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    <published>2008-03-03T21:15:23Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-03T21:52:16Z</updated>
    <title>AllPeers Closes - What Happened to the Glorious Future of P2P?</title>
    <summary>Today we heard that P2P browser plug-in AllPeers has shut down, a blow to a market that seemed very promising back in 2006. Indeed, with AllPeer&apos;s closure and the lack of progress of similar services such as Skyrider, we have to wonder about the viability of commercialising P2P as a service....</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/allpeers_logo_mar08.jpg" />Today we heard that  P2P browser plug-in <a href="http://www.allpeers.com/">AllPeers</a> has <a href="http://www.allpeers.com/blog/2008/03/03/allpeers-service-shutting-down-today/">shut down</a>, a blow to a market that seemed <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/skyrider_and_p2pfuture.php">very promising back in 2006</a>. Indeed, with AllPeer's closure and the lack of progress of similar services such as <a href="http://www.skyrider.com/">Skyrider</a>, we have to wonder about the viability of commercialising P2P as a service.</p>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Back in August 2006 <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/skyrider_and_p2pfuture.php">we wrote about a service called Skyrider</a>, which at that point was promising they'd launch &quot;by fall&quot;. A Skyrider press release from that time trumpeted that &quot;P2P has the potential to be the dominant network architecture of this century&quot; and there was no shortage of blog buzz - e.g. Tim O'Reilly <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/08/skyrider_commercializing_p2p.html">likened Skyrider to Google</a>. All this for an unlaunched, unseen product. But unfortunately, 18 months later, there's still no sign of the product.</p>
<p><img src="http://static.flickr.com/60/208716250_e2d3196b0b.jpg?v=0" /><br /><i>Some P2P promising apps circa 2006; <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/red_swoosh_p2p_apple.php">RedSwoosh</a> had a nice exit, <a href="http://www.akamai.com/redswoosh">acquired by Akamai</a> in April '07.</i></p>
<p>As we noted back in '06, P2P is about many-to-many distribution and has so far been most useful for distributing music and other large multimedia files. Just today we heard that the music band Nine Inch Nails is <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/nine_inch_nails_releases_album_on_bittorrent.php">releasing their new album via BitTorrent</a>. So clearly P2P is of great utility for distributing media over the Web. And let's face it, <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/p2p_potential_future_applications.php">P2P could be the key</a> to the future of social networking and online video - two of the most important parts of the consumer Web - because P2P provides a scalable architecture for storing large media files. The trend is for UGC (user generated content) to continue to ramp up, with more and more multimedia (= large files).</p>
<p>There have been some notable web 2.0 apps built on top of P2P networks. The most famous is probably <a href="http://www.skype.com">Skype</a> - self-described as &quot;the first P2P telephony network&quot;. Skype has proven that P2P can be the backbone of a very successful startup venture, if all the stars align. </p>
<p>However AllPeer's failure and Skyrider's 'failure to launch' indicates that the commercial market for P2P, as a standalone service, is as hard as ever to crack. Skyrider is said to be still around and <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2008/02/22/skyrider-investment-suggests-advertising-on-p2p-might-not-be-so-easy-after-all/">raising money</a>, but frankly it's not a good look to promise something revolutionary and 18 months later still not have a real product out.</p>
<h2>Conclusion: Commercialising P2P = Tough Market</h2>
<p>AllPeers set out to add &quot;file sharing to the web browser&quot;. Technically the service seemed fine, however the reason for the closure according to their blog is that &quot;we have not achieved the kind of growth in our user base that our investors were expecting, and as a result we are not able to continue operating the service.&quot; That indicates that AllPeer's problems were more based around marketing and the luck of the draw in getting a startup to ramp up (which can be as <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/stumbleupon_interview.php">serendipitous as a StumbleUpon click</a>).</p>
<p>We've seen that P2P can be used with success in a startup (ref Skype); and of course there is still a <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/private_p2p.php">thriving underground network for P2P</a>. However commercialising P2P as a service appears to be going nowhere fast (if anyone has an update on Skyrider, please leave a comment). And it also perhaps indicates that technically speaking, P2P holds too many challenges for startups to commercialise - that seemed to be the opionion of <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/interview_with_sun.php">Tim Bray and Radia Perlman of Sun Microsystems</a> when I interviewed them in August 2006. </p>
<p>What are your thoughts on P2P's commercial future?</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Sarah Perez on 2008-03-03</title>
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        <name>Sarah Perez</name>
        <uri>http://www.sarahintampa.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Another one to watch is NBC Direct's use of Pando's P2P for high-def downloads...I'm wondering if that will succeed. </p>

<p>The thing is, we really need commercial P2P to succeed so that it doesn't become completely associated with illegal activity and banned by ignorant lawmakers.</p>

<p>If anything, P2P should be like the phone network...just because illegal transactions are made over phone lines, doesn't mean the lines themselves or the way the data is transmitted over the copper should be outlawed.</p>

<p>I'm sorry to see AllPeers shut down, but perhaps browser integration is not where commercial P2P will achieve success. I think it's possible that P2P will emerge to be the supporting backbone of technologies and services (like, as you mention, Skype)...invisible to the user, but critical to the businesses it supports.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-03T21:34:25Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Esdee on 2008-03-03</title>
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        <name>Esdee</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>For the big corporate businesses - p2p=evil.<br />
Thus it will be hard to convince them that it can be a powerful tool to use to enrich their users' experience with their service.<br />
One way to do it - all ISP that open p2p ports (allow their clients to use bit-torrent applications) pay to the big 4 (or 6, 12, whatever) a fee - pretty much as all cd makers do, and all music cassettes producers have for years.<br />
One step closer to the Closed Internet - the net where the corporations can be safe that no one will threat their hardly gained IP (music, video, news), while utilizing the once-rogue technologies</p>

<p>voila!<br />
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    <published>2008-03-03T22:21:13Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5802-comment:48243</id>
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    <title>Comment from Yakov on 2008-03-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Yakov</name>
        <uri>http://blog.quintura.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>you can't build a viable business around a browser plug-in, do you.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-03T22:22:30Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5802-comment:48245</id>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2008-03-03</title>
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        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Sarah and Yakov, good point re Allpeers being a browser plug-in and so that makes it even harder to build a viable business.</p>

<p>Probably Akamai's acquisition of RedSwoosh points to the future of 'services' p2p businesses -- only the big guns will be able to monetize it.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-03T22:58:10Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5802-comment:48246</id>
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    <title>Comment from Phil Morle on 2008-03-03</title>
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        <name>Phil Morle</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>P2P hasn't gone anywhere, its just not overtly featured. We now describe technology in a much more consumer-centric way and the tech is almost irrelevant. e.g.</p>

<p>- "Make calls from your computer" - instead of "P2P phone calls" in the case of Skype.</p>

<p>Bittorrent is commonly used in routine tasks - consider how World of Warcraft distributes updates.</p>

<p>New debates about the future of Twitter products using XMPP is a p2p paradigm.</p>

<p>There is also some interesting work going on to make massively multiplayer online game platforms that scale well using p2p.</p>

<p>Now if you mean 'file-sharing' rather than 'p2p', I'd say that's been superceded by the 'read-write web' :-) where cheap bandwidth and tw-way thinking have made services like YouTube feed the users their desire to share their creativity.  I should note that the early days of Kazaa, before the legal battle kicked in, was very similar to in feel to You Tube... lots of user generated videos etc...</p>

<p>These early file-sharing products were the world's first taste of a web that belongs to users and were early signs of web 2.0. </p>

<p>What's next?</p>

<p>I think there is some chance that the current market will not be able to sustain the cost burden of massive files (e.g. video) being delivered form web servers and we may need to come back to P2P in a file-sharing context. I expect that next time around it will be done with more consumer controls and the capacity for ISPs to cache things on their own network to preserve costs.</p>

<p><br />
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    <published>2008-03-03T23:31:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2008-03-03</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment Phil. I guess it comes down to P2P being an infrastructure or 'platform' play (in the parlance of web 2.0). AllPeers tried to add social networking to the act of file sharing, and it didn't pan out - maybe because a browser plug-in wasn't ultimately how people want to do that. It seems that Skyrider wants to be a p2p platform for commercial apps, but as yet we've not seen any evidence of it.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-04T00:28:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Brian Miller on 2008-03-05</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This sucks... I guess I'll just move onto the 2Peer.com surely they will last.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-05T23:00:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Avatar X on 2008-03-06</title>
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        <name>Avatar X</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It is pretty simple, they were stubborn and decided not to develop a IE version of the plugin.</p>

<p>look at stumbleupon, foxytunes and piclens. </p>

<p>they got big, and two of them got acquired once they had a equal IE version running. </p>

<p>another mistake was not to make a post to flock from the start, since allpeers didn`t worked in flock until flock was at 0.9 i think. the kind of people using flock is exactly the kind people that would use a service like Allpeers. </p>

<p>you need more reasons than those basic business common sense points when making a expensive plugin like this one?  </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-06T08:18:25Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Peter Grill on 2008-03-06</title>
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        <name>Peter Grill</name>
        <uri>http://www.2peer.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
For those looking for an alternative, try 2Peer.com. I have tested it and it works great. If you have any questions, feel free to email me at 'peterGrill1 AT GMAIL'.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-07T02:37:34Z</published>
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