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    <published>2007-12-09T21:14:45Z</published>
    <updated>2007-12-16T23:08:35Z</updated>
    <title>Top Web Apps in Germany, Redux - But How Many Are Global?</title>
    <summary>In July 2006 Read/WriteWeb posted the first in what was to be a long and fruitful series on International web apps. The first post was on Germany, inspired at the time by The Museum of Modern Betas. This was when German social bookmarking site Mr Wong had a controversial cartoon logo! [they recently announced the...</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img border="0" src="http://static.flickr.com/64/200254907_41e08831b6_m.jpg"
align="left" hspace="5" vspace="5" />In July 2006 Read/WriteWeb posted the first in what was to be a long and fruitful series on International web apps. <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/top_ten_german.php">The first post was on Germany</a>, inspired at the time by <a href="http://momb.socio-kybernetics.net/blog/beta-quotient-germany">The Museum of Modern Betas</a>. This was when German social bookmarking site Mr Wong had a controversial cartoon logo! [they recently <a href="http://blog.mister-wong.com/and-the-winner-is%e2%80%a6/2007/12/06/">announced the finalists</a> in their search for a new, less politically incorrect, logo] So it's fitting that we look again at Germany now, nearly 1.5 years later. It's also kind of ironic that The Museum of Modern Betas creator Markus Spath is now blogging for Blognation, which I'm sure took some inspiration for their network from RWW's International series - which ran for about a year, ending with <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/top_web_apps_in_canada.php">Canada in June '07</a>. It's a virtuous circle of influences!</p>
<p>In his latest post for Blognation Germany, Markus rounds up <a href="http://de.blognation.com/2007/12/09/the-100-most-popular-web-20-sites-from-germany/">The 100 Most Popular Web 2.0 Sites From Germany</a>. Following is the top 20 -- what struck me about it is that most of them are local sites and haven't got a global audience (or if they have then it's in a tiny niche market). The obvious exception is Pageflakes, but they are now based in Silicon Valley. So what does this say about the Internationalization of the Web? Are companies in Germany and elsewhere content to capture a sizeable local audience, and not go for the global market? Interested to read your thoughts... and we may re-start our International series again, to explore that theme.</p>]]>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/pageflakes.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.pageflakes.com/">pageflakes</a> (7129) &#8211; a start page and personal news aggregator</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/mindmeister.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.mindmeister.com/">mindmeister</a> (5679) &#8211; lets you create, manage and share mind maps online</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/ultimate-flash-face.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://flashface.ctapt.de/">ultimate-flash-face</a> (4196) &#8211; fun site which lets you assemble faces via a minimalistic interface</td>

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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/websnapr.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.websnapr.com/">websnapr</a> (2318) &#8211; lets you capture screenshots of web pages or provide (slightly annoying) hyperlink target thumbnails</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/faviconcc.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.favicon.cc/">favicon.cc</a> (2199) &#8211; create and share favicons</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/amberjack.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://amberjack.org/">amberjack</a> (2112) &#8211; lets you easily create site tours of your website</td>

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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/mypictr.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://mypictr.com/">mypictr</a> (2025) &#8211; a picture resizing service (e.g. to to create a custom profile avatar for social networks)</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/musicmesh.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.musicmesh.net/">musicmesh</a> (1770) &#8211; aggregates music videos from YouTube in an interesting way</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/studivz.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.studivz.net/">studiverzeichnis</a> (1653) &#8211; Germany‚Äôs largest social network for students and was largely inspired by Facebook. Earlier this year it was acquired by Holtzbrinck for an estimated 80 million euros.</td>

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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/pixerus.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://pixer.us/">pixer.us</a> (1621) &#8211; edit your photos online using only your browser</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/popurius.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://popuri.us/">popuri.us</a> (1560) &#8211; check the link popularity of any site based on its ranking, social bookmarks, subscribers and more</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/logo-creatr.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://creatr.cc/creatr/">logo-creatr</a> (1455) &#8211; lets you instantly create Web 2.0 compliant logos</td>

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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/xing.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.xing.com/">xing</a> (1278) &#8211; a popular social network for business professionals. Xing went public in December 2006.</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/spreadshirt.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.spreadshirt.net/">spreadshirt</a> (1014) &#8211; lets you design and sell your own T Shirts (and accessories.)</td>
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<td><a href="http://www.de.map24.com/">map24</a> (994) &#8211; provides various map services, was acquired recently by <a href="http://de.blognation.com/2007/11/11/mapsolute-acquired-by-navteq-for-40-million/">Navteq</a> </td>

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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/chefkock.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.chefkoch.de/">chefkoch</a> (904) &#8211; a food and recipes community</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/fotocommunity.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.fotocommunity.de/">fotocommunity</a> (852) &#8211; online community for photography</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/misterwong.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.mister-wong.de/">mister-wong</a> (786) &#8211; Germany‚Äôs most popular social bookmarking service</td>

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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/seitwert.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.seitwert.de/">seitwert</a> (729) &#8211; calculates the popularity of your site at various search engines</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/plazes.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.plazes.com/">plazes</a> (675) &#8211; detects your location and connects you to people and places nearby</td>
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<td><img src="http://hackr.de/blognationimg/photocase.gif" alt="" /></td>
<td><a href="http://www.photocase.com/">photocase</a> (606) &#8211; a community for photographers</td>

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    <title>Comment from Christian on 2007-12-09</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this interesting compilation! However, there is one really interesting and promising web app you forgot to list:<br />
aka-aki (www.aka-aki.com)<br />
To my mind, it is one of the most promising mobile community projects out there and deserves being watched closely. Currently, the site exists only in German (closed beta), nevertheless it is apparently interesting genough to get on Techcrunch's radar:<br />
<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/11/the-holy-grail-for-mobile-social-networks/" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/11/the-holy-grail-for-mobile-social-networks/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/09/11/the-holy-grail-for-mobile-social-networks/</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2007-12-09T22:25:33Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Philipp on 2007-12-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Philipp</name>
        <uri>http://www.joinr.de</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This toplist, Blognation created, is really senseless. They count delicious bookmarks, sort them by numbers of bookmarks and call the result "top 100 web apps in germany". </p>

<p>There are a lot of german sites, which arent mentioned in this list, but okay. To cut a long story short: its not a top 100 list, its a list of "web apps with the most bookmarks". Nothing more.</p>

<p>Back to topic: StudiVZ, Xing, Spreadshirt, Mister Wong and Plazes are international. The most of the others in the list are more "fun projects" than anything else. Take a look at "Seitwert", "popurius", "logo creator" and so on.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-12-10T00:12:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Simon on 2007-12-09</title>
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        <name>Simon</name>
        <uri>http://applebox.com.au</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>'But' implies a negative. If these companies are meeting their revenue forecasts and surviving with a local audience, perhaps they've achieved their goals? Seems to me local is a good place to start, where you can leverage any local, cultural and language barriers to keep the globals at bay.</p>

<p>Outside the US where funding is harder to come by, years of no revenue and a visionary push for huge traffic (wherein valuation pay-day is finally hit) is that much harder. Perhaps they can monetize earlier locally, albeit at a smaller valuation.</p>

<p>But for those sites that are generic, and could easily have global application, are the digerati too knowledgable and prefer to stick with the high profile alternatives?</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-12-10T02:07:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Markus on 2007-12-10</title>
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        <name>Markus</name>
        <uri>http://de.blognation.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks Richard!</p>

<p>Philipp's comment kinda misses the point because the list does not claim to represent anything else:</p>

<p>"This list is based on counting the number of bookmarks of about 1,000 services from Germany we are aware of at the bookmarking service del.icio.us. While it is hard to find significant metrics for measuring the popularity of sites, it‚Äôs even harder to access reliable data for any metric for all sites. Going with del.icio.us is straightforward, but not necessarily an indicator for a large number of active users, traffic or economic potential.</p>

<p>"Sites which are available in English do have a competitive advantage at del.icio.us compared to sites which are in German only. Sites which have been around for a while have an advantage compared to services which launched this year or a few weeks ago. A few of the most popular sites in this list are useful and focused but rather smallish tools which attracted a lot of bookmarks because they made it on del.icio.us‚Äô hotlist. The list misses a few popular or interesting services, but overall the heuristics works fine."</p>

<p>Blame me for being a bit overambitious with the title, but please take this list lightly and for what it is. It is a bit unfortunate that useful but small tools occupy the top spots though, maybe I should have filtered by language.</p>

<p>A datapoint regarding your observation that there are not that many sites which directly strive to go global: based on the sample of 1,000 sites only 5% come in English only (e.g. Marshall covered lifestrea.ms recently, there are a few interesting sites emerging around lifestreams / decentralized social networks here), I don't have detailed numbers on how many provide localizations, but make it another 10% to the max. The rest happily serves the Germany market only.</p>

<p>I don't want to fill this copycat argument but a lot of sites from Germany really just adapt and reinterpret an existing idea to the local market (e.g. we've got 15 Twitter clones, but there is a German aequivalent to basically every service) and often it makes perfect sense to harvest a smaller market which still is big enough (e.g. bad Facebook clone StudiVZ just topped 5 billion PIs in a month) and not bother competing where nothing can be won anyways anymore. But we also have seen that once a site has established itself in Germany it then expands internationally and strikes back a few times (e.g. Qype, Mister Wong, Verwandt, Sevenload, StudiVZ), sometimes successfully so, sometimes not so much.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-12-10T17:44:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Olaf on 2007-12-11</title>
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        <name>Olaf</name>
        <uri>http://www.olafjacobi.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this interesting article! You listed some of the interesting German web apps. But (to be honest) - some of the unique and original web apps (which are no copies) are not listed.<br />
I would like to take the liberty to focus on one unique and brand new web app: Trupoli (www.trupoli.com)</p>

<p>It is one of the most promising community and rating projects as far as politics as well as web-democracy is concerned.<br />
Currently, the site exists only in German but the team already plans to internationalize.</p>]]>
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    <published>2007-12-11T11:56:39Z</published>
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