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    <published>2007-10-25T15:39:17Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:08:16Z</updated>
    <title>When Did A Fake Blogger Become a Reliable Source?</title>
    <summary> digg_url = &apos;http://digg.com/tech_news/Since_when_did_a_Fake_Blogger_Steve_become_a_Reliable_Source&apos;; digg_bgcolor = &apos;#ffffff&apos;; digg_skin = &apos;compact&apos;; There are not one, but two stories on Techmeme this morning broken by Fake Steve Jobs, a.k.a. Forbes&apos; Daniel Lyons. Both were repeated on a number of blogs. Yes, we know who Fake Steve is now, and yes he&apos;s a credible reporter working for a...</summary>
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      <name>Josh Catone</name>
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<script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js" type="text/javascript"></script></font><img border="0" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/dan-lyons.jpg" align="left" hspace="5" vspace="5" width="160" height="137" />There are not one, but <i>two</i> stories on Techmeme this morning broken by <a href="http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/">Fake Steve Jobs</a>, a.k.a. Forbes' Daniel Lyons.  Both were repeated on a number of blogs.  Yes, we know who Fake Steve is now, and yes he's a credible reporter working for a respected publication, but bear in mind that these stories were reported with no sources and on the blog of a fictional character.  Yet, they were taken at face value by a number of prominent bloggers.</p>

<p>The first story Lyon's "broke" was about the supposed imminent demise of <a href="http://www.podtech.net/">PodTech</a>.  "Well, they've had a good run but apparently the Casa de Scoble is heading for the big sleep," wrote Lyons. "Or is it the dirt nap? I can never remember. No announcement yet but we hear it's imminent."  It was picked up by <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/24/podtech-heading-towards-the-deadpool/">TechCrunch</a>, <a href="http://valleywag.com/tech/online-video/why-am-i-writing-about-fake-steve-jobs-blogging-about-scoble-314789.php">Valleywag</a> and <a href="http://www.techmeme.com/071024/p160#a071024p160">others</a> and repeated as if the original source was, well, Lyons and not his fictional persona (the one that just released a book).</p>

<p>PodTech VP Robert Scoble responded this morning by <a href="http://scobleizer.com/2007/10/25/reports-of-podtechs-demise-are-bull/">ripping into the reports</a> as "total, 100% bull####. Not even deserving of a response."</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>The other major story Fake Steve "reported" on was a rumored <a href="http://www.techmeme.com/071025/p12#a071025p12">$500 million investment</a> in Facebook by a pair of hedgefunds.  Oh wait, I mean "Faceberg" and "hedgetards."   At <a href="http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/2007/10/24/#002730">IP Democracy</a> they ran the story with the text, "Despite the satirical nature of the blog, this looks real."  Certainly, of the two "scoops" Lyons issued through his persona, this is probably the more credible given that rumors of an additional investment in Facebook from VCs or hedgefunds alongside Microsoft have been floating around since before the deal was announced yesterday.  Further, Lyons' colleague Elizabeth Corcoran <a href="http://blogs.forbes.com/meetblog/2007/10/facebook-making.html">repeated the rumor</a> on a Forbes blog this morning (though it is unclear whether she has her own sources, or her source is Fake Steve...).</p>

<p>Even if the Facebook investment rumor pans out, since when is a fictional persona who appends the suffix "tard" to just about every other word a credible source?  Even if the voice behind Fake Steve is a real reporter, it doesn't seem wise to report rumors that emanate from his blog as if they're coming from Lyons and not his character.  If Lyons has real news to report, he should be responsible in his reporting and use Forbes (or the <a href="http://blogs.forbes.com/meetblog/">Forbes tech blog</a>) as his outlet.  His fictional persona is just that, a fictional persona, and anything it says should be taken with about as much salt as an ocean.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Dan Schawbel on 2007-10-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dan Schawbel</name>
        <uri>http://feeds.feedburner.com/personalbrandingblog</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Clearly, his personal brand is divided and he has to represent himself in multiple ways.  It's just like me blogging for EMC and then blogging for personal branding on the side. You need 2 hats, not 1.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T16:36:50Z</published>
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    <id>tag:72.47.210.69,2007://1.3131-comment:25370</id>
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    <title>Comment from Scott Andreas on 2007-10-25</title>
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        <name>Scott Andreas</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hey Josh,</p>

<p>Thanks for writing - love R/WW.  Might want to double-check the links, though.</p>

<p>FSJ posted Scoble's retort that PodTech is shifting business plans, but unless the new plan is to provide pollution and air quality monitoring solutions, the Podtech link should probably point to PodTech.net.</p>

<p>Cheers,</p>

<p>Scott</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T16:46:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Rob La Gesse on 2007-10-25</title>
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        <uri>http://lagesse.org</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>You have the wrong link for Podtech - it should be <a href="http://podtech.net." rel="nofollow"><a href="http://podtech.net." rel="nofollow">http://podtech.net.</a></a></p>

<p>Rob</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T16:51:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Josh Catone on 2007-10-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks Scott and Rob -- PodTech link corrected.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T17:04:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from look on 2007-10-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Reliable??? you are all amateurs..the fact that you give it attention says it all...</p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T17:11:08Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from marcello09 on 2007-10-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My impression is that this sort of thing is becoming even more common throughout the internet. One blogger reports a rumor without credible sources, another blogger repeats the allegations without checking the sources, and next thing you know it's all over the blogosphere and spilling over into the mainstream media.</p>

<p>Then the old adage kicks in: if a lie is repeated often enough, people will mistake it for the truth. I can recall one situation where the blogger who originated a false rumor finally admitted that he got it completely wrong, but unfortunately the damage had already been done.</p>

<p>All of this could be prevented with a little skepticism, which is what professional reporters -- and presumably professional bloggers -- are supposed to have in the first place. But if the bloggers aren't skeptical, the rest of us should be.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T18:02:08Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from William Tildesley on 2007-10-25</title>
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        <name>William Tildesley</name>
        <uri>http://www.iforgothemilk.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have to agree.</p>

<p>Personally I don't really subscribe to Valleywag, FSJ, etc.<br />
I find myself sticking with mainstream media bloggers, such as the folks over at the guardian newspaper.</p>

<p>Until bloggers learn to research their facts and figures, well then every sensible person will be sticking with the main stream media, some of whom don't do a bad job of reporting it.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T20:05:36Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from marcel wei√ü on 2007-10-25</title>
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        <name>marcel wei√ü</name>
        <uri>http://www.neunetz.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>this article is spot on. excactly the reason why I prefer rww over tc these days.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T20:14:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Cynthia Brumfield on 2007-10-25</title>
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        <name>Cynthia Brumfield</name>
        <uri>http://www.ipdemocracy.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I wrote the piece in IP Democracy that you reference. I've got to say that I've seen a lot of outright crud flowing from so-called "non-fake" journalists working for mainstream publications, bad stuff that gets linked all over the place.  Nobody seems to question when that happens.</p>

<p>When Daniel Lyons, even posing as FSJ, writes something that seems to be a legitimate scoop, as this item did (no links to other sources and not really intended to amuse), why is it so wrong to flag that for people?</p>

<p>Can't we all use our judgment in deciding what's worthy of discussion whether it comes from a third-rate professional journalist or a first-rate professional journalist posing as a fake blogger? Yeah, I admit the categorization gets a little weird, but are you saying that Dan Lyons may never, ever stray from his little circumscribed role as a parodist because that would be too mind-blowing or something?  </p>

<p>Hasn't the Internet taught us that the old ways of doing things are now up for grabs?  Many bloggers are now journalists, many journalists are now bloggers.  We all have to exercise judgment these days because there are so many sources of information out there, and most are not good.</p>

<p>And sometimes solid information can come in the most unexpected ways.  I think that's what happened here.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T20:51:51Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from marcello09 on 2007-10-25</title>
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        <name>marcello09</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Cynthia,</p>

<p>I'm not sure exactly what your point is, but if you're trying to suggest that "it's okay" for bloggers to publish rumors because "everyone else does it", I couldn't agree less. </p>

<p>The internet has revolutionized much of our culture, but the principles of journalistic integrity haven't changed a bit. Either you've done your homework and validated your sources or you haven't. Whether your work appears in print, on television, or on the internet is irrelevant.</p>

<p>I'm aware that many information outlets have thrown journalistic integrity in the dumpster in a quest for higher ratings or catering to a particular niche audience. But the inevitable result is that only the least intelligent consumers will regard these outlets as reliable. I hope that's not the audience that you're trying to please.</p>

<p>Of course, everyone should exercise a healthy skepticism regardless of the source of information -- even reliable sources get it wrong sometimes. But if journalists and bloggers continue their race to the bottom of the integrity barrel, intelligent consumers won't bother with skepticism. We'll simply not believe a single word that any of you write.</p>

<p>cheers, Marcello</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T21:52:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jono on 2007-10-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jono</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I agree with this posting 110%.</p>

<p>The weirdest thing about all of this was the way Scoble got so mad - and then proceeded to blame Daniel Lyons! It's not his fault that a whole lot of blogs reported as truth something said by a FAKE character on a SATIRICAL blog.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T23:07:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Cynthia Brumfield on 2007-10-25</title>
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        <name>Cynthia Brumfield</name>
        <uri>http://www.ipdemocracy.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Marcello,</p>

<p>I'm most decidedly not saying that bloggers should publish rumors just because other bloggers are.  In fact, I'm saying the opposite -- everybody has to exercise judgment, regardless of whether it's a blogger or journalist or something in between. </p>

<p>What I am saying is that just because Dan Lyons is a parodist (as well as bona fide journalist, btw) doesn't mean that he always has to stick to that format.  Some people are suggesting that because he usually writes satire in his blog, that his blog must always be viewed as strictly satire.  If he has something "real" to say, or so this post seems to suggest, he must go elsewhere.</p>

<p>That's kind of rigid thinking, wouldn't you agree?</p>

<p>(p.s.  sorry for all the above comment posts.  I kept getting error messages and didn't realize I was actually posting multiple times...can someone delete, oh, three of my comment posts?)</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-25T23:34:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Amrit Hallan - Content Blog on 2007-10-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Amrit Hallan - Content Blog</name>
        <uri>http://www.contentblog.net</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Funny :-). May be these two scoops should have appeared on Guy Kawasaki's rumors website.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-26T10:14:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Alexis Brion on 2007-10-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Alexis Brion</name>
        <uri>http://www.designvsart.com/blog/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>There are so many people trying to build a good reputation for their blogs, why should be care about the others?</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-26T15:00:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Nick Jones on 2007-10-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Nick Jones</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I sympathise with Scoble, even though I can see what Lyons seeks to achieve with his site.</p>

<p>The satire is mostly fine*, but it's the lazy repetition of 'facts' that other bloggers trot out, that makes me uncomfortable. As Scoble points out, his phone number is on his site and not one person called to corroborate what FSJ had posted.</p>

<p>*did Lyons REALLY have to dig the knife in on the follow-up post? Seemed kinda personal.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-10-26T16:55:14Z</published>
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