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    <published>2008-02-17T08:20:50Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-17T09:13:32Z</updated>
    <title>Comment of the Day: Semantic Web &quot;Great For Diddling&quot;</title>
    <summary>Our 6th daily Comments Competition winner comes from a comment on our post 11 Things To Know About Semantic Web. It came from Alan Wilensky, who wrote that &quot;all of the [Semantic Web] tech that has been so promised is great for diddling, but we haven&apos;st seen productivity delivered.&quot; Congratulations Alan, you&apos;ve won a $30...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/comments_comp_gold_star.jpg" />Our 6th daily <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/rww_comments_competition.php">Comments Competition</a> winner comes from a comment on our post <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/semantic_web_11_things_to_know.php">11 Things To Know About Semantic Web</a>. It came from <a href="http://bizcast.typepad.com/">Alan Wilensky</a>, who <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/semantic_web_11_things_to_know.php#comment-46931">wrote that</a> "all of the [Semantic Web] tech that has been so promised is great for diddling, but we haven'st seen productivity delivered." Congratulations Alan, you've won a $30 Amazon voucher, courtesy of our competition sponsors AdaptiveBlue and their <a href="http://www.adaptiveblue.com/widgets_auto.html?section=amz&name=Your%20Wish%20List">Amazon WishList Widget</a>.</p>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Here is Alan's full comment which, despite starting off a little pompously, makes some interesting points:</p>
<blockquote><p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/semantic_web_feb08b.jpg" align="right" />"Kingsley, help, they are making our poor semanticshamntic web complicated again.</p>

<p>There should be a license required to write about the two big topics in semantic technologies:</p>

<p>1) The technology behind it - generally recognized as the greatest blunder the W3C has ever made; OWL and RDFS.</p>

<p>2) The effects and resulting applications that will emerge from these technologies, and the competing technologies that leap over the OWL/RDFS abortion. (Computational Linguistics, Machine learning).</p>

<p>If the author is a computer scientist actually working in the field, please accept my apologies, I'm nit here to tear down, but really, all of the tech that has been so promised is great for diddling, but we haven'st seen productivity delivered.</p>

<p>And, I have been installing semantic browsers, add-ons, etc., since 2004.</p>

<p>Personally,  I believe that the delivery of functions of the semantic whatever, will have to be delivered as fully integrated tools and services.</p>

<p>The man on the street, including some savvy small business folks, are just getting up on web apps as a service, giving up the local server in favor of services, and just getting wrapped around blogs and such as a marketing channel.</p>

<p>Enough on Semantic Punditry - unless you would like to order my report on the semantic web for an introductory price of $895.00, you will need the semantic browser extension to read it, and will then  be able to surf contextual links that are related to your email thread and porn chats." </p></blockquote>
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    <title>Comment from VentureDeal on 2008-02-17</title>
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        <name>VentureDeal</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Funny guy!  Sounds like a Brit...</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-17T15:39:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Alan Wilensky on 2008-02-17</title>
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        <name>Alan Wilensky</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I just want to thank the people, the little people, that helped me get to this splendid occasion:</p>

<p>Maw and Paw, brother Dan, and sis Suzy</p>

<p>Fatha time.</p>

<p>and Coach Ernie. </p>

<p>Coach, those girls were too young, there that day under the bleachers....and one of them was your daughter.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-17T18:14:23Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Alan Wilensky on 2008-02-17</title>
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        <name>Alan Wilensky</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Actually that was a little off colour! </p>

<p>Sorry.</p>

<p>I thought my "Fix Yahoo Comment", was better.</p>

<p>"I would turn Yahoo's Sunnyvale campus into low and moderate income housing and small business retail and technology incubator space."</p>

<p>But thanks for the sublime recognition!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-17T19:21:33Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2008-02-17</title>
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        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Alan, you're welcome.... I think.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-17T19:28:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Eric Willis on 2008-02-17</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>You're a riot Alan...lol</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-17T20:25:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Benjamin Nowack on 2008-02-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Benjamin Nowack</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Well, I can only speak for myself (and a little web agency I'm running), but RDF and SPARQL have been productivity boosters for quite some time here now:<br />
 * drastically reduced time-to-launch (the whole data management infrastructure comes for free)<br />
 * agile "data first" development (the model can freely evolve at run-time, even re-mapping to other structures is easy to do)<br />
 * Web API development in no-time (SPARQL already has a generic interface to start from)</p>

<p>I guess Alan talks more about end-user productivity, but there is also the aspect of *implementing* apps with SemWeb tech. To give a simple example: we created an IRC bot at last week-end's SemanticCamp in London. It took us just a few hours (including a web frontend) to setup a system that aggregates arbitrary data from the structured web (RSS feeds, microformatted data, RDF), and anyone could then traverse his/here/other's social graph with simple IRC commands. And as the bot commands are based on SPARQL anyone could add new ones after a short intro.<br />
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(BTW: To me OWL and RDFS are not really the *key* technologies behind W3C's SemWeb effort. They are part of the menu, but there is absolutely no necessity to order a 5-course "meal". The key tech is the RDF triple model. And SPARQL is the key enabler on top of that.)<br />
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    <published>2008-02-18T18:26:51Z</published>
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