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  <title>Comments for Internet TV‚Äôs Future is Set-Top Boxes</title>
  
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    <published>2007-10-02T21:55:02Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:08:08Z</updated>
    <title>Internet TV‚Äôs Future is Set-Top Boxes</title>
    <summary>last100 editor Steve O&apos;Hear has been pondering the future of Internet TV and he sees set-top boxes as key. A set-top box, according to this definition, is &quot;a device used with televisions, allowing users access to enhanced and sometimes proprietary features such as digital channels, video-on-demand, and Internet access&quot;. Here is what last100 had to...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.last100.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/dsm-750-d-link.png" title="Internet TV's future: PC or set-top-box?" alt="Internet TV's future: PC or set-top-box?" align="right" height="129" width="250" />last100 editor Steve O'Hear has been pondering <a href="http://www.last100.com/2007/10/01/internet-tvs-future-pc-or-set-top-box/">the future of Internet TV</a> and he sees set-top boxes as key. A set-top box, according to <a href="http://www.indiana.edu/~telecom/faculty/krause/etv/glossary.html">this definition</a>, is "a device used with televisions, allowing users access to enhanced and sometimes proprietary features such as digital channels, video-on-demand, and Internet access".</p>
<p>Here is what last100 had to say about this future for Internet TV:</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<blockquote><p>"Two seemingly unrelated announcements last week have got me thinking about whether the future of &#8220;full screen&#8221; Internet TV applications, such as <a href="http://www.last100.com/2007/05/20/joost-opens-to-the-public-full-review/">Joost</a> or <a href="http://www.last100.com/2007/05/29/introducing-babelgum-joost-isnt-the-only-game-in-town/">Babelgum</a>, reside on a PC or, instead, some sort of set-top-box which connects to a TV.</p>
<p>Microsoft launched a Beta version of its <a href="http://www.last100.com/2007/09/27/microsoft-announces-internet-tv-for-windows-media-center-new-lineup-of-media-extenders/">new MSN Video-based &#8220;Internet TV&#8221; service</a>, compatible with &#8220;Extenders for Media Center&#8221; devices from Cisco, D-Link, and HP; and <a href="http://www.last100.com/2007/09/28/jaman-publishes-unsupported-appletv-hack/">Jaman published a software hack</a> &#8212; albeit, unsupported &#8212; to enable content from its movie download store to work with the AppleTV.</p>

<p>Other online video services to have already aligned with hardware manufacturers include BitTorrent, <a href="http://www.last100.com/2007/06/19/bittorrent-releases-sdk-for-set-top-boxes-and-other-devices/">which released an SDK</a> for set-top boxes, Network-Attached Storage (NAS) devices, and media extenders; Google-owned YouTube <a href="http://www.last100.com/2007/08/08/apple-and-google-alliance-just-got-stronger/">with their strong partnership with Apple</a>; and DivX who are busy shopping around their <a href="http://www.last100.com/2007/08/24/divx-unveils-connected-media-extender/">&#8220;Connected&#8221; media extender</a> hardware reference design to Asian consumer electronics companies.</p>
<p>What all of the above companies are betting, to varying degrees, is that for all the social and interactive advantages of online video, certain kinds of content, particularly long form programing, still wants to be viewed from the couch on a large widescreen TV."</p></blockquote>

<p>See also Steve's follow-up post: <a href="http://www.last100.com/2007/10/01/joost-on-a-set-top-box-within-18-months/">Joost on a set-top-box within 18 months</a>, based on a quote from Joost CEO Mike Volpi in a recent interview. Volpi went on to say that Joost isn't yet ready for the mainstream: "I wouldn‚Äôt expect the mainstream to go with Joost [yet]. I would expect the mainstream would probably get to Joost when they see the platform on television."</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from G on 2007-10-02</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard - that Joost comment needs some tempering... please it was a half hearted responose from Volpi in an interview with one of OM Maliks blogs.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-02T22:29:11Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2007-10-02</title>
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        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>G, I hear you -- I saw a similar comment made on last100. But it did come from the CEO of Joost, who should know better than to make statements like that if it's not viable. What do you think, *is* it viable?</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-02T22:45:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from steve on 2007-10-02</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@G and @Richard</p>

<p>Of course Volpi knew what he was saying, he's been saying the same thing for months, which is what I said in my previous post on Internet TV and STBs in general. The Joost crew having always played up the idea that Joost can in theory be made to run on hardware other than a PC e.g. a set-top-box or mobile device. </p>

<p>The only new information is the 18 month time line, which, frankly, is a pretty long time to get a strategy to fruition (since they won't build the hardware themselves), and is perfectly feasible. It may have been an off-the-cuff comment, but he was hardly pressed to make it.</p>

<p>If Joost hasn't partnered with a hardware device manufacturer within 18 months or there abouts, then it will likely have failed in the marketplace. 18 months or longer, Volpi was very clear that Joost needs to be on other platforms to go "mainstream".</p>

<p>Also, Volpi used to be 'the router guy' at CISCO, so he knows hardware, and CISCO already make media extenders.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-02T23:17:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Sean Tierney on 2007-10-02</title>
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        <name>Sean Tierney</name>
        <uri>http://www.scrollinondubs.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard, <br />
I just got my Apple TV last week and can attest that the "lean back" watching experience that Steve mentions means everything. I wrote up my impressions of the Apple TV here-> <a href="http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/24/first-impressions-of-apple-tv/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/24/first-impressions-of-apple-tv/" rel="nofollow">http://www.scrollinondubs.com/2007/09/24/first-impressions-of-apple-tv/</a></a></p>

<p>On a computer, Youtube is a 2min distraction but not a viable entertainment substitute when you want to plop down on the couch. On the living room set though it's a window into independent content in a format which feels cinema-like enough to keep you interested. It's a satisfying alternative to traditional TV when you want a less-linear/brainless, more-engaging/unique experience but don't want to surf the web. </p>

<p>There's already sites like appletvhacks.com and appletvsource.com for people who are integrating other services like Jaman.  Joost, Veoh, Babelgum, et al. should identify their fanatical technical users and give them whatever they need to make the widgets necessary to bring these services into existing devices like Apple TV. Doing exclusive deals with set-top box providers yields a balkanized landscape for the consumer. The smartest set-top box provider will take the Facebook approach of opening up their platform and become the "one set top box to rule them all." </p>

<p>sean</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-02T23:20:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from steve on 2007-10-02</title>
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        <name>steve</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>"One set-top-box to rule them all" is the holy grail. And I agree, Apple should really open up their box, it would have superior third-party support too, based on the hacker efforts that already exist.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-02T23:26:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from G on 2007-10-02</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard - Volpi knows all too well how challenging it can be <br />
to get someithing on an STB - just ask the MOT and Samsung's of the world.  It is far to too complex to get things into a box in 18 months - a time horizon used by everyone at executive levels at a startup. Any good OEM implementation takes 18 months of dev/test to make it to market (that's assuming you have the deal signed already).  And how many IPTV STBs are there in the market today - the numbers are miniscual.  </p>

<p>The real questions here 1. is Joost an add-on utility for efficient distribution, 2. Is is a good Content platform, or is it both?  </p>

<p>As of now Joost is simply an add-on for efficient delivery (with a low grade for QoS & QoE)- the case for being a combination of content and efficiency is not quite clear yet.  </p>

<p>The fact remains - Joost is running its content servers out of neutral territories like Luxemborg to avoid franchise taxes (hell thier own email severs do a doubble loop just to keep their netural stance).  Now bring that down to a device which of course will certainly see some regulatory requirements - it's got a long way to reality.  </p>

<p>@Steve "Also, Volpi used to be 'the router guy' at CISCO, so he knows hardware, and CISCO already make media extenders."</p>

<p>Routers, Media Extenders, and STBs are all very different animals - experience with extenders does not "extend" to "STBs".  But I would assume it makes one more pragmatic about the outcomes - and Volpi is pragamtic.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-03T01:09:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mark Antonio on 2007-10-02</title>
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        <name>Mark Antonio</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's been reported that the News Corp owned social networking site, MySpace, may be commissioning an exclusive web TV show. Whilst News Corp haven't <br />
<a href="http://www.lyricsenergy.com/lyrics/t/the-beatles/index.php" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.lyricsenergy.com/lyrics/t/the-beatles/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.lyricsenergy.com/lyrics/t/the-beatles/index.php</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-03T06:43:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jack on 2007-10-03</title>
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        <name>Jack</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The prevalent 'set top box' will be a PC (and perhaps a Mac).  </p>

<p>I downloaded the adobe media player this week, and once they make it a little slicker than the current BETA version, and once they get a bit more content on there, why would anyone need a set top box?  Channel 4 (in the UK) have a really slick client which operates on a PC.</p>

<p>At the moment TV consumption like this will be limited due to small screens, but I recently did a show touting our own IPTV offering.  I hooked up a PC to a 42in plasma.  Throw in a gyroscopic mouse as well and there is no need WHATSOEVER to have a regular TV/set top box combo.  </p>

<p>With an broadband connected PC plugged in to a decent screen the viewing world is one's oyster.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-03T11:46:18Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from G on 2007-10-10</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>From the horse‚Äôs mouth again -<br />
‚ÄúSet-tops will wait: ‚ÄúWhen broadband reaches a point where 99.9 percent of viewers can watch it all day long without problems with it, then we can do a set-top box.‚Ä?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-mipcom-interview-mike-volpi-ceo-joost-set-tops-will-have-to-wait-exclus/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-mipcom-interview-mike-volpi-ceo-joost-set-tops-will-have-to-wait-exclus/" rel="nofollow">http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-mipcom-interview-mike-volpi-ceo-joost-set-tops-will-have-to-wait-exclus/</a></a></p>

<p>That sure sounds a whole lot more time than 18 months!!!</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-10T16:17:18Z</published>
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