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    <title>Social Graph &amp; Beyond: Tim Berners-Lee&apos;s Graph is The Next Level</title>
    <summary>Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the World Wide Web, today published a blog post about what he terms the Graph, which is similar (if not identical) to his Semantic Web vision. Referencing both Brad Fitzpatrick&apos;s influential post earlier this year on Social Graph, and our own Alex Iskold&apos;s analysis of Social Graph concepts, Berners-Lee went on...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1301/1339026964_4bd15af6ef_m.jpg" vspace="5" hspace="5" border="0" align="right" />Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the World Wide Web, today <a href="http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/215">published a blog post</a> about what he terms the Graph, which is similar (if not identical) to his Semantic Web vision. Referencing both Brad Fitzpatrick's <a href="http://bradfitz.com/social-graph-problem/">influential post</a> earlier this year on Social Graph, and our own Alex Iskold's analysis of <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/social_graph_concepts_and_issues.php">Social Graph concepts</a>, Berners-Lee went on to position the Graph as the third main &quot;level&quot; of computer networks. First there was the Internet, then the Web, and now the Graph - which Sir Tim labeled (somewhat tongue in cheek) the Giant Global Graph!  </p>
<p>Note that Berners-Lee wasn't specifically talking about the Social Graph, which is the term Facebook has been heavily promoting, but something more general. In a nutshell, this is how Berners-Lee envisions the 3 levels (a.k.a. layers of abstraction):</p>
<p>1. The Internet: links computers<br />
2. Web: links documents<br />
3. Graph: links relationships between people and/or documents -- &quot;the things documents are about&quot; as Berners-Lee put it.</p>
<p>The Graph is all about connections and re-use of data. Berners-Lee wrote that Semantic Web technologies will enable this:</p>
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  <p>&quot;So, if only we could express these relationships, such as my social graph, in a way that is above the level of documents, then we would get re-use. That's just what the graph does for us. We have the technology -- it is Semantic Web technology, starting with RDF OWL and SPARQL.  Not magic bullets, but the tools which allow us to break free of the document layer.&quot;</p>
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<p>Sir Tim also notes that as we go up each level, we lose more control but gain more benefits: &quot;...at each layer --- Net, Web, or Graph --- we have ceded some control for greater benefits.&quot; The benefits are what happens when documents and data are connected - for example being able to re-use our personal and friends data across multiple social networks, which is what Google's OpenSocial <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/why_open_social_matters.php">aims to achieve</a>.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>What's more, says Berners-Lee, the Graph has major implications for the <strong>Mobile Web</strong>. He said that longer term &quot;thinking in terms of the graph rather than the web is critical to us making best use of the mobile web, the zoo of wildy differing devices which will give us access to the system.&quot; The following scenario sums it up very nicely:</p>
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  <p>&quot;Then, when I book a flight it is the flight that interests me. Not the flight page on the travel site, or the flight page on the airline site, but the URI (issued by the airlines) of the flight itself. That's what I will bookmark. And whichever device I use to look up the bookmark, phone or office wall, it will access a situation-appropriate view of an integration of everything I know about that flight from different sources. The task of booking and taking the flight will involve many interactions. And all throughout them, that task and the flight will be primary things in my awareness, the websites involved will be secondary things, and the network and the devices tertiary.&quot;</p>
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<h2>Conclusion</h2>
<p>I'm very pleased Tim Berners-Lee has appropriated the concept of the Social Graph and married it to his own vision of the Semantic Web. What Berners-Lee wrote today goes way beyond Facebook, OpenSocial, or social networking in general. It is about how we interact with data on the Web (whether it be mobile or PC or a device like the Amazon Kindle) and the connections that we can take advantage of using the network. This is also why <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_new_era_of_semantic_apps.php">Semantic Apps</a> are so interesting right now, as they take data connection to the next level on the Web.</p>
<p>Overall, unlike <a href="http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2007/11/is_the_social_g.php">Nick Carr</a>, I'm not concerned whether mainstream people accept the term 'Graph' or 'Social Graph'. It really doesn't matter, so long as the web apps that people use <em>enable</em> them to participate in this 'next level' of the Web. That's what Google, Facebook, and a lot of other companies are trying to achieve.</p>
<p>Incidentally, it's great to see Tim Berners-Lee 're-using' concepts like the Social Graph, or simply taking inspiration from them. He never really took to the Web 2.0 concept, perhaps because it became too hyped and commercialized, but the fact is that the Consumer Web has given us many innovations over the past few years. Everything from Google to YouTube to MySpace to Facebook. So even though Sir Tim has always been about graphs (as he noted in his post, the Graph is essentially the same as the Semantic Web), it's fantastic he is reaching out to the 'web 2.0' community and citing people like Brad Fitzpatrick and Alex Iskold.</p>
<p><strong>Related:</strong> check out Alex Iskold's <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/social_graph_concepts_and_issues.php">Social Graph: Concepts and Issues</a> for an overview of the theory behind Social Graph. This is the post Tim Berners-Lee referenced. Also check out Alex's latest post today: <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/why_open_social_matters.php">R/WW Thanksgiving: Thank You Google for Open Social (Or, Why Open Social Really Matters)</a>.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Search‚óä Engines Web on 2007-11-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Search‚óä Engines Web</name>
        <uri>http://searchengines.wordpress.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Internet does not just link computers - NETWORKS do that.</p>

<p>The Internet links networks.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T05:40:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Nick Vidal on 2007-11-23</title>
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        <name>Nick Vidal</name>
        <uri>http://iss.im</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>ISS is a set of open standards that help people publish their social graph. But differently from FOAF and XFN, it publishes what really matters: i.e. how are Alice and Bob connected semantically and over time. Please check the website and the two proposed formats:<br />
<ul><br />
        <li><a href="http://iss.im/" rel="nofollow">ISS</a>: Instant Syndicating Standards;</li><br />
	<li><a href="http://iss.im/node/21" rel="nofollow">TagCloud</a>: associates each individual with their own tags;</li><br />
	<li><a href="http://iss.im/node/22" rel="nofollow">TagLink</a>: connect these tags through a trusted network of people.</li><br />
</ul></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T10:24:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Paul M. Watson on 2007-11-23</title>
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        <name>Paul M. Watson</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Apologies for being pedantic but he doesn't say the Graph links only people and documents. That is limiting the scope of the Graph and Semantic Web by forcing the inclusion of a person in every link. Things can link to things. Some of those things are people, some are documents and so on.</p>

<p>The web is about a lot more than just a social network.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T10:27:36Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Okinawa on 2007-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Okinawa</name>
        <uri>http://www.hdrjapan.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The internet links people's thoughts and ideas, not computers.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T10:57:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Abhishek on 2007-11-23</title>
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        <name>Abhishek</name>
        <uri>http://abhishek.tiwari.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>

<p>I dont think OpenSocial is aiming to allow sharing of graph data. It would be awesome if they did.</p>

<p>I dont think any of the services would allow that. Most services rely on the fact that you have your friends and family on their network. In most cases the graph itself becomes a killer app for these services.</p>

<p>Speaking of global graphs, I recently wrote about a need for conolidated graph owned by the user. Check it out and let me know what you think.</p>

<p><a href="http://abhishek.tiwari.com/2007/11/18/free-the-social-graph/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://abhishek.tiwari.com/2007/11/18/free-the-social-graph/" rel="nofollow">http://abhishek.tiwari.com/2007/11/18/free-the-social-graph/</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T15:24:20Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from 113.com on 2007-11-23</title>
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        <name>113.com</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The "graph" moniker is great.. just like "web"..<br />
or at least no worse than "social"..</p>

<p>Though GGG would remind us too much of GOOG...<br />
likely to become Google Global Graph, instead<br />
of Giant Global Graph..</p>

<p>Anyway, I love Google ;) So, can accept it<br />
either way ;-) /ac.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T15:55:18Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ralf on 2007-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ralf</name>
        <uri>http://www.line-of-reasoning.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Tim Berners-Lee view of the graph goes beyond the hyped "social graph" concept, but just applying the "social graph" concept to Gmail or Google Docs would increase the value for users and push these well known services on to the "next level":<br />
<a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/inbox-20-yahoo-and-google-to-turn-e-mail-into-a-social-network/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/inbox-20-yahoo-and-google-to-turn-e-mail-into-a-social-network/" rel="nofollow">http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/inbox-20-yahoo-and-google-to-turn-e-mail-into-a-social-network/</a></a><br />
<a href="http://www.line-of-reasoning.com/solutions/googles-universal-search-to-search-gmail-google-documents-and-social-networks/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.line-of-reasoning.com/solutions/googles-universal-search-to-search-gmail-google-documents-and-social-networks/" rel="nofollow">http://www.line-of-reasoning.com/solutions/googles-universal-search-to-search-gmail-google-documents-and-social-networks/</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T16:49:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jeffrey Carr on 2007-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jeffrey Carr</name>
        <uri>http://www.intelfusion.net</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Having Berners-Lee adopt this tool for social network analysis is very promising. I'm in the process of evaluating its potential as a tool in uncovering terrorist relationships in online cells. I posted some additional research in this area at <a href="http://www.intelfusion.net." rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.intelfusion.net." rel="nofollow">http://www.intelfusion.net.</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T17:37:08Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mike Bonifer on 2007-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mike Bonifer</name>
        <uri>http://www.gamechangers.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Any form of human communication has three components to it:  </p>

<p>Cosmetic.  The dialogue (in the form of documents, conversations, emails, IMs, etc.) and pure information we exchange with one another.  Documents, according to Berners-Lee.</p>

<p>Metaphorical.  The symbolic elements of our communication.  Branding.  Graphical.  The groups we belong to.  The badges we wear.  The gods we worship.  These are ideas around which networks form -- the Web, in Berners-Lee's vernacular. </p>

<p>Emotional.  This is by far the most important level of communication.  It where meaning resides, and where evolution transpires. It is about what we truly desire.  What we believe in.  What moves and connects us.  This is the Berners-Lee's Semantic level, except I think it's not about what connects people and documents -- it's about what connects people via documents.  </p>

<p>We are still in the primitive era of the Networked World, but by proposing the 'missing link' in the internet's communication hierarchy, Berners-Lee is saying something I could not agree with more -- that in order for the web (and the seedling cultures growing from it) to evolve, it will have to connect us on the most meaningful level, the emotional one.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T18:45:50Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2007-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
        <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Paul, #2, I added "and/or" to the third bullet point to clarify.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T22:18:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Olive on 2007-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Olive</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
Can we use this "graph" to deduce whether TBL is related to Popeye?</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-23T22:33:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Yihong Ding on 2007-11-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>Yihong Ding</name>
        <uri>http://yihongs-research.blogspot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have <a href="http://yihongs-research.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">an analysis</a> of Tim's vision of GGG. Maybe you would like to watch. I think it is a transition from the publisher-oriented web to viewer-oriented web.</p>

<p>-- Yihong</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-11-24T21:24:33Z</published>
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