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    <title>The State of Innovation in India</title>
    <summary> 10 years ago, in 1997, I wrote an article called Playing Against 5 Aces for a technology magazine in India called Dataquest. The article looked at how the deck was stacked in favor of American technology companies, because they were playing with 5 Aces in the pack: 1. A large domestic market 2. Access...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[ <p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/infosys_india.jpg" />10 years ago, in 1997, I wrote an article called <a href="http://bernardlunn.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/playing-against-5-aces/">Playing Against 5 Aces</a> for a technology magazine in India called Dataquest. The article looked at how the deck was stacked in favor of American technology companies, because they were playing with 5 Aces in the pack:</p>
<p>1.    A large domestic market<br />
2.    Access to intellectual capital<br />
3.    Reliable, low cost telecommunications<br />
4.    A culture that rewards innovation and risk taking<br />
5.    A well developed venture capital industry</p>
<p>Against these 5 Aces, India had only one good card, which was low cost labor. It is interesting to revisit these 5 Aces ten years later in 2007 (well, 2008 now!) and see what it means for the state of innovation in India. In short, India is looking a lot better:</p>]]>
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<li><strong>Large Domestic Market</strong>.    Getting better.  India still lags the US in market size and customer willingness to innovate, but GDP growth is now in India/China. In the key area of wireless, Asia is a better market for innovation than the US.</li>
<li><strong>Access to Intellectual Capital</strong>.    Yes the world is flat; access to intellectual capital is not an issue any more. Innovative ideas spread like wildfire through Blogs, Social Networks, Skype, etc.</li>

<li><strong>Reliable low cost telecommunications</strong>.    Problem solved. That Telecom bubble sure enabled a great industry in India!</li>
<li><strong>Culture that rewards innovation and risk taking</strong>.    Still a problem. There is a strange dichotomy here. Some large old world companies in India (such as Tata and Reliance) are incredibly dynamic and aggressive when many of their US counterparts seem to be only interested in using financial engineering to distribute profits tax efficiently. But in high tech start-ups? That’s another story, more on that later.</li>
<li><strong>Well developed venture capital industry</strong>.    Problem solved, VC is pouring into India.</li>
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<p>However, despite all these advantages and despite thousands of developers in India creating value for Western companies, where is India’s killer app? Where is the Microsoft or Google from India? Or being slightly less ambitious where is the Salesforce.com or YouTube from India?</p>
<p>Why does this matter for India? Look at the market cap of Google ($218 billion) vs Infosys ($24 billion). This is not bubble valuation. Both have similar and reasonably valued PEG (Price Earnings Growth ratio, the only rational way I know to compare two valuations) with INFY at 0.81 and GOOG at 1.30.  Google has over 9x the value and is about 15 years younger.</p>
<p>When you read the Google story, you won’t see anything created in a Stanford dorm room that could not have been created in an IIT dorm room. What is really wild is that the barriers have come down even further since Google came to market.</p>
<p>The fundamental issue in India is the risk/reward equation. It is simply too easy for a young developer in India to get paid a lot by an outsourcing firm; then enjoy being headhunted every year for more money. Those of us old enough to see a cycle or two, can see the parallels between Silicon Valley 1999 and Bangalore 2007, when just being able to spell the words of a popular programming language on a Resume meant fame and fortune. It is possible that when this comes back to some reality the motivation to innovate will come to young Indian developers (yes young; breakthrough technical innovation tends to come from people under 30).</p>

<p>This has been the story for some time but it is changing fast right now and we maybe reaching a tipping point related to innovation in India. Three factors are rapidly narrowing the labor cost arbitrage – weaker dollar, rampant salary inflation in India and new technology that significantly reduces the amount of code that needs to be written.</p>
<p>At the same time, VCs are looking entrepreneurs in the eye and telling them that capital is not a constraint but that you had better find a way to get sustainable advantage and scalability that is not tied to linear growth in headcount.</p>
<p>Innovation is happening today in India. You won’t see a lot of it as yet as the interesting ventures are still fairly small and below the radar. But it is happening.</p>
<p>Today’s successful (meaning currently lucrative) innovation in India tends to be at the process and business level. These companies use technology extensively, they are technology driven and enabled, but the technology innovation is more incremental than disruptive and still uses lower cost labor as a core advantage. There are four interesting types of new ventures in India:</p>
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<li><strong>Leveraged services models</strong>. This is where most “next generation BPO” is headed and most niche software services vendors now innovate around a proprietary framework of some kind. These ventures use proprietary technology and other innovation to do transformational change for clients rather than simple offshoring of existing processes. They are being created by teams with deep domain expertise that use India for execution, as opposed to Indian services firms that look for markets that need lots of people. This is “the industrialization of office work”, wringing lots of little process efficiencies through reengineering. It is similar to what Japan did with “Kaizen” continuous improvement to manufacturing in the 1960’s. It is less glamorous than radical, disruptive innovation but it can be hugely effective, creating great value for both client and vendor.</li>
<li><strong>Direct to consumer phone and online services</strong>. This is very new. These services use new technology, but the real innovation is in process, training and branding. It is a dramatic departure from the old services model that relied on selling through large Western firms. Three examples are <a href="http://www.getfriday.com/">GetFriday</a>, <a href="http://www.iyogi.net/">iYogi</a> and <a href="http://www.tutorvista.com/">TutorVista</a>. Direct to consumer services have been enabled by the Internet, specifically Google search engine marketing which is a phenomenally cost effective way for a start-up (that has the right proposition and knows how to properly leverage SEM) to reach global markets. Indian direct to consumer services fill a nice gap left by US ventures that assume that an entirely self-service online strategy will meet the need; this maybe true in some markets and demographics but there are many markets and demographics where a person on the end of the phone is still needed for at least some of the service.</li>

<li><strong>Concept arbitrage/localization</strong>. This is popular with VCs as they globalize as the deal is simple to understand. For example, when eBay was first getting traction in the USA they were years away from looking at foreign markets, so there was plenty of time in many markets to copy the basic idea and add in a few twists to appeal to local tastes. When the originator has won in the USA they use IPO cash/equity to buy up the local players, which is a good result for all. There is less easy money in these deals now as Web 2.0 start-ups either need less localization, or they figure out those issues upfront, leaving less time for a local clone to get traction. This requires more innovation to build features that really make a difference in India and other Asian countries that could later enable a global rollout. One area for innovation is wireless as America is so far behind Asia in wireless. Most of these won’t get much visibility in the West as that is not a target. One success, riding the booming jobs market, is Naukri (India’s answer to Monster).</li>
<li><strong>Cheap clone/selling to bottom of pyramid</strong>. Clones dramatically under-price Western products based on lower cost R&amp;D and volume. There have been attempts to do this in software, but open source has taken the bottom out of this game in most segments. With excellent execution there is sometimes room for a “better faster cheaper” fast follower play if the software is delivered as a service and does not require corporate approval to get traction. <a href="http://www.zoho.com/">Zoho</a> is a good example of great execution on a crowded field. The much more interesting play is for real world products that need to be substantially cheaper for the Indian market. Pre the 1991 liberalization of the Indian economy this was derided by economists as “import substitution”, flying in the face of free trade economics. However now it has a new lease of life as “<a href="http://www.bhoopathy.net/wordpress/category/base-of-the-pyramid/">selling to the base of the pyramid</a>”, delivering products to the 4 billion people who are not currently in the consumer market. Generic pharmaceuticals are already a success story. Another example might be a Fetal Heart Monitor, the most basic bit of medical equipment. If a robust product was offered at half the price or less of Western products more rural clinics in India could buy it; would this also later find a market in the West? The standout for me is <a href="http://www.novatium.com/nova_B2B/Customer/home.jsp">Novatium,</a> who are really making the sub $100 laptop a reality without any subsidies. Don’t expect to see them in the West any time soon, their market in India is plenty big enough!</li>
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<p>Many people would not see these as innovation. They are not seen as classic “killer apps” and disruptive innovation along the lines of eBay or Google. In this view, truly great innovation should be totally independent of the cheap labor advantage or market localization.</p>

<p>There is no reason this type of innovation cannot come from India but also no reason that it should; the innovation spark is totally location independent today. This could come out of an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institutes_of_Technology">IIT</a> dorm room, or indeed any room anywhere in the world.</p>
<p>India needs to find work for a massive labor force that grows every year. So the Western ideal of a huge business with minimal employees is not the ideal for India. The great Indian success stories will probably still leverage the talent for organizing large numbers of people toward a common goal.</p>
<p>In trying to come up with a top 3 list of great entrepreneurial ventures, I found it easy to come up with two that are very much real world:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.jetairways.com/"><strong>Jet Airways</strong></a>. If you think it is impossible to build a truly great airline that is a pleasure to travel in whether it is Coach or Business, fly Jet. Doing that in India where infrastructure is weak is a phenomenal achievement.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.airtel.in/"><strong>Bharti Mobile</strong></a>. They rewrote the rules on growth by outsourcing everything non-core and became possibly the best Private Equity return ever.</li>
</ul>

<p>I also find it easy to think of old, large companies that are innovating like crazy – Reliance, ICICI and Tata Motors come to mind; break dancing elephants, wow!</p>
<p>The achievement of the <a href="http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2005/12/to_wit_it_is_a_.html">SWITCH</a> (Satyam, Wipro, Infosys, TCS, HCL) is not to be denied; great value creation for investors, clients and employees.</p>
<p>The best shot at a software product breakthrough looks like <a href="http://www.zoho.com/">Zoho</a>. (On a strict definition maybe they should be excluded as their head office is in America but I think that is nit-picking). They could give Microsoft and Google a run for their money in the web office space. The new and highly controversial <a href="http://www.live-documents.com/">Live Documents</a> may not strike one as technology innovation but it is certainly a big ballsy move.</p>
<p>The one that will make the biggest difference in my opinion is <a href="http://www.novatium.com/nova_B2B/Customer/home.jsp">Novatium</a>; they really bring the web to millions of the poor and without any subsidy.</p>

<p>Conclusion, wow what a lot of change in 10 years! The momentum looks set to make the next 10 years even more dramatic.</p>
<p>What really great innovation have you seen from India? What do you expect to see in the future?</p>
<p><i>Image of Innovation Center of Infosys in Bangalore, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianus/241524271/">by ianus</a> via Flickr</i></p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Indian on 2008-01-01</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>A well-written article. I agree that we have to emphasize in innovation and come up with great products in addition to software services. I personally believe, the problem lies down in our social structure where failing is considered a moronic effort but I do believe that new generation is having more risk-taking nature and things are starting to change. </p>

<p>Few software products from India you may want to check out...</p>

<p><a href="http://www.tallysolutions.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tallysolutions.com/</a>  - they are QuickBooks of India<br />
<a href="http://www.skelta.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.skelta.com/</a>  - For workflow solutions in .net<br />
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    <published>2008-01-01T21:46:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Alan Wilensky on 2008-01-01</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I am a serious student of India's culture and history, and I have worked and made friends with some great folks that I can call my colleagues. Some of my Indian co-workers are the FIRST to admit that they have cultural tendency to play things safe, in the innovation area. I can take it as well as give it, so please, call me a stuck up Yankee Jewish loudmouth ass.</p>

<p>I recently completed a very strategic review for a R&D lab; the channel subject, brand monitoring and sentiment scoring. Long story short, because its all documented on my blog (who has time to read such crap), the bottom line is that the mid management, all good, salt of the earth lads from India with impeccable education and work ethic, couldn't get past the "follow" mentality.</p>

<p>Don't jump on me, this is not a prejudice, it's a cultural things for many reasons, and there are many exceptions. And, let me close by saying that if you get a bunch of Israelis and Indians in the same org and get them to cooperate, they can take over the world.</p>

<p>The combo of hard-headed stubborn Jews and thoughtful, abstract left brain Hindus (I know, I know, they are not all Hindus, I can quote Indian Scripture by heart, don't start with me), is a deadly combo;</p>

<p>For an example of a successful dynamic, look at Buzzmetrics.   </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-01T22:04:09Z</published>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>

<p>That's because we are brought up that way - not all of them but majority of them. Israel is a great country and I think the way your country has fought and won, the minds of people get channelize in that way, too. </p>

<p><br />
"And, let me close by saying that if you get a bunch of Israelis and Indians in the same org and get them to cooperate, they can take over the world." - Love that!!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-01T22:14:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Adithya on 2008-01-01</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The play it safe generation is over in India. The current generation is quite open to taking risks. However I don't agree with the fact that we have cheap telecommunications. No they are not cheap. They are nothing compared to other nations. Also another problem in India is that American companies don't pay the Indians working in India the same wage as their American counterparts. This means that most of the brains tend to leave the country for better opportunities abroad.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T00:38:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Amit Khare on 2008-01-01</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I doubt if IIT dorms can not generate killer-app like ideas. The difference in that Stanford dorm ideas see the life of IMPLEMENTATION. </p>

<p>There are many socio economic reasons why young people in India hesitate to implement an innovative idea. Current trend of high paying jobs in MNCs will make entrepreneurship ever lesser attractive... especially in software.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T01:04:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Abdul Jaleel on 2008-01-01</title>
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        <name>Abdul Jaleel</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>That was a great piece of article ! Really it reflected India.</p>

<p>India still have to give birth to Indian version of Google or Microsoft.  We are still in the outsourcing mode and young people always run behind more money without any thoughts on innovating something.  </p>

<p>It is miles to go for Indians to reach that pyramid.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T01:52:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John Garcia on 2008-01-01</title>
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        <name>John Garcia</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
Saw this story a few days back by chance.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.hindu.com/2007/12/30/stories/2007123054481100.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hindu.com/2007/12/30/stories/2007123054481100.htm</a></p>

<p>Seems like Indians are leading innovation on a global basis.<br />
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    <published>2008-01-02T02:29:40Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from CVOS seo on 2008-01-01</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to note that India's economy grew 44% last year, one of the highest in the world.</p>

<p>Hows that for a switch</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T03:08:09Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from ashish on 2008-01-01</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bernard, Interesting analysis. </p>

<p>If you look at the overall value innovation that has happened in India, it all started with Y2K, then major outsourcing work (i.e. services) and now global products (a little slow, yet taking off)</p>

<p>With the rise of domestic market, lot of innovation has been kicked in, but the attitude still is to ape the western products... pretty much the same thought I had here: <a href="http://www.pluggd.in/2007/10/where-are-the-interesting-product-startups-in-india" rel="nofollow">http://www.pluggd.in/2007/10/where-are-the-interesting-product-startups-in-india</a></p>

<p>But times they are a changing and changing for good!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T04:03:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from manish jain on 2008-01-01</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bernard,</p>

<p>Great comparison of what India was like 10 years ago vs today.</p>

<p>I moved out to India 2 1/2 years ago b/c of all the business opportunities available here and can relate to many of them.</p>

<p>The only area where I see an issue is the speed at which things works.  Just take a look at China.  The went from "oh my god they are communist, remember Tiananmen Square" to "the manufacturing hub of the world, my god all my Apple products are made there."</p>

<p>I believe India has 18-24 months to get it's act together in the area of infrastructure and cutting red tape. If not, it will no longer be the Chindia story but the main act will be China and India for other things.  <br />
 <br />
I'm really tired of hearing what I call the "2 kids from Stanford story" - Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Aliph, HP, etc...</p>

<p>I'm waiting for the IIT or IIM story...</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Swaroop C H on 2008-01-01</title>
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        <name>Swaroop C H</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>If I'm not wrong, Novatium was incubated by TeNeT, IIT Madras.<br />
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44549</id>
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    <title>Comment from AJ on 2008-01-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>AJ</name>
        <uri>http://ramblings.ajaxed.net</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://ramblings.ajaxed.net">
        <![CDATA[<p>Very well written and well covered article.</p>

<p>And as you have mentioned, things are changing. While in the 80s and 90s, everything was slow as molasses, they are much better and moving at a much faster pace.</p>

<p>While another Google is difficult, even in the US, there are some really innovating ideas being borne in India, both in Academic campuses and in startups.</p>

<p>I'm sure that within the next decade, all the blocks in your list will have been solved and solved in an astounding fashion</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T05:43:30Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44550</id>
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    <title>Comment from Murray on 2008-01-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Murray</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In my experience managing IT projects outsourced to Wipro, Tata, Infosys and others - high quality Business Analysis, Architecture and System Design skills are severly limited in Indian companies. </p>

<p>So I think that India still suffers from a severe lack of Access to Intellectual Capital.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-01-02T06:11:25Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44552</id>
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    <title>Comment from Alok Mittal on 2008-01-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Alok Mittal</name>
        <uri>http://www.venturewoods.org/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bernard, I agree with most of what you say in terms of transition over last ten years. Within the context of technology businesses, I am not sure of whether concept arbitrage theme (which is where all of internet and mobile businesses are put in the article) is what will remain dominant over 2008 and beyond. Few reasons:<br />
- Mobile will come into stronger play. We are seeing early signs of traction in companies with local innovation, and I think that momentum will become far more evident in 2008<br />
- On the internet, the early pickings of concept arbitrage are gone. While one can still borrow concepts from other parts of the world, those concepts havent been huge successes in their host geographies. And hence, the entire model will be revisited and localized heavily. Local search is an example.</p>

<p>In our own <a href="http://www.venturewoods.org/index.php/2007/12/28/2008-india-venture-polls/" rel="nofollow">polls at venturewoods</a>, entrepreneurs seem to be exhibiting a high degree of optimism that this indeed is the direction we are headed in. The hot areas as per that poll are local language Internet, mobile data services, Ecommerce/Mcommerce, online financial services, digital entertainment and online education - most of these areas are very high on the localization axis (due to infrastructure, regulation, and local content orientation).</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T06:31:21Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44555</id>
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    <title>Comment from R.Sriram on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>R.Sriram</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>You forgot "SIMPUTER". With little support from the developer world, it could easily take on the likes of Iphone.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-01-02T08:18:08Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44556</id>
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    <title>Comment from Tech For Novices on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Tech For Novices</name>
        <uri>http://www.techfornovices.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.techfornovices.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>include digitial inspiration in the list ?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-01-02T09:28:48Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44562</id>
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    <title>Comment from Andy on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Andy</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>I've been involved with outsourced software development to India for roughly fifteen years and I think things may be getting worse rather than better...</p>

<p>I'm currently 'working' on a web application for which the powers that be decided to outsource the construction to India...</p>

<p>There seems to a culture of teaching rather than learning. In common with lots of other technology development, web development changes on an almost daily basis, new insights appear, people do cool things but our Indian developers don't even seem to surf the web and it shows in the way they write code (they use techniques that a years out of date, and seem to have no concept of the semantic nature of html)</p>

<p>There's not enough experienced team leads to mentor and guide the huge number of immature and inexperienced developers they're taking on.</p>

<p>There's an almost complete lack of process and standards, from how things are written to how things are deployed.</p>

<p>They seem to believe in throwing resources at projects which often results in more problems (due to the lack of standards and processes) e.g. lack of consistency in the way things behave etc.</p>

<p>Against this they're are a nice bunch of people and on a personal level I enjoy knowing them.</p>

<p>So why am I doing this? Sometimes you've got to pay the bills and once I take on a project I generally have to see them through.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T12:00:53Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44563</id>
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    <title>Comment from Sriraman K R on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sriraman K R</name>
        <uri>http://www.techslash.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Well,</p>

<p>I thought of YouTube way back when I was just graduating from College. Lack of funds, infrastructure and bandwidth never allowed me to proceed further.</p>

<p>There are ideas incubating here. But it never gets to the implementation level due to the obvious constraints mainly due to the way of life here.</p>

<p>Being a Web2.0 enthusiast, I am currently involved in a new startup at www.jobscafe.com! I am also planning to launch an online desktop soon. There is also my file sharing site at www.streamupload.com</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>PS: I too work for one of the IT Service big wigs!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T12:07:48Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44564</id>
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    <title>Comment from india classified buff on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>india classified buff</name>
        <uri>http://www.clickindia.com/education/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.clickindia.com/education/">
        <![CDATA[<p>The story has changed over the last 10 years in India. The country has now evolved as a hub for innovation and making people stand up and take note.</p>

<p>You can check out the local site <a href="http://www.clickindia.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.clickindia.com/</a> which is free online classifieds and can be used by visitors to promote their products and services online. </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-01-02T13:11:38Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44565</id>
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    <title>Comment from Sri on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sri</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>India is still poor country where sacrificing living over innovation does not work. Contrary to popular belief, indian university/education system is terrible and setup for student to get ahead by memorizing instead of free thinking. some cultural factors also play a role here. Almost all successful Indian in i.t. are trained in u.s.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-01-02T13:23:03Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44568</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rajiv on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rajiv</name>
        <uri>http://witopia.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://witopia.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>The point about culture is spot on. It applies more to the older generation which grew up with the Nehruvian Socialism ideals. The script in those days used to get a Govt. job and save, save and save till you die.</p>

<p>Liberlisation changed everything and has created a huge consumer class in India. The local market is growing and startups are capitalizing on it. The best examples are the airline ticket booking websites and the matrimonial services. There are scores of them with absolutely no difference between them. And all of them are doing good!</p>

<p>But the risk averse mindset still persists. I can personally attest to that. I am trying to do my own startup right now and I have spent a lot of effort trying to convince my parents that its worth a try! </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T14:25:56Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44570</id>
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    <title>Comment from vinnie mirchandani on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>vinnie mirchandani</name>
        <uri>http://www.dealarchitect.typepad.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to my SWITCH note. As you say, a sea change over the decade. It is good you recognize what value firms like Zoho are delivering even when you use benchmarks like Google and Microsoft.</p>

<p>But I would like to suggest a different definition of killer app and innovation - to me the best kind are behind the firewall at a customer. Helping a CIO create innovation magic with alpha technology is particularly satisfying as I wrote below</p>

<p><a href="http://florence20.typepad.com/renaissance/2006/08/cio_view_of_tec.html" rel="nofollow">http://florence20.typepad.com/renaissance/2006/08/cio_view_of_tec.html</a></p>

<p>It also means use of all kinds of hardware, sensor/device, telecom, software and service innovations. Quite often Indian firms just think of software centric solutions.</p>

<p>and given India's dominant output is still outsourcing services as against productized offerings, to me one the best innovation those firms can focus on is optimizing their own operations </p>

<p><a href="http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2007/10/outsourcers-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2007/10/outsourcers-and.html</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T14:53:30Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44575</id>
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    <title>Comment from No Quotas! on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>No Quotas!</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>The only problem that plagues India in the long term and short term is that of <em>reservation</em>. Believe me, it is the root of all the problems.</strong></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T15:49:28Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44576</id>
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    <title>Comment from trak.in on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>trak.in</name>
        <uri>http://trak.in</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://trak.in">
        <![CDATA[<p>This is a great comparison and thoughtfully written article. <br />
I have just stepped into entrepreneurial mode and have recently returned from US purely due to amount of opportunities available here. In last month I attended couple of un-conferences and attending geeks blew my mind.<br />
Another 5 years and you will see atleast couple of Google's come out of India, just be here and you will know!!!</p>

<p>Yes, Infrastructure is surely a problem and I am doubtful if there is a easy solution for it (if there was they would have done it by now..)<br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T15:55:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44578</id>
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    <title>Comment from Soum on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Soum</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Bernard</p>

<p>Great articles, both of them!</p>

<p>IITs are nice but there is only so much you can learn as an undergrad school. Don't forget that the first Googlers were PhD dropouts. Grad school matters and in India it needs a huge overhaul as Professors get paid a pittance. Most of the kids who get into top US grad schools are the best students from around the world including India. </p>

<p>What India needs is sustainable local solutions for local problems and local conditions. The OLPC or a local variant could make a big difference. Search in local languages or solutions for illiterate people (say through mobile phones/ voice and pictures) can be great social enablers.</p>

<p>There is no Bill Gates in India because no one can find a killer application that even poor people "must have" and "will pay for" and "has not yet been created" and is "profitable". The big players are trying to solve the same problems as well, as long as it does not disrupt their core investments and business, but complements it. They know the size of the market and have the resources to implement large scale solutions.  </p>

<p>Wipro and Infosys are the best brands we have so far. They make big profits by getting contracts from clients outside India and skillfully completing them. They could use their skills on the domestic market but the profit margins would be very slim and thus not an attractive business proposition for them. </p>

<p>Since the world is flat, any new innovation will be cloned sooner or later in India and elsewhere, no matter where it is created. Hopefully we will see more Indian creations soon! It is encouraging to see major players setting up RnD hubs in India.</p>

<p>best<br />
Soum</p>

<p><br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T16:14:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Falafulu Fisi on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Falafulu Fisi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Manish said...<br />
<i>I'm really tired of hearing what I call the "2 kids from Stanford story" - Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Aliph, HP, etc...</i></p>

<p>Since, I read a lot of engineering & computing literatures, I haven't seen many publications that are originated from India. There is no doubt that Indian researchers do R&D, however peer review literatures is not a mailing post, that you just publish a paper then submit to the publisher and expect to be accepted for publication. Most papers are rejected since they don't meet the requirement of publishers.</p>

<p>You see lots of publications from Stanford and the US ( electronics & computing technology), so this shows that Stanford & US researchers are producing cutting-edge stuff to be able to convince the panel of peer reviewers in most computing journals that their research papers are world class and original work. I also see lots of publications that come from China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea. This also shows that these countries are competitive in terms of  R&D for original ideas.</p>

<p>Technology innovation is proportional to the amount of R&D that a country do and this reflects in the US. Look at Israel, they're small country, but I also see numerous publications that are coming out of there, and this indicates that researches is very active and high quality. Now, if you don't have an active research culture, then you become a follower, ie, you simply implement what others produced in their R&D and made publicly available in the literatures.</p>

<p>Outsourcing stuff to India is for cost saving and not for innovative reasons. You must differentiate the difference between innovative and cost savings.</p>

<p>Indian software market & companies might be booming, but how many of them that are doing something innovative? Also don't differentiate between sheer numbers and innovative. Having many software companies doesn't equate to high innovation. Small Pacific Island countries have many web  software companies (per business population-wise), but there is nothing there innovative, since all they do is just developing websites for local businesses.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T17:25:23Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44612</id>
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    <title>Comment from Anthony Kuhn on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Anthony Kuhn</name>
        <uri>http://www.innovators-network.org</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bernard:</p>

<p>This is a great retrospective look at the state of innovation in India over the past decade. The comments are also particuarly on topic and make for a well-rounded read. I wonder when the reverse-outsourcing is going to occur as unemployed American software engineers seek "greener pastures?" I linked to your post at the Innovators Network in hopes that some of my readers will visit this site to read your piece.</p>

<p>Best wishes in the New Year,</p>

<p>Anthony Kuhn</p>

<p><br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-02T23:31:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Sharmila on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sharmila</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Try vtap.com </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-01-03T05:49:17Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44648</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ganesh on 2008-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ganesh</name>
        <uri>http://ganex.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p> This is one of the best thought provoking article read recently! Coming to me I am working for a Indian MNC, joined recently after finishing my Masters. Answer to Why is youth is doing outsourced jobs - it is to get confidence via money, he has to fill his pockets before he can venture out or start something new, he has to even finish accomplish his family responsibilities!<br /> There is a perpetual confidence in youth like me! We will make a Google out of India soon!<br /><br /><b>Try my new venture www.eatables.in</b> </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-03T07:55:00Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44664</id>
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    <title>Comment from sridhar on 2008-01-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>sridhar</name>
        <uri>http://www.yulop.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Innovation in India has been seeded well by people with loads of experience called NRI's who are making way towards INDIA to built lot better products which could challenge the world at large!</p>

<p>Take for example: any VC who is based in INDIA and who is willing to venture out could always sustain the availability of Dollars which is yet a bottleneck, since the Dollars and the aptly said American recession is going through, but yet with considerable growth factor within INDIAn economy things have been pushed, INDIA is still renowned to be called as Outsourcing capital, the urge to get things moving could only happen when SWITCH would help young entrepreneurs grow along with them and build great technology labs to move away from the fading dollar and to serve Developing nation and not to rely only upon US market!</p>

<p>INDIA is definitely shining and things could very well be different by 2017 :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-03T12:04:22Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44701</id>
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    <title>Comment from Steve on 2008-01-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Steve</name>
        <uri>http://www.sun.com/startup</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I saw recently that Sun Microsystems' Sun Startup Essentials made its way to India, the UK and Israel. There must be a lot of activity to get that program there!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-01-03T21:03:44Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44735</id>
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    <title>Comment from Mukul Singhal on 2008-01-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mukul Singhal</name>
        <uri>http://www.canaan.com/p_singhal.html</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Barnard - I agree with most of it and will add one more bucket in your four: Mobile</p>

<p>I think India will see lot of innovation in Mobile. Some of such new businesses might not look so disruptive in term of technology but they would really be disruptive in terms of business model</p>

<p>Mobile has given a big leverage in the hands of businesses as a low cost distribution channel. I'll come back to you and share some of the such businesses according to me.</p>

<p>-Mukul<br />
Canaan Partners</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-04T12:19:07Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from start franchise on 2008-01-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>start franchise</name>
        <uri>http://www.findthatmoney.com/index.php?file=successfrancies</uri>
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    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.findthatmoney.com/index.php?file=successfrancies">
        <![CDATA[<p>Yes this is already a proved statement. I feel proud to be an Indian but I worry if the politicians squeeze it. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-04T12:39:42Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:44791</id>
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    <title>Comment from Amit Agrawal on 2008-01-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>Amit Agrawal</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>A nice article there Barnard..</p>

<p>1.FOR MOST OF THE INNOVATION WE NEED ITS NECESSITY..<br />
2.AND WHEN THE INNOVATION IS DONE...IT CAN BE HARNESSED IN OTHER AREAS ALSO BY RECOGNIZING IT ...<br />
3.AFTER RECOGNIZING COMES REWARD..</p>

<p>Take the example of UNIX-project / govt purpose..<br />
microsoft...business purpose<br />
google--academic purpose..</p>

<p>so let us take our purpose seriously and give it our best to make INDIA the best....<br />
 - India's 'SWITCH' Developer</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-05T17:22:49Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5363-comment:45141</id>
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    <title>Comment from Lois on 2008-01-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>Lois</name>
        <uri>http://www.grabbinglightning.com/tata-nano-innovation-around-cost/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Bernard. </p>

<p>I believe the 'Tata Nano' is an interesting development from India. This project isn't merely about low costs, its about innovation around cost. </p>

<p>If you've reviewed out the car's specifications, you'll realize that innovation-led Tata Motors isn't likely to introduce the Nano in the west. Its interesting that after launching the cheapest car in the world their next little feat is buying Jaguar and Land Rover from Ford.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-11T05:15:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from C. Amarnath on 2008-01-17</title>
    <author>
        <name>C. Amarnath</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
It is nice to see that there is appreciation for the little things also. there is a gradual change in the mindset all over India. Even the Govt. of India has started funding risk! (Visit  and click on TePP. There is yet another program to fund startups - administered by NSTEBD. Yes, capital is scarce and skills are equally scarce - thanks to the IT and Finance sectors that have grabbed all the talent! - yet, a couple of decades from now the present generation would lead and one would then witness the efficacy of these govt. initiatives.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-17T08:26:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from C. Amarnath on 2008-01-17</title>
    <author>
        <name>C. Amarnath</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>If there is one impediment to growth (independent of the west) it is the inability of the country to develop basic tools required for any endeavor. Name any tool - hard or soft - the country lacks the ability (unfortunately the inclination also) to develop it. Quality consciousness does not exist - may be the fine arts could help nurture traits like diligence and quality consciousness. These need to be addressed.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-17T15:44:35Z</published>
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