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  <updated>2008-05-09T18:06:27Z</updated>
  <title>Comments for OpenSocial or OpenGadget?</title>
  
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    <published>2008-01-31T18:08:18Z</published>
    <updated>2008-01-31T19:53:54Z</updated>
    <title>OpenSocial or OpenGadget?</title>
    <summary>Steve O&apos;Hear (who edits our digital lifestyle blog last100) has an interesting post on his ZDNet blog that questions whether Google&apos;s OpenSocial initiative is at all about data portability, or if in fact it really just about widget standardization. O&apos;Hear quotes heavily from a recent article by Marc Canter, who is a strong advocate for...</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Josh Catone</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com/</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img border="0" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/opensocial-small.jpg" hspace="5" vspace="5" width="131" height="135" />Steve O'Hear (who edits our digital lifestyle blog <a href="http://www.last100.com/">last100</a>) has an <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/social/?p=386">interesting post</a> on his ZDNet blog that questions whether Google's OpenSocial initiative is at all about data portability, or if in fact it really just about widget standardization.  O'Hear quotes heavily from a recent article by Marc Canter, who is a strong advocate for open standards and data portability, that <a href="http://www.news.com/Waiting-for-the-OpenSocial-hammer-to-drop/2010-1032_3-6227796.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news">ran on CNet</a>.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>"It seems that almost everybody got a little carried away about what OpenSocial really stands for, falling for Google’s attempt to outmaneuver Facebook and paint the latter as the big bad wolf of data lock-in," writes O'Hear. "Except OpenSocial isn’t really designed to give users the ability to move their data from one social network to another."</p>

<p>Instead, he says, OpenSocial's goal is to standardize widget development.  According to Canter, many of the social networks that have signed on to OpenSocial never intended to open their network and allows users to transport data, regardless of whether that was part of Google's plans.  Rather, networks wanted access to Google's OpenSocial gadgets (their word for widgets) in an attempt to strike back against Facebook's successful platform.</p>

<p>This is something Marshall Kirkpatrick picked up on shortly after Google announced OpenSocial.  "As some people have told me tonight, it may have been more accurate to call this 'OpenWidget' - though the press wouldn't have been as good. We've been waiting for data and identity portability - is this all we get?" he <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/opensocial_three_big_concerns.php">wondered in November</a>.</p>

<p>And if Google is really just trying to standardize widget development, are they the ones we want at the helm?  Snipperoo's Ivan Pope <a href="http://blog.snipperoo.com/2008/01/opensocial-is-r.html">argues that</a> "we'd be better off working from the ground up rather than getting suckered by a Google et al inspired bit of marketing flammery."  I'm inclined to agree.  Other than the seeming lack of data portability as part of the OpenSocial initiative, one of the other chief concerns that our own Marshall Kirkpatrick talked about was whether Google was exercising leadership or control.</p>

<p>"Still remaining is the question of Google's control over the standards creation process. It's not possible that one of the largest companies in the US and the largest in this consortium would act entirely out of concern for the world at large," he wrote.</p>

<p>So if OpenSocial is really not about data portability and interoperability between networks (except as far as widget creation is concerned), we'll have to look elsewhere for that.  But that's not to say that OpenSocial is a total wash -- widget standardization isn't such a bad idea.  As we <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_shouldnt_fear_opensocial.php">wrote in November</a>, there are plenty of winners when OpenSocial is adopted.  "The winners of OpenSocial are Google (who now has hooks into a large number of social networking sites that reach hundreds of millions of people -- whom Google surely hopes will one day be viewing Google ads), users (who now have access to social apps on networks that previously didn't have developer APIs), app developers," we said.</p>

<p>The question is, do we want Google to be leading the way in widget standardization?  Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.</p>]]>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5543-comment:46017</id>
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    <title>Comment from Venture capital on 2008-01-31</title>
    <author>
        <name>Venture capital</name>
        <uri>http://www.venturedeal.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Like any other single company, Google will want to shape the "standards" to its greatest benefit.  We should have other major entities in on the action, hopefully to make sure the final standards are as company neutral as possible.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-01-31T21:52:34Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5543-comment:46021</id>
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    <title>Comment from OpenSocialWidgets on 2008-01-31</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Agree.. it's all about Open Social Widgets :-)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-01T03:30:44Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5543-comment:46023</id>
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    <title>Comment from Sean Tierney on 2008-01-31</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sean Tierney</name>
        <uri>http://www.scrollinondubs.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>"Open Social" is a misnomer- "Java for Widgets" would have been a more apt name because it captures the essence of what Open Social is truly about: giving widget developers "write once run anywhere" freedom.  It has nothing to do with data portability and everything to do with recovering power from FB.  The thing is, if and when an open data exchange protocol is established amongst social networks and they agree to open up, it's going to be a re-run of what happened with the instant messaging channels a few years ago. The networks (which are heavily dependent on people interacting via their interface to see the ads) will become irrelevant and users will instead interact with friends across networks via an Adium/Trilian equivalent which gives them a single dashboard to manage communication/presence across multiple networks. </p>

<p>sean</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-01T05:43:42Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5543-comment:46030</id>
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    <title>Comment from Farhad Divecha on 2008-02-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Farhad Divecha</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Open social has always been about Google finding a way to sell advertising and nothing else. If they can't buy all the social networks, the next best thing is to woo all the application developers into using their platform and then piggy-back the advertising as a "nice to have" along with...</p>

<p>We had expected that on day one itself (<a href="http://www.accuracast.com/search-daily-news/social-media-7471/google-to-launch-social-network-developer-tool-on-thursday/" rel="nofollow">AccuraCast Search Daily News - Google OpenSocial</a>)... <br />
I don't think anything has changed since then</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-01T12:27:56Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5543-comment:46033</id>
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    <title>Comment from Damon Henry on 2008-02-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Damon Henry</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I for one was never under the impression that OpenSocial = Data Portability.</p>

<p>Most of the hype that I read emphasised the ability to distribute widgets across multiple networks. With the formally locked-in Facebook API being the incumbent, OpenSocial made for a viable alternative.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-01T15:11:30Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5543-comment:46034</id>
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    <title>Comment from GraemeThickins on 2008-02-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>GraemeThickins</name>
        <uri>http://www.tech-surf-blog.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>so, what's everyone's take on the efforts of www.DataPortability.org and the Data Portability Group on Facebook?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-01T15:33:24Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5543-comment:46045</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ty Graham on 2008-02-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ty Graham</name>
        <uri>http://www.blipd.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Did you know that you can move widgets and media across multiple social networks AND video networks. Measure and monetize internet video NOW! Blip'd works right NOW and does everything mentioned above. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-01T18:25:57Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5543-comment:47593</id>
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    <title>Comment from SteveV on 2008-02-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>SteveV</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>There are other services out there that are actually more open for data portability, such as <a href="http://apppad.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://apppad.com" rel="nofollow">http://apppad.com</a></a> - a site which lets you built data-driven HTML+Javascript applications.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-25T01:09:48Z</published>
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