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  <title>Comments for Alternative Search Engines Day - Call For Alts to Band Together</title>
  
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    <published>2008-04-21T22:09:27Z</published>
    <updated>2008-04-21T23:22:03Z</updated>
    <title>Alternative Search Engines Day - Call For Alts to Band Together</title>
    <summary>I&apos;m at the Alternative Search Engines Day, in San Francisco, an event put on by our network blog AltSearchEngines. We started out with a keynote talk by ASE editor Charles Knight, who noted that alternative search engines only have about 1.7% market share combined. He thinks this is too small, so he wants all of...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/ase_day_banner_small.jpg" />I'm at the <a href="http://altsearchengines.com/2008/04/21/today-is-alternative-search-engines-day/">Alternative Search Engines Day</a>, in San Francisco, an event put on by our network blog <a href="http://altsearchengines.com/">AltSearchEngines</a>. We started out with a keynote talk by ASE editor Charles Knight, who noted that alternative search engines only have about 1.7% market share combined. He thinks this is too small, so he wants all of the &quot;alts&quot; - you can see a list of them on our subsite <a href="http://www.thesearchrace.com/all.php">The Search Race</a> -  to band together  to make a bigger impact on the search market. </p>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Charles discussed current aggregation approaches such as <a href="http://www.sputtr.com/">Sputtr</a>, which puts multiple search engines onto one page (see screenshot below), but he also outlined a vision for a Virtual World for alt search engines.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/sputtr_apr08.jpg" /><br />
    <em>Sputtr</em></p>
<p>Charles pointed out that although Sputtr is a great app, it is difficult for mainstream users to grok. For one thing ordinary users won't know how to make sense of all the logos. Also people outside the tech industry will not know many of the brands of the smaller search companies. So Charles suggested that a virtual world approach could be the answer, whereby different alt search engines are represented in a 3D world according to the type of search they provide. For example if you are looking for a job, then there will be a virtual representation of this in the 3D world and a number of job search engines available to meet that need.</p>
<p>This &quot;federated search&quot; approach, as someone in the audience termed it, is one way for the hundreds of small search startups to increase their overall market share. Another approach is to create a <strong>common platform for alts</strong>, using APIs and UI standards (suggested over lunch to me by Morgan Snyder from <a href="http://allth.at/">allth.at</a>).</p>
<p>Also on the opening discussion panel were myself, Nitin Karandikar from <a href="http://blog.softwareabstractions.com/">The Software Abstractions Blog</a>, and Henrick Kac from <a href="http://www.blogdimension.com/en/">BlogDimension</a>. Nitin recently wrote a post entitled <a href="http://altsearchengines.com/2008/04/20/cooperation-of-alt-search-engines-a-manifesto/">Cooperation of Alt Search Engines: A Manifesto</a> (original <a href="http://blog.softwareabstractions.com/the_software_abstractions/2008/04/cooperation-of.html">here</a>), which outlined 5 possibilities for alts to cooperate - e.g. &quot;Search Federations of complementary ASEs&quot;.</p>
<p><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2118/2431705714_fbfe171c03.jpg?v=0" /><br /><em>Opening panel, photo <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenextweb/2431705714/">by Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten</a></em></p>
<h2>Conclusion</h2>
<p>The overarching theme to AltSearchEngines Day is to encourage the alts to band together and help each other reach the mainstream audience. Anyone who regularly reads AltSearchEngines will know that there is a ton of innovation in search, literally hundreds of niche and vertical search startups. So this effort to join together to compete with (or complement) the likes of Google and Microsoft is very commendable - and as I mentioned in the panel, ReadWriteWeb heartily supports it.</p>
<p>Special thanks to Charles Knight for the vision and pulling this day together, and also LA Lassek and the <a href="http://seeqpod.com">SeeqPod</a> team for organizing the event. Thanks as well to the sponsors of this event: <a href="http://www.seeqpod.com/">SeeqPod</a>, <a href="http://www.uptake.com/">UpTake</a>, <a href="http://www.healthpricer.com/">HealthPricer</a>, <a href="http://www.matchpoint.com/">MatchPoint</a>, <a href="http://www.gopubmed.org/">GoPubMed</a>, <a href="http://www.blogdimension.com/en/">BlogDimension</a>.</p>
<p>When I was doing the intros at the start, I noted that Charles is &quot;the voice of alternative search engines&quot; in this industry. He really is galvinising and leading the alts forward as a group. Be sure to subscribe to <a href="http://altsearchengines.com/">AltSearchEngines</a> to track this initiative.</p>
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    <title>Comment from Elliott Ng on 2008-04-23</title>
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        <name>Elliott Ng</name>
        <uri>http://www.uptake.com/blog</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>

<p>Kudos to Charles for organizing this and getting some very exciting but lesser known thinkers together to discuss the future of search.</p>

<p>We'll be blogging a summary of the event and will post more on our blog at <a href="http://www.uptake.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://www.uptake.com/blog</a> as soon as we can.</p>

<p>For now, here are the photos I took of the event.  If I mistagged or failed to tag people, please comment and I will fix the photos.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/elliottng/sets/72157604693728071/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/elliottng/sets/72157604693728071/</a><br />
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    <published>2008-04-23T14:36:15Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6154-comment:52805</id>
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    <title>Comment from Steven Emery on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Steven Emery</name>
        <uri>http://www.mylocator.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>people are definitely lazy when it comes to learning something new.  network incentives could be used to bring users to register at the alt network.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T20:47:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from alex on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>alex</name>
        <uri>http://plasticshore.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who stumbled over the 3d bit? How would alt search become more accessible to the main stream through a virtual world?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T09:05:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from p-air on 2008-04-21</title>
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        <name>p-air</name>
        <uri>http://direwolff.wordpress.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Is it really necessary that the "alts" band together?  Is it possible that while somewhat innovative they are not "better enough" than what's available or are not attacking pain points that people care sufficiently about?  I'm not trying to be a naysayer as it's great to see companies thinking out-of-the-box and trying new things, but this doesn't mean they should succeed for such.  Think about the apps that have caught your imagination or your fancy...was it because of their name (or the meaning behind this)?  Was it because what they did was innovative?  Or was it simply because they solved a particular problem for which no adequate solution existed prior to this?</p>

<p>While I enjoy trying out many of these new search engines, I find that way too many of them are not really solving anything "better enough" than the alternatives available to us today.</p>

<p>I hope this dissenting view doesn't come across as hurtful since that's not my intent, just throwing out the idea that most of "alts" aren't there yet w/an innovation that challenges the status quo.  Or at least overcomes our laziness to learn a new way of doing things ;)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T04:57:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Steven Emery on 2008-04-21</title>
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        <name>Steven Emery</name>
        <uri>http://www.mylocator.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>problem most alt engines have is a horrible domain name that is not strategic keyphrase toplevel or niche.  No one would ever find them through direct navigation.  What good is a alt engine for efficiency if you have to teach users what the domain means.  Location is the holy grail to all online endeavors.  mylocator.com attempts to address these location issues with a 1300 multichannel strategic vertical locator domain network.  The alt network is a good idea and would be most efficienct if all the network sites are displayed in a uniform manner. layout, design, basic format.  A family layout network of alt destinations.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T03:21:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ernst-Jan Pfauth on 2008-04-21</title>
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        <name>Ernst-Jan Pfauth</name>
        <uri>http://www.dutchproblogger.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the informative and inspiring day. We've covered quite a lot on our The Next Web blog. 6 articles with live blogging and interviews. See: <a href="http://thenextweb.org/tag/altsearchengines" rel="nofollow">http://thenextweb.org/tag/altsearchengines</a></p>

<p>Cheers</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T00:22:37Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2008-04-21</title>
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        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think they can make an impact on the search market, but only if they join together. That was Charles' main point. But I should also mention that many of the alts want to complement the big guns and not compete with them.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-21T23:23:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Alex B. on 2008-04-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Alex B.</name>
        <uri>http://badeziner.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is a good thing to hear, that there are some people who want to rival the search engine  giants, but... will this be possible? </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-21T23:05:46Z</published>
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