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  <updated>2008-07-07T13:53:28Z</updated>
  <title>Comments for 2008 Web Predictions</title>
  
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    <published>2008-02-08T22:10:12Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-08T23:17:48Z</updated>
    <title>When Facebook Ads Go Wrong</title>
    <summary> Social ads have social consequences. Josh Kopelman, Managing Director of VC firm First Round Capital, recently found that out. Kopelman, a very savvy web 2.0 investor who got in early with StumbleUpon, Odeo, LinkedIn, and others, tried an experiment with Facebook&apos;s controversial SocialAds advertising system. He spent $50 to test the platform, with an...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[ <p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/leaving_yahoo.png" />Social ads have social consequences. Josh Kopelman, Managing Director of VC firm First Round Capital, recently <a href="http://redeye.firstround.com/2008/02/how-to-lose-fan.html">found that out</a>. Kopelman, a very savvy web 2.0 investor who got in early with StumbleUpon, Odeo, LinkedIn, and others, tried <a href="http://redeye.firstround.com/2008/02/microsoftyahoo.html">an experiment</a> with Facebook's controversial <a href="http://www.facebook.com/business/?socialads">SocialAds</a> advertising system. He spent $50 to test the platform, with an advertisement for his VC fund. Specifically he ran an advert targeting Yahoo and Microsoft employees who may be thinking of leaving their jobs to do a startup (see top left image).</p>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Initially the experiment seemed to be working, with reports of Yahoo employees clicking the ads. But in <a href="http://redeye.firstround.com/2008/02/how-to-lose-fan.html">a follow-up post</a>, Kopelman discovered the ads had unintended consequences.</p>
<p>It turned out that the advert was being displayed alongside photos of current Yahoo employees - people who had previously joined the First Round Capital Facebook group. In other words, they were connected in Facebook's system by being associated with both Yahoo and First Round Capital via its Groups feature. But the way the advert was displayed made it seem like those people were leaving Yahoo, something which Josh Kopelman had no intention of implying. One of the Yahoo people affected wrote to Josh:</p>
<blockquote><p>"I don’t want my colleagues to think I’m leaving Yahoo, so while your experiment is ongoing, I’ve pulled my “Facebook fandom” for First Round Capital, but I very much remain a fan!"</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't think the below image is the specific case noted above, but it's one example of how Josh's advert was presented in Facebook. It shows the ad displayed alongside an announcement regarding Upcoming founder <a href="http://waxy.org/">Andy Baio</a> leaving Yahoo:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/leaving_yahoo2.jpg" /><br />
<i><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/brevity/1995413091/">Image from flipzagging</a></i></p>
<p>We've <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_moveon_beacon_privacy.php">explored the consequences</a> of Facebook's social ads many times before on ReadWriteWeb, but the above tale is a great illustration of the issues. Another example that our own Josh Catone thought up: "what happens if say Person X, who is a celebrity of some sort, has a deal endorsing Sports Drink A.... then Sports Drink B takes out an ad and makes it social, and Person X is shown on Facebook endorsing Drink B... which violates his contract with Drink A."</p>
<p>I'm sure you can think of many other ways social ads can go awry. As one of Kopelman's commenters, Joe Lazarus, <a href="http://redeye.firstround.com/2008/02/how-to-lose-fan.html#comment-100483248">noted</a>: "The entire concept is backwards. Facebook should be using what they know about people's interests to target ads to THEM, not their friends. Their monetization strategy is doomed in it's current form."</p>
<p>I wouldn't go that far, because I think Facebook's social ads scheme is ambitious - but eventually they will solve these problems using technology (or a combo of that and opt-in / privacy checks). Facebook rightly sees a huge revenue opportunity in targeting ads socially, it's just that right now the system stomps all over peoples privacy. No big deal, right? Well yes it is, which is unfortunate for Facebook and anyone who ends up endorsing products without their knowledge.</p>
<p>So the big question is: should Facebook pull its SocialAds platform until it has a solution to these unintended consequences?</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Jeremy on 2008-02-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jeremy</name>
        <uri>http://www.funadvice.com/my/thedude</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>As a former Yahoo, I totally understand how this could be embarrassing. However most of the really talented people I know got fed up & left over the last few years already...so, it's not too much of a surprise this ad could cause some red faces, especially because the people being caught reading are probably in the middle of polishing their resume and or VC pitch :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-08T22:50:38Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5599-comment:46422</id>
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    <title>Comment from OnkelSchark on 2008-02-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>OnkelSchark</name>
        <uri>http://twitter.com/OnkelSchark</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Completely off topic, but Andy Baio's site is <a href="http://waxy.org/" rel="nofollow">http://waxy.org/</a> not .com</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-08T23:08:46Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5599-comment:46423</id>
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    <title>Comment from Devlin on 2008-02-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Devlin</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I don't think they should take the ads down for a couple of reasons:</p>

<p>1) Pulling the ads would take them out of the users' and advertisers' minds. They must maintain a consistent presence to make their new ad platform a success and keep plugging away at it.</p>

<p>2) Active use yields more test scenarios for making it better. Developers can only think of so many test cases where the algorithm(s) might fail, but active use and user feedback is ultimately what makes good software great.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-08T23:13:30Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5599-comment:46424</id>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2008-02-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@OnkelSchark, thanks -- updated.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-08T23:18:51Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5599-comment:46425</id>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall Kirkpatrick on 2008-02-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Where is Baio going post Upcoming/Yahoo?  Ooooh yeah... Portland, Oregon - the place to be!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-08T23:22:18Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5599-comment:46427</id>
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    <title>Comment from Justin Wickett on 2008-02-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Justin Wickett</name>
        <uri>http://jwickett.tumblr.com/post/21118895</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I had a very similar experience happen to me.</p>

<p>I would get a sexually explicit ad whenever I would look at a female friend's pictures. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-09T00:06:00Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5599-comment:46429</id>
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    <title>Comment from Marc on 2008-02-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Marc</name>
        <uri>http://www.trumptheniche.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Joe Lazarus, noted: "The entire concept is backwards. Facebook should be using what they know about people's interests to target ads to THEM, not their friends. Their monetization strategy is doomed in it's current form."</p>

<p>I would fully agree actually.  It's all about what people DO, what apps they have installed and use, combine those to get a mental graph so to speak.  If one likes photo apps target video cameras to them, if one likes flash games target games.</p>

<p>Anyway, they will have to change to this, or yes like you said they will die (if they want to rely on ad dollars).</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-09T00:50:51Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5599-comment:46502</id>
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    <title>Comment from Lisa on 2008-02-11</title>
    <author>
        <name>Lisa</name>
        <uri>http://www.creativemonies.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I do not like the fact that I look at a friends site and then automatically get associated with all their interests....that is not me.  Until this is straightend out I will not be exploring interests any longer on Facebooks.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-11T14:06:53Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5599-comment:46506</id>
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    <title>Comment from Matt Sherman on 2008-02-11</title>
    <author>
        <name>Matt Sherman</name>
        <uri>http://www.happy420.net</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Impeach for a clean election!</p>

<p>Happy 420,</p>

<p>MS</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-02-11T15:42:05Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5599-comment:46517</id>
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    <title>Comment from Eliyahu m Profesorsky on 2008-02-11</title>
    <author>
        <name>Eliyahu m Profesorsky</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi.<br />
We should have expiring date to each information we put in the internet. as well as the written date.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-11T19:05:37Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5599-comment:46537</id>
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    <title>Comment from Mandy S on 2008-02-11</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mandy S</name>
        <uri>http://www.directdigital.com.au</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>As a facebook advertiser, I am a huge fan of social ads - they have yielded greater results for us than other major search engine advertising.  I can see the potential problems with more controversial ads, but the power of 'spreading the word' organically is amazing.  The people most likely to share your interests are your friends after all...</p>

<p>I personally think there is more of a problem with the intention of placing a 'leaving yahoo' ad next to yahoo references - I kind of feel it is a bad faith gesture.  I think it is very foreseeable that a negative outcome would arise.  As for a competitor product being displayed on the same page, everyone knows that facebook ads are not in the control of the person who's profile is displayed, so it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that a contractual obligation may be breached...</p>

<p>Anyhow, interesting article, thanks for posting.<br />
Mandy</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-02-11T21:26:15Z</published>
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