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    <published>2008-02-26T03:54:11Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-26T04:33:51Z</updated>
    <title>How Microsoft Can Beat Google on the Web: Take User Data to the Bank</title>
    <summary>The times are changing, Microsoft is losing and Google has won as computing moves to the web - right? That&apos;s not necessarily the case. In fact, Microsoft has a clear opportunity to come from behind online and dominate the future, albeit in a radically different way than they dominated the past. Look to the bank,...</summary>
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      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/ms_goog2.jpg" width="150px">The times are changing, Microsoft is losing and Google has won as computing moves to the web - right?  That's not necessarily the case.  In fact,  Microsoft has a clear opportunity to come from behind online and dominate the future, albeit in a radically different way than they dominated the past.  </p>

<p>Look to the bank, as metaphor, for one vision of how it could go down.  Microsoft could beat Google by embracing services the same way Google has but simultaneously building a strong bond of trust with users around protection and proper use of user data.  Like a bank, for user data.  I'd call this an emerging theory that not only I hold - what do you think?</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>Recent Context</h2>

<p>Microsoft <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/microsoft_makes_public_commitm.php">announced last week</a> that it is making what it called a major paradigm shift towards openness and APIs.  The company will monetize commercial use of those APIs, but it claimed that pricing would not be prohibitive.  </p>

<p>I didn't think a whole lot about the Microsoft announcement until I heard the latest episode of the Newsgang podcast (skip to second half for this part of the discussion) where Steve Gillmor made an argument similar to the one I make here.  Gillmor argued that Google is loosing credibility fast around privacy and user data concerns, leading to a big opportunity for Microsoft or someone else.</p>

<p>Specifically, Gillmor has been calling out Google for weeks over its failure to reply to user complaints about GMail contacts being ported into Google Reader as friends whose shared items are served up to you automatically.  On face it seems like a small issue, perhaps, but Gillmor says that the company's refusal to respond to this important-in-principal infraction of the contract with users is reminiscent of Nixon's early handling of Watergate's discovery.  I didn't understand for weeks why he was making this argument, but now I think I do.</p>

<p>This is really a story about how anyone could beat Google by focusing on creating a trustworthy environment in online services.  Microsoft has a particular opportunity to do so, especially if it buys Yahoo!  The following are my thoughts, so don't blame them too much on Gilmor.</p>

<h2>The Plan</h2>

<p>Here's four steps Microsoft could take to overcome Google in the fast-approaching era of user data online.</p>

<h2>1. Offer great services.</h2>

<p>Who says Microsoft can't compete with the anemic Google Office services and a host of web apps that are little more than "good enough" today?</p>

<p>Yahoo! Mail already rivals GMail, Upcoming is a great social calendar that could be expanded upon, everyone loves Flickr (just don't kill it) and Live.com is a good search engine that could fill the gap if people grow displeased with the Google brand and experience.  Virtual Earth and Live Maps are good products and there's plenty of market share already among traditional Microsoft services.  Office Live is a Rich Internet Application waiting to happen, throw in some Silverlight and the cross platform/RIA snazzieness just won't quit.</p>

<h2>2.  Buy Super bowl ads selling Microsoft services as the "banking experience" of the emerging era.</h2>

<p>Seriously, if Microsoft puts privacy and consumer data protection at the center of their promotional efforts that would work wonders to grow the above services.  Tell people they can get business-level security for their documents, photos, email and search history.  They use Microsoft at work and would happily choose continuity of trust over the one-hit search-wonder from Mountain View.  Other than search, Google's flagship product today is YouTube.  Do people want to perform their basic operations, quickly moving online, in the house of YouTube?  No.</p>

<p>Mass market consumers trust Microsoft, are used to giving them money and would be happy to get their online "wow" and day-to-day safe computing in a one-stop shopping experience.  Tell them that virus control is all centralized on servers in Redmond instead of blowing in the winds of porn on their local browsers and they'll jump at the opportunity.</p>

<p>The unspoken understanding is that "the other Guys" (Google) cut their teeth in the insecure Wild West of the Web's early days and still haven't grown up.  How hard would it be to paint Google as an irresponsible greenhorn that may have blazed the trail for online services but can't be trusted to take good care of your vital data assets?  It wouldn't be hard at all.</p>

<h2>3. Monetize those services</h2>

<p>Everyone buying ads is waiting for Google to get beat, or at least face a strong challenger.  No one wants to buy Google print or radio ads - those products are going nowhere.  Microsoft could make a tidy sum just growing their own (Overture+AdCenter) ad revenues against the above services.  </p>

<p>Don't just let Yahoo! Mail read peoples' emails and run directly contextual ads, tell people that their data is analyzed in anonymous aggregate - or just in-house by the trusted Microsoft brand.</p>

<p>Beyond traditional advertising, Microsoft could make a killing from offering appropriate product and service recommendations based on user data.  As Dr. Rick Hangartner, Chief Scientist at recommendation engine MyStrands, <a href="http://blog.mystrands.com/2007/12/17/what-is-the-recommender-industry/">wrote in a post for the ages last year</a> - sophisticated recommendation engines are going to make a big impact in the near-term future because "...while search engines help you find things you know you are looking for, discovery helps you find the rest."</p>

<p>At every appropriate pause in the aforementioned high-quality service experiences, Microsoft can make a recommendation, or up-sell, based on the data they acquired through a trust-based relationship with users.</p>

<h2>4. Pay the users interest</h2>

<p>Banking is the key metaphor in questions of user control over data.  When users give up temporary control over their data to an institution (a service provider) they have to have an acceptable amount of knowledge regarding what's being done with it, faith that it is being used in their interests (at least short term, investment in ecological imbalance be damned to follow the metaphor) and tangible, if small rewards for allowing said service provider to hold in trust and use their data.</p>

<p>Money is being made with user data, user data can be withdrawn and spent like cash at other service providers and so users deserve some small compensation like interest as a result.  Free software, premium services after a certain period of use, outright cash - whatever the case may be. </p>

<p>Crazy?  Google's got an army of users buying, selling and publishing their ads on user-owned real estate in exchange for a relatively small portion of the revenue in question.  I don't think the above scenario is crazy at all.</p>

<p>Or cut that last step out if you'd like.  I think steps one through three could come together on their own and paying users interest may be the weakest link here - but I don't think it's that weak.  I think the banking metaphor is going to be a compelling one for mass market users, too.</p>

<h2>Conclusion</h2>

<p>All of the above could happen.  Crazier things have happened.  If not Microsoft, someone else could do the same thing.  Google can't rest easily on its laurels and improved respect for the huge mass of user data it's beginning to collect will prove essential for the company's long term viability.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Rob La Gesse on 2008-02-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rob La Gesse</name>
        <uri>http://lagesse.org</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What is the link to the podcast?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T04:32:45Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5743-comment:47682</id>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall on 2008-02-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Marshall</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>rob, gillmor makes an interesting arguement that links are dead, so i don't link to his show, but he'd be right if he told you that you could find a more informative path to the same place with fewer keystrokes than it took to leave a comment ;)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T04:47:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall on 2008-02-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Marshall</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>rob, gillmor makes an interesting arguement that links are dead, so i don't link to his show, but he'd be right if he told you that you could find a more informative path to the same place with fewer keystrokes than it took to leave a comment ;)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T04:47:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Rob La Gesse on 2008-02-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rob La Gesse</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Ah - petty semantic argument between you and Steve keeps me from getting a link to the data you were discussing in this post.</p>

<p>That seems wrong.  If you mention a podcast, you should link to it - be damned what the "linkee" thinks about it.</p>

<p>Besides - it is the polite thing to offer your guests.</p>

<p>Rob</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T04:53:05Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from wpaven on 2008-02-25</title>
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        <name>wpaven</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Wow, so everyone's given up on Yahoo! huh?  Yahoo! IS the user bank of data.  </p>

<p>Y! holds the largest bank of user data out there.  They have more than Google (+ more than FB), they've got more social networking properties and have been in the game a lot longer collecting all sorts of data (In the U.S. and abroad).  Google's storing up the data as fast as it can, but many of your searches in G, land you on a Y! property, and while G moves to get everyone on their services so they can collect the data, Y!'s already got everyone locked. (Not just mail, look to delicious, flickr, fantasy football, answers, etc.)</p>

<p>MS knows time is of the essence, they haven't been able to build their own bank of user data, so their looking to buy someone elses, in the meantime, they rent from FB. I think you should've replaced MS with Y! in the title of the article.  Y! engineers have done experiments that prove they know how to monetize the social networks they've collected; through social search as well as social advertising.  Their mgmt just doesn't "get it" unfortunately.  Y!'s mgmt keeps aiming to play catchup with G and doesn't realize if they took out even a small withdrawal from their user savings, they could actually be number one on the web and a formidable threat to both MS and Google.  </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T06:03:10Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5743-comment:47692</id>
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    <title>Comment from martin english on 2008-02-25</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Actually, marshall, it's not as easy as you think - <a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?&q=gillmor+gang+podcast" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com.au/search?&q=gillmor+gang+podcast</a> points you to a podcast from 11/22/2006 </p>

<p>The next site in the list is IT Conversations, which has a December 31, 2004 podcast of the Gilmor gang.  </p>

<p>The NEXT site may be it, but quite frankly after waiting 5 miuntes (YES, 5 minutes) for the page that supposedly has "Resignation Gang Part I" on it, I cam back here and decided to vent :)</p>

<p>BTW, its taken me longer to NOT find the podcast in question than to write this comment :)  As the man said, it's just polite.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T06:23:08Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5743-comment:47694</id>
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    <title>Comment from martin english on 2008-02-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>martin english</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>He turns, He shoots, He scores... <br />
I found via <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gillmor_Gang" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gillmor_Gang</a> and <a href="http://gesturelab.com/" rel="nofollow">http://gesturelab.com/</a></p>

<p>what an intuitive web we live in :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T06:32:33Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5743-comment:47706</id>
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    <title>Comment from Robbie van der Blom on 2008-02-26</title>
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        <name>Robbie van der Blom</name>
        <uri>http://www.opesix.nl</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The moment they bought aQuantative, they lost all credibility with regards to being a bank. Their linkage to a marketing firm would leave just makes them unsuitable for being this so called bank, actually the only entity I will trust is me, myself and I ;)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T10:30:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from kuldeep on 2008-02-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>kuldeep</name>
        <uri>http://www.moviepresslive.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I must say..this is a very weak plan....you overlooked the insight into user experience.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T11:00:53Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5743-comment:47713</id>
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    <title>Comment from anon on 2008-02-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>anon</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Er, isn't this just MS Hailstorm aka Passport by a different name?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T11:53:37Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5743-comment:47715</id>
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    <title>Comment from Leaving The Day Job on 2008-02-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Leaving The Day Job</name>
        <uri>http://www.leavingthedayjob.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>MS fall at the first hurdle : "Offer great services". Even if they do buy out Yahoo they'll only go and stuff it up. MS doesn't "get" the internet.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T11:59:09Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Todd on 2008-02-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Todd</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'll avoid the "those who fail to learn from the past..." cliche and jump straight to the challenge;</p>

<p>Find one example - ONE - where a Microsoft service or product successfully put the end user first.</p>

<p>Bob?<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob</a><br />
Clippy?<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Assistant" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Assistant</a><br />
BSOD? RROD?<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems</a><br />
The Zune's share a song with a friend three times then it self destructs?<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PlaysForSure" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PlaysForSure</a><br />
Making members of the same family, living in the same house buy individual copies of Vista to be able to play networked games?<br />
<a href="http://digg.com/tech_news/Surprises_Inside_Microsoft_Vista_s_EULA_2" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/tech_news/Surprises_Inside_Microsoft_Vista_s_EULA_2</a><br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T14:43:28Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Bunreasonable on 2008-02-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Bunreasonable</name>
        <uri>http://unreasonablemen.net</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Marshall,</p>

<p>Very interesting play. The only fly in the ointment is MS's well publicised security flaws. My take is that a lot of this is as much cultural as it is technological.  ie those taht fess up to  doing some wrong AND address it are perceived to be significantly  less evil than the 'no comment ' gang.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-26T23:57:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Brendan on 2008-02-27</title>
    <author>
        <name>Brendan</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the previous comments.  Microsoft trying to sell itself as the "secure" SAAS company will be tough since their desktop/server products are generally not considered secure by the masses.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-27T13:38:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Evden Eve Nakliyat on 2008-02-27</title>
    <author>
        <name>Evden Eve Nakliyat</name>
        <uri>http://www.tutuncuoglunakliyat.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>thanks for your subject. it is very important for internet users.i will write your site .. please write </p>

<p>me back. thank you </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-27T23:51:07Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from PaulSweeney on 2008-02-28</title>
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        <name>PaulSweeney</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>AltaVista ? unbeatable. Google? Unbeatable.</p>

<p>However, BRAND does play a role here and MS does not have a good security brand. Passport left a bad taste in terms of users belief in their privacy.</p>

<p>So it comes down to some kind of Acting Out Your DNA. Has anyone out there painfully, and publicly supported security and privacy against their own "initial short term financial interest"? </p>

<p>Properly handled OpenSocial, Android, and other initiatives could underpin a better, more Open Privacy approach at Google. The company is still young enough to change.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-28T11:27:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from TJGodel on 2008-03-13</title>
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        <name>TJGodel</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think only a small percentage of users are concerned about protection and proper use of their data and their is no way Microsoft can market it's way into a trusted relationship with users. Microsoft/Yahoo when it happens will spend years trying to integrate, while Google races ahead with it's mobile strategy and smaller rivals of Microsoft/Yahoo pick away at dissatisfied customers who fall thru the integration cracks.</p>

<p><br />
Sure Google makes missteps when it comes to data protection, but so has many other large provider. I'm not defending Google, but until they make a massive mistake there won't be mass defection to Microsoft/Yahoo.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-13T16:34:47Z</published>
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