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    <published>2008-01-30T05:57:21Z</published>
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    <title>Beyond Vertical Search to Business Networks</title>
    <summary> Vertical Search is one of those confusing terms that means many different things, depending on where you are coming from. To most RWW readers, Vertical Search tends to mean &#8220;the search space that Google has not yet grabbed and that does not require a major technology breakthrough such as natural language search&#8221;. That&#8217;s a...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[ <p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/vertical_search_jan08.jpg" />Vertical Search is one of those confusing terms that means many different things, depending on where you are coming from. To most RWW readers, Vertical Search tends to mean &#8220;the search space that Google has not yet grabbed and that does not require a major technology breakthrough such as natural language search&#8221;. That&#8217;s a good enough definition from a start-up perspective. For traditional media, Vertical Search is also about creating a space that Google cannot simply steamroll over. Traditional media may call it Rich Data or Information Services or Data Products, but the end goal is the same.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>For the sake of consistency I will continue to call this Vertical Search, although the opportunity is deeper than simply search. In fact, in order to build sustainable advantage against the Google steamroller, it has to be deeper than just search.</p>
<p>As Alex Iskold explained recently, <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_custom_search_vertical_search.php">Google Custom Search is setting the bar for Vertical Search Engines</a>. This looks like a smart play by Google and they will grab the big low hanging fruit very well. For example, search for something related to healthcare and you can see that Google already understands concepts such as Symptoms and Treatment.</p>
<p>That still leaves a lot of opportunities within niches that may look small at first glance (and which won&#8217;t justify any focused effort by Google). You can dismiss these niches as &#8220;picking up peanuts in front of a steamroller&#8221; but when the speed and direction of the steamroller is fairly clear, there are lots of opportunities if you are agile and quick on your toes :-) </p>
<p>You may also be surprised by how much money can be made in small niches. My favorite unglamorous niche is ASI, the <a href="http://www.asicentral.com/asp/open/AboutASI/index.asp">Advertising Specialty Institute</a>. Their business is &#8220;promotional products&#8221; or as they put in their site: &#8220;think of all those freebies like  mugs and T-shirts you see at trade shows&#8221;. It is an $18.6bn industry which is pretty small (compared to the big markets targeted by vertical search start-ups) . Yet a few years ago ASI&#8217;s revenues were well north of $50m and they were highly profitable and growing at a reasonable clip. This type of niche won&#8217;t get you on the front cover of Fortune but it could make you rich.</p>

<p>ASI is more than vertical search, a lot more, but the core of the business is data about their industry. That data enables them to take small slices of lots of interactions within their market. They have become a &#8220;business network&#8221;. More on that later.</p>
<p>First, lets look at who the players are in this market:</p>
<ol>
<li><b>Start-ups</b>. Most Vertical Search start-ups (at least the visible ones) operate in broad, large scale markets that are primarily consumer-centric. Many of these have been covered before in Read Write Web, specifically <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/vertical_search.php">this post in September &#8216;06</a>.  The big sectors are travel, finance, consumer electronics and health. These markets are the big low hanging fruit that pass the addressable market size hurdle set by Venture Capital; this also makes them the most vulnerable to Google.</li>
<li><b>Traditional B2B and specialty enthusiast publishers</b>. This market comprises lots of small niches, micro niches if you like; think &#8220;Waste Haulage&#8221; or &#8220;Pig and Poultry&#8221; (those are real titles of B2B magazines). Think  Trainspotters Monthly as an example of a specialty enthusiast publisher (I made that one up). This is the long tail of business publishing. Traditional B2B publishers have two big advantages. First, their long established brand (and the trust that it represents) and second, decades of domain expertise. They also have two big hurdles. The first is that they have traditionally been weak on technology; that is relatively easy to fix by partnering with technology vendors. The second hurdle is that Vertical Search is one of many lines of business (and it is currently a small % of their total revenues) and their core lines of business are under threat; Vertical Search therefore does not usually get the senior management attention and investment capital that is needed to win.</li>

<li><b>The mass market online players (Google, Yahoo, Microsoft)</b>. They are grabbing the large low hanging niche markets and butting heads with those VC funded Vertical Search start-ups; but there is no Google team going after the Pig and Poultry market (AFAIK).</li>
<li><b>Vendors including:</b>
<ul></ul>
<p><b>* Technology</b>. This includes search engines, scrapers, tagging tools, XML databases, research workflow, subscriptions/billing and more.</p>
<ul></ul>
<p><b>* Data research services</b>. Many sites rely entirely on aggregating, filtering and displaying open content from other sites. Other sites like to add proprietary data that needs to be collected by traditional market research techniques.</li>
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<p>There are also a few small niche consulting firms providing strategic advice, usually through some mix of research reports, seminars and workshops. Financing is often provided or arranged through a number of specialist &#8220;boutique&#8221; investment bankers and Private Equity investors specializing in this market.</p>

<p>Vertical Search sites typically provide one of three main types of data:</p>
<ol>
<li><b>Lead Generation</b> (contact details with enough data to target effectively for selling or recruiting). The value proposition is obvious. The danger is that these databases simply become tools for spammers. Every publisher does &#8220;list rental&#8221;, which means providing the list of subscribers to marketers; that can easily degrade into spamming. One intelligent approach is something like LinkedIn, where the person has control over what data is provided. Another intelligent approach is to provide enough depth of data to allow highly targeted marketing. One example is <a href="http://www.computingmi.co.uk/">Computing Market Intelligence</a> in the UK. People usually don&#8217;t mind a pitch if it is  highly relevant and targeted to their current situation.</li>
<li><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight:bold;">Pricing Guides in opaque markets</span>. The best examples create lock-in by becoming the authoritative source for the industry. There is plenty of news, comment and analysis in most markets that are free to the audience (i.e. paid by advertising); but it is still difficult to get hard data that answers the question &#8220;how much would it cost me?&#8221; There are many  markets where pricing is quite transparent; however there are many other markets where there is major information asymmetry that is maintained deliberately by vendors. A service that opens up these markets will save money for buyers; B2B buyers are willing to pay for that.</li>

<li><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight:bold;">Financial market information for investors</span>. The base data about stocks and bonds is increasingly free and available on multiple sites. What is hugely valuable is unique insight backed by hard facts that are not commonly available (and that do not breach insider trading rules). One example is tracking a new hot consumer electronics product, figuring out early how the product is shifting at a retail level, working out which publicly traded companies make components for that product; that leads to the right mix of legal, proprietary and timely data that institutional investors will pay big $$$ to subscribe to.</li>
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<p>There are also three basic techniques:</p>
<ol>
<li><b>Search engine on top of unstructured data</b>. Google Custom Search engine serves this purpose and sets the bar for competing engines. Many Blogs use <a href="http://www.eurekster.com/">Eurekster</a> and traditional B2B publishers often use <a href="http://www.convera.com/">Convera</a>.</li>
<li><b>Apply structure to unstructured data</b>. Structured data (fundamentally data in a relational database) enables more effective parametric searching. Structure can be added through manual or automated techniques such as tagging and scraping; increasingly it is the combination of automation and manual methods that wins.</li>

<li><b>Proprietary new data. </b>This is the world of traditional market research, with a focus on facts and numbers not news/commentary/analysis. Proprietary data is the yeast that makes the aggregated non-proprietary dough rise.  The cost to acquire this &#8220;yeast&#8221; is therefore critical.</li>
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<p>Current monetization strategies are usually either advertising or subscriptions.</p>
<p>If you can show ROI by saving money you can charge subscriptions. Subscriptions enable predictable, high margin businesses; subscriptions are also much more recession proof than advertising. The basic rules for getting people to pay for data are:</p>
<ol>
<li>It would cost them way more than the subscription cost to research this data for themselves. In other words, they cannot easily use Google to find a free equivalent or call 2 or 3 buddies.</li>
<li>The data can be used to make a case, either internally for a budget or externally for  new capital, to spend some serious money. This means that the data must be verifiable and the source must be trusted and can be referenced.</li>
</ol>

<p>There are lots of pricing options for paid subscriptions - by registered user, by concurrent user, by # of records, by time period, by product (print vs online). Print On Demand technology has rejuvenated print by making very small print runs cost effective.</p>
<p>In recent years the trend has been to move increasingly towards making information free, letting advertisers pay the bills. Google has clearly changed the advertising landscape with Cost Per Click, as this is closer to a model with proven Return On Investment (ROI).</p>
<p>The future may move to transaction models. There will always be a big place for brand advertising (aka &#8220;faith based advertising&#8221;) but the logic of ROI tends to drive from Cost Per Click to Cost Per Action to Cost Per Product (i.e. a % of the product price). Given a choice, most sellers prefer to simply pay a % of the sell price; in an ideal business world all costs are variable costs.</p>
<p>These transactional business networks rely on two key planks:</p>
<ol>
<li>Data. If all the market participants are accessing a common set of data that is trusted and verifiable they are more likely to trade with each other through the network. So a vertical search database is the key enabler for transactions.</li>
<li>Trust. This comes from having these niche communities bound together through content sharing and ratings. This assumes a registered user community using real names.</li>
</ol>
<p>Google is not the only steamroller heading this way. LinkedIn has the other piece and they are on a roll. The strategic imperative for media firms is to use the base techniques of search and social networking to build their own value space. The technical pieces for both are easy to assemble. It is simply a land grab game.</p>

<p>Business Networks work best in industries with lots of buyers and lots of sellers. This is known as a “fat butterfly” industry structure. If a few buyers or a few sellers dominate the industry, there is less opportunity for an information intermediary. This may sound familiar to people who remember B2B 1.0 circa 1999 with over-hyped companies such as VerticalNet. The end goals are the same in B2B 2.0, but a lot has changed since then:</p>
<ul>
<li>B2B users are now online way more than they were in 1999.</li>
<li>Vertical Search is better at creating the common pools of trusted data.</li>
<li>Social networks and ratings have accustomed people to make judgments about who they might be interacting with online.</li>
<li>The cost to develop and deploy these types of systems have come down dramatically.</li>
<li>Entrepreneurs have figured out how to enable and co-opt intermediaries in the supply chain; rather than naively assuming that they serve no purpose and will quietly disappear.</li>
</ul>
<p>Vertical Search companies that rely on a few jazzy features or a &#8220;we try harder&#8221; approach will have their competitive advantage inexorably eroded by Google. Companies that use search as one tool to build niche online business networks based on a transactional model can create sustainable competitive advantage.</p>
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    <title>Comment from NitinK on 2008-01-29</title>
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        <name>NitinK</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Very nice and comprehensive post, Bernard!</p>

<p>I wish you had defined Vertical Search a little better, though. (I realize that your description was a bit tongue-in-cheek.)</p>

<p>A better definition of true Vertical Search would be: a search engine that <b>focuses</b> on a specific industry vertical, which means that not only are search results limited to that vertical, but also that the UI paradigm, the related services, the suggestions, the metadata and the overall usage of the search engine are all <i><b>specialized for that vertical</b></i>. Sramana Mitra recently referred to Vertical Search as <a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/01/15/google%E2%80%99s-achilles-heel/">Google's Achilles Heel</a>.</p>

<p>Another emerging class of search engines is <a href="http://blog.softwareabstractions.com/the_software_abstractions/2008/01/zvents-makes-lo.html">Local Search, such as Zvents</a> - which show a deep focus on a specific geographical area, rather than on a specific industry vertical. For the sake of this post, do you consider local search engines as included among the vertical engines? </p>

<p>I suspect that local search engines, even more than vertical search engines, will be able to create and maintain a sustainable business advantage over Google within their specific location.<br />
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    <published>2008-01-30T07:50:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from dave mcclure on 2008-01-30</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>great post & summary bernard... about as comprehensive a discussion as i've seen on the topic :)</p>

<p>i think the keys for VSEs to be successful are simply:<br />
 1) ranking well on Google for SEO so they get distribution<br />
 2) doing a good enough job with structured search & data & apps to be *more* relevant than just natural search, and<br />
 3) getting close enough to the target txn to make decent $</p>

<p>if VSEs can rank well for traffic, convert some % of traffic to regulars users, and make some money then they can be viable.</p>

<p>danny sullivan has a great post on recent developments in vertical search here:<br />
  <a href="http://searchengineland.com/071127-091128.php" rel="nofollow">http://searchengineland.com/071127-091128.php</a></p>

<p>a few years back i put together a tongue-in-cheek presentation on "Top 10 Rules for Vertical Search Revolutionaries" that might still be relevant to review:<br />
  <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/dmc500hats/top-10-rules-for-vertical-revolutionaries" rel="nofollow">http://www.slideshare.net/dmc500hats/top-10-rules-for-vertical-revolutionaries</a><br />
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    <published>2008-01-30T10:45:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Earn Money Online On The Internet At Home on 2008-01-30</title>
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        <name>Earn Money Online On The Internet At Home</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Your post was very good but forgot to talk about the link exchange strategy.Link exchange is one of the seven tools for internet marketing.It is most important tools next to that of SEO.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-30T10:46:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Andy Black on 2008-01-30</title>
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        <name>Andy Black</name>
        <uri>http://www.convera.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The E-consultancy/Convera “Vertical Search Survey 2008″ has just been released and reveals some very interesting information.  To download a free online copy of the full report, click here <a href="http://www.convera.com/survey/" rel="nofollow">http://www.convera.com/survey/</a></p>

<p>CPM will be fastest-growing revenue stream for publishers in 2008</p>

<p>Online revenue set to increase while print income flattens or decreases</p>

<p>Content owners must ensure visibility within fragmenting digital landscape by embracing RSS, widgets and toolbars.</p>

<p>Publishers see vertical search as opportunity to ‘reclaim the online community from Google’.</p>

<p>The fastest-growing revenue streams for publishers in 2008 will be internet display advertising and online sponsorship.</p>

<p>Some 72% of publishers are expecting an increase in income from CPM advertising next year and 67% are predicting a rise in digital sponsorship, while print revenues are more likely to flatten or decrease. Just under two thirds (64%) are expecting a rise in paid search (PPC) revenue.</p>

<p>The findings come from a survey which was circulated to members of the Association of Online Publishers (AOP), American Business Media (ABM), Internet Advertising Bureau (IAB UK) and E-consultancy’s early-adopter community of internet marketers.</p>

<p>The research also highlights the need for specialist publishers to react quickly to major changes in the digital environment in order to maintain and increase their market share and visibility.</p>

<p>Publishers need to adapt to maximize their digital revenues at a time of shifting advertising budgets. Trends in digital marketing are leading towards a fragmentation of the online landscape and ‘atomization’ of content. Content owners have a great opportunity to increase visibility for their content through the effective use of vertical search, feeds, widgets and toolbars.</p>

<p>The level of uptake for feeds and customized homepages is very high among this early-adopter audience surveyed but this kind of online behavior will soon become more widespread among knowledge workers across a wider range of industries.”</p>

<p>Some 93% of more than 500 media and internet professionals said that they would be ‘very likely’ or ‘quite likely’ to use a search engine that focused on serving their specific business or work needs.</p>

<p>More than 70% of publishers perceived ‘reclaiming the online community from Google’ to be either a major benefit or a minor benefit from vertical search.</p>

<p>To download a free online copy of the full report, click here <a href="http://www.convera.com/survey/" rel="nofollow">http://www.convera.com/survey/</a><br />
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    <published>2008-01-30T14:28:03Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Colin Joss on 2008-01-30</title>
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        <name>Colin Joss</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I really like this article. The writing above packs up many tips & strategy into a single fresh article to read. I also agree the idea of using the vertical search term, because now practically almost no market niches are still available from "horisontal" ways of thinking.</p>

<p>Colin Joss<br />
East Lothian, Haddington, United Kingdom<br />
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    <published>2008-01-30T15:25:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Vin on 2008-01-30</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>"Every publisher does “list rental”, which means providing the list of subscribers to marketers; that can easily degrade into spamming."</p>

<p>Where are you getting your stats from?</p>

<p>It is true that many B2B publisher do list rentals to third parties, but it is not the case for every publisher.  Anyone with any experience in this type of marketing knows that the more you rent out your list, the more exhausted your database becomes and the less valuable each subscriber is.</p>

<p>And you completely skipped over vertical research directories which is a $100m+/year industry.  In the B2B tech space there are KnowledgeStorm/TechTarget, WebBuyersGuide, Find White Papers, IT Papers, BitPipe, etc..</p>

<p>In education we have All Star Directories, etc.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-30T16:30:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Penny Herscher on 2008-01-30</title>
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        <name>Penny Herscher</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Bernard,</p>

<p>Great framing of the market. A comment on that "major technology breakthrough" you mention in passing.</p>

<p>I'm the CEO of FirstRain, and two years ago we faced a major decision to invest in the technology breakthrough necessary to change the rules of vertical search in our market. We sell to hedge fund managers and institutional investors, providing them with investment research from the depths of the web.<br />
 <br />
Fast forward to this week, when FirstRain announced our qualitative analytics technology. In brief it uses software models to i) extract facts and events from millions of 'documents', ii) apply pattern detection, and iii) analyze the resulting patterns. The output is unique data, trends and anomalies that are available on the web, but so unstructured and dispersed that they are effectively unusable. Our first reports pick up on-the-record quotes by or about a company, topics that drive companies not to comment, and unannounced company re-organizations.</p>

<p>While MetaWeb and others are doing interesting work with already structured web data, that data set is insignificant compared to data in the 'structure' that is available in English text. In the consumer space, Quintura's contextual search uses qualitative analytics to construct its clouds, DowJones and Reuters both have sentiment analysis products that are also examples. And of course there's FirstRain to derive management transpaency for investors.<br />
 <br />
Technology will drive the coming shift in how we interact with the web. We think qualitative analytics is the next big breakthrough. </p>

<p>Penny</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-30T21:29:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from JakeButler on 2008-01-30</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I know it's not so B-to-B, but the Hype Machine (www.hypem.com) as a music vertical is awesome and thought some discussion on that would be great.</p>

<p>It's almost flying under the radar- techcrunch barely picked up on it last week I believe.  If you have a chance, please take a look at it and let me know what you think (disclosure: I have no relationship with HypeM whatsoever aside from being a user).</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-30T21:48:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Don Jones on 2008-01-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Don Jones</name>
        <uri>http://www.venturedeal.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bernard,</p>

<p>Great piece.  I run VentureDeal, a subscription venture capital database.  What we provide is something that few people would ever go to Google to get, even if Google offered it - extremely specialized information retrieval about venture-backed startups and their funding and M&A deals.  I have a hard time thinking Google is going to get granular enough in their verticals to offer the kind of value that we do.  Hope I'm not proven wrong...!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-31T05:43:24Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Reseller opportunity on 2008-02-06</title>
    <author>
        <name>Reseller opportunity</name>
        <uri>http://www.scribd.com/doc/934976/A-Reseller-Opportunity-with-FIND-THAT-MONEY-</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Great analysis and a very good report. I have found many interesting topics on the latest trends which are very essential for my updates. Thanks for providing valuable information.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-06T12:45:18Z</published>
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