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    <published>2008-03-25T05:09:41Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-25T06:01:00Z</updated>
    <title>Yahoo! Releases Badges for Pipes</title>
    <summary>Yahoo! Pipes is one of the coolest apps on the web for messing around with data. You can use it to splice together feeds, filter them, pull photos from Flickr and do a whole lot more. Some usability improvements would be nice but a little bit of experimentation goes a long way. One thing Pipes...</summary>
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      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/yahoo_pipes_logo.jpg"><a href="http://pipes.yahoo.com">Yahoo! Pipes</a> is one of the coolest apps on the web for messing around with data.  You can use it to splice together feeds, filter them, pull photos from Flickr and do a whole lot more.  Some usability improvements would be nice but a little bit of experimentation goes a long way.</p>

<p>One thing Pipes has not done before today is offer a way to display updated data automatically on another web page.  That has finally changed with <a href="http://developer.yahoo.net/blog/archives/2008/03/badges_for_yaho.html">the release of some javascript badges from the Pipes team</a>.  They are nice, but they aren't really good enough, to be honest.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>Three types of badges are now available and at least one is easy to use.  That's the list badge, demonstrated below in displaying the best of the weird hunting blogs, a Pipe we wrote about creating in this post, "<a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_weirdest_stuff_on_the_internet.php">How to Find the Weirdest Stuff on the Internet</a>."</p>

<p><script src="http://pipes.yahoo.com/js/listbadge.js">{"pipe_id":"DIpRqMnC3BG2IykeiXrL0A","_btype":"list"}</script></p>

<p>The second badge type is the geotagged photos badge.  I'll be damned if I can filter Flickr by geotag in Pipes, no matter what I put in the the location field it doesn't work for me.  Maybe you're smarter than me though and will appreciate this feature.<br />
<script src="http://pipes.yahoo.com/js/mapbadge.js">{"pipe_id":"JIaKdyr63BGW7Bvk9IS63A","_btype":"map"}</script></p>

<p>The final badge type is the slideshow badge, again displaying Flickr images.<br />
<script src="http://pipes.yahoo.com/js/imagebadge.js">{"pipe_id":"JIaKdyr63BGW7Bvk9IS63A","_btype":"image"}</script></p>

<h2>What's wrong with these badges?</h2>

<p>I display RSS feeds on web pages all the time, I love it.  I use a great service called <a href="http://feeddigest.com">FeedDigest</a>.  Unfortunately, since its recent acquisition by a large Russian software company FeedDigest hasn't been very hospitable to new users.  None the less, I use it all the time in important situations.  I pay more than a hundred dollars a year for premium capacity there and I pay it happily.  Yahoo! Pipes is really useful too - it's in the same class as <a href="http://dapper.net">Dapper</a> and <a href="http://aiderss.com">AideRSS</a> in terms of usefulness, maybe even more useful albeit less easy to use.</p>

<p>For the more code savvy, <a href="http://magpierss.sourceforge.net/">MagpieRSS</a> on your own server is the way to go.  The idea behind these tools, though, is that they let progressively less technical people do progressively more powerful things.  It's in that way that the Pipes team dropped the ball with these badges.</p>

<p>Why are the new Pipes badges suitable only in a pinch, or in inconsequential situations?  First, contrary to what Yahoo's Jeremy Zawodney says in the demo video embedded below, these badges are not particularly customizable at all.  They are a single line of javascript with one or two drop downs or fields to define traits like height and width.  Perhaps heavier customization could be done with a lot of elbow grease and the Pipes backend, but for all intents and purposes these badges are uncustomizable.  App vendors should stop calling skinnable displays "customizable" because a growing class of self-publishers wants much more.  That's the case in the video publishing world and that's the case here.</p>

<p>Second, the output is via javascript, so it's invisible to search engines.  Other alternatives provide PHP code to add to a page.  You can do serious processing with Pipes, so why don't these badges enable you to finish a serious job?</p>

<p>I would love for Yahoo to provide real customization and search engine visible PHP output.  That's my ambivalent but interested take on this announcement, let's look at the happy faces of Yahoo! folks showing us how it works.</p>

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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5959-comment:50138</id>
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    <title>Comment from Aaron on 2008-03-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Aaron</name>
        <uri>http://aaronmentele.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'll see your Magpie and raise you <a href="http://simplepie.org/" rel="nofollow">SimplePie</a>.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-25T13:59:35Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5959-comment:50141</id>
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    <title>Comment from Aaron B. Hockley on 2008-03-25</title>
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        <name>Aaron B. Hockley</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It doesn't necessarily bother me that the badges are simple, what bothers me is that the level/complexity of the badges is so far out of whack with the level/complexity of Pipes itself that it's almost laughable.  Pipes isn't a simple tool, even for relatively simple tasks.  One could assume that if someone has created a pipe to do anything beyond "redisplay a single feed" that they're probably (for lack of a better term) a bit geeky.</p>

<p>Maybe Yahoo is trying to make Pipes more user-friendly, but if they think that Flickr badges are the best fit for the average Pipes user, I think they're mistaken.  A pipes tool that spit out a PHP or ASP.NET snippet would be highly appropriate.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-25T14:36:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall Kirkpatrick on 2008-03-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks Aarons, great comments.  Double thanks for pointing to SimplePie, Aaron!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-25T16:14:50Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.5959-comment:50158</id>
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    <title>Comment from Robert Bardou on 2008-03-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Robert Bardou</name>
        <uri>http://www.armadareviews.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I hate Yahoo Pipes. ;) I didn't have the patience to finish before the end of any pipe there.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-25T16:44:27Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Robert S. Robbins on 2008-03-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Robert S. Robbins</name>
        <uri>http://www.williamsportwebdeveloper.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>None of your badges are working. I just see the pipes graphic pulsing. But I love Yahoo! Pipes and use their service a lot because it can transform XML data feeds into JSON data feeds. This has allowed me to avoid the cross domain access restrictions of XMLHttpRequest calls. </p>

<p>Using Yahoo! Pipes I can get a JSON data feed from any web service or developer's API regardless of whether or not they provide their data in JSON format.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-03-26T14:17:48Z</published>
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