10-26T06:43:19Z</published>
  </entry>

</feed>