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    <published>2007-10-15T14:25:00Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:08:12Z</updated>
    <title>Attention - NewsGator and Bloglines Join APML Workgroup</title>
    <summary> digg_url = &apos;http://digg.com/tech_news/NewsGator_and_Bloglines_Join_APML_Workgroup&apos;; digg_bgcolor = &apos;#ffffff&apos;; digg_skin = &apos;compact&apos;; Web users interested in personalization, privacy and increasing sophistication in their applications take note: the Attention Data spec APML (Attention Profiling Markup Language) gained substantial momentum today with the announcement that two of the long-time leaders in the RSS reader market, NewsGator and Bloglines, are...</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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type="text/javascript"></script></font><img alt="apmllogo.jpg" align="left" hspace="5px" vspace="5px" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/apmllogo.jpg" width="200"  />Web users interested in personalization, privacy and increasing sophistication in their applications take note: the Attention Data spec APML (Attention Profiling Markup Language) gained substantial momentum today with the announcement that two of the long-time leaders in the RSS reader market, <a href="http://NewsGator.com">NewsGator</a> and <a href="http://bloglines.com">Bloglines</a>, are joining the official <a href="http://apml.org">APML working group</a>.  Nick Bradbury, RSS innovator <em>par excellence</em>, will represent NewsGator in the organization.  GM Eric Engleman will represent Bloglines in the group.   Bradbury <a href="http://nick.typepad.com/blog/2007/10/feeddemon-netne.html">wrote this morning</a> that NewsGator's FeedDemon, NetNewsWire and Newsgator Inbox products will all soon support both APML export <em>and import</em>.  Once that happens users will wonder what's taking everyone else on the market so long to do something so logical themselves.
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Attention Data is one of the concepts online with the most potential - and the most communication struggles (look how long this post is, for one thing!).  Adding NewsGator and Bloglines involvement to the existing support for the movement indicates that things could start shakin'.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>What is This Stuff?</h2>
<p>
Your Attention Data consists of all the information online about what you read, write, share and consume.  Your Attention Profile is a very rich resource that vendors want to get their hands on (in order to target ads more effectively, for example) and that could open up a world of possibilities if you had easy access to it all yourself.
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What is APML?  The spec's website explains it like this: "APML allows users to share their own personal Attention Profile in much the same way that OPML allows the exchange of reading lists between News Readers. The idea is to compress all forms of Attention Data into a portable file format containing a description of ranked user interests."
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When you're able to offer up some or all of your Attention Profile to a new website you join, you could receive personalized recommendations immediately, for example.  For a more extensive introduction to APML see <a href="http://liako.biz/2007/10/explaining-apml-what-it-is-why-you-want-it/">this post by Elias Bizannes</a>.</p>

<h2>Backing</h2>
<p>
Adoption to date has been minimal.  APML working group co-founder and chair Chris Saad's company <a href="http://particls.com/">Particls</a> uses it and his related service called <a href="http://Engagd.com">Engagd</a> (Saad says think <a href="http://aiderss.com">AideRSS</a> for APML - cool!) is used by lifestream aggregator <a href="http://Dandelife.com">Dandelife</a> and APML publisher <a href="http://www.cluztr.com/">Cluztr</a>.  IMified <a href=-"http://blog.imified.com/index.php/2007/10/15/now-with-apml-support/">announced today</a> that their alerts product FeedCrier now supports APML.
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Somehow, though, Saad has been able to assemble a group of industry luminaries to work on APML.  He's a high-energy visionary who lives in Australia - perhaps that helps him avoid the personality conflicts that are believed to have plagued similar efforts to move the Attention conversation forward. The APML working group includes Danny Ayers, Chris Messina, David Cancel from Compete, Steve Williams from Digg, Daniela Barbosa from Dow Jones and <a href="http://www.apml.org/geeks/workgroup/">quite a few others</a>.  It's an impressive list that should be able to build a solid standard and help drive it to market.</p> 

<h2>The Bigger Picture</h2>
<p>
Bloglines first mentioned APML in its recent announcement that it would be supporting OpenID and the cross-application authentication protocol OAuth.  Just like with OpenID - it's one thing to publish to APML, it's another to allow users to import data into your application and it's another thing still to make these standards easy and prominent for your users to take advantage of.
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It's great that the RSS focused companies that have are joining the cause to work this all out - but where are Google, Amazon and Netflix?  They would provide a lot of energy but could throw around a lot of weight in decision making.  I asked <a href="http://attensa.com">Attensa</a>, the most Attention focused feed reader for the past few years, for their thoughts on APML and this is what CTO Eric Hayes had to say on the subject.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Attensa is focused on the enterprise environment where the realities of scaling, security, compliance and confidentiality require a sophisticated approach to sharing AttentionStream data. Our AttentionStream is a rich profile of an individual‚Äôs implicit and explicit attention behaviors that we use to enhance the productivity of individuals by bringing highly relevant content to the forefront of their attention automatically and to streamline collaboration behind the firewall through secure channeled discovery in real time. APML is a subset of the rich Attensa AttentionStream and we see real value in incorporating APML standards in our development.</p></blockquote>
<p>
As Alex Iskold wrote in <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/towards_the_attention_economy_opening_silos.php">an Attention Economy overview</a> here at Read/WriteWeb,</p>
<blockquote><p>"It is certainly a step in the right direction, but it is not rich enough to capture semantic attention. For example, there is no concept of a book or a movie, the attention is represented as a set of tags. Such approach would make it impossible to build specific filters for things like books and movies."</p></blockquote>
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Furthermore, as we discussed here in <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/oauth_one.php">our coverage of the OAuth draft standard</a>, which would make mashups much easier to create than ever before, good services are ultimately more important to users than standards compliant services.</p>

<h2>Conclusion</h2>
<p>
Today's announcements are big - but there's a long way to go.  This is obviously a complicated issue that some people are highly involved with and the rest of the world probably doesn't know much about yet.  We soon will though - many companies are already making huge sums of money off of our attention data.  Someday soon we may be able to use it for our own purposes as well.
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3061-comment:24846</id>
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    <title>Comment from Thomas Huhn on 2007-10-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Thomas Huhn</name>
        <uri>http://yowhassup.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Maybe the future is not so far away. There's one company that really has most of our attention data: Google! And Google is already offering a standards compliant way to pull this data out of their databases: RSS!</p>

<p>Most people are not aware of this. I posted all the details a while ago: <a href="http://yowhassup.com/blog/2007/09/20/about-gmail-attention-data-and-automatic-bookmarking/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://yowhassup.com/blog/2007/09/20/about-gmail-attention-data-and-automatic-bookmarking/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://yowhassup.com/blog/2007/09/20/about-gmail-attention-data-and-automatic-bookmarking/" rel="nofollow">http://yowhassup.com/blog/2007/09/20/about-gmail-attention-data-and-automatic-bookmarking/</a></a></a>.</p>

<p>If Google really holds on to its credo "don‚Äôt be evil", I could imagine that they will even join the APML working group some day...</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-15T17:30:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jon on 2007-10-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jon</name>
        <uri>http://www.cluztr.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Great article Marshall.</p>

<p>APML does have a long way to go, but every journey has to start with a first step, and the APML workgroup has a great bunch of people pushing this to market.</p>

<p>One small note about one of the services that supports APML: Cluztr.com - it is not an APML publisher. It is a social browsing network and clickstream sharing service. It allows you to share your web history with your friends and in the process creates a rich attentio profile of each user. The attention profile can be exported in RSS or APML.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-15T18:48:02Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Anonymous on 2007-10-15</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The apml file creation service from engagd is still in early days and the information contained in those apml files is not very useful at this point.  Maybe in a year or so ...</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-16T00:19:51Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3061-comment:24849</id>
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    <title>Comment from Aaron Mentele on 2007-10-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Aaron Mentele</name>
        <uri>http://charisma18.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Great news.  Congrats to @ChrisSaad and team.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-16T01:14:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Russ on 2007-10-16</title>
    <author>
        <name>Russ</name>
        <uri>http://www.bombay-potatoes.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Is this just navel gazing or will it be widely accepted (unlike openid)</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-16T12:55:20Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jukka on 2007-10-16</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jukka</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>These things are really needed for creating a web for people and not only for companies. </p>

<p>Google and Amazon are not to participate on this kind of activities I assume. Neither is Google even supporting OpenId e.g. for commenting blogger blogs ! They used to say "Don't be evil". I wonder if they still think the same. They are becoming the Microsoft of the network based computing.</p>

<p>Non-presence of Amazon is easier to understand - theier business is fully dependent on their ownership of the attention information ? If I understand the term right.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-16T14:02:51Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Marjolein Hoekstra on 2007-10-16</title>
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        <name>Marjolein Hoekstra</name>
        <uri>http://www.cleverclogs.org</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Congrats on making it to the frontpage of Digg, Marshall. </p>

<p>Quite a few vendors (Web 2.0 tech start-ups, RSS tool vendors) are seriously exploring implementing APML at the moment. Just track "APML" on Google Blog Search and on Twitter and you'll see several mentions. It's not so much the development effort but a certain mindset and the desire to solve a real pain. </p>

<p>For examples of what a personal APML-based tag cloud could look like, visit the Cluztr widgets page: <a href="http://www.cluztr.com/community/widgets/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.cluztr.com/community/widgets/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cluztr.com/community/widgets/</a></a></p>

<p>More on the topics privacy and credibility and on the over-all benefits of Google Reader implementing APML in Elias Bizannes' excellent, just-published essay "How Google Reader can finally start making money". URL: <a href="http://liako.biz/2007/10/how-google-reader-can-finally-start-making-money/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://liako.biz/2007/10/how-google-reader-can-finally-start-making-money/" rel="nofollow">http://liako.biz/2007/10/how-google-reader-can-finally-start-making-money/</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-16T16:05:38Z</published>
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