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    <published>2008-04-22T04:20:58Z</published>
    <updated>2008-04-22T06:43:55Z</updated>
    <title>BlogRovr Acquisition by BuzzLogic Calls Data Portability Into Question</title>
    <summary>The innovative OPML browser plug-in BlogRovr is announcing tonight that it has been acquired by PR monitoring and ad sales startup BuzzLogic. It&apos;s a victory for all the startups who face hostile questions about &quot;how are you going to monetize that?&quot; and answer by pointing to the potential for data mining. For BlogRovr users, who...</summary>
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      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/blogrovr_logo2.jpg" width="150px">The innovative OPML browser plug-in <a href="http://blogrovr.com">BlogRovr</a> is announcing tonight that it has been acquired by PR monitoring and ad sales startup <a href="http://buzzlogic.com">BuzzLogic</a>.  It's a victory for all the startups who face hostile questions about "how are you going to monetize that?" and answer by pointing to the potential for data mining.  For BlogRovr users, who piled up the feed subscription and traffic data that make up much of Blogrovr's value, it's a clarion call to engage with the hard questions about data portability and ownership.</p>

<p>BlogRovr lets you identify what blogs you read, then notifies you when any URL you visit has been linked to by one of those blogs.  That technology will remain free but will now be put to use for PR monitoring and advertising sales by BuzzLogic.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>Both of these are companies we've covered a lot here because they are very interesting.  BuzzLogic is interesting because they use sophisticated algorithms to determine blogger influence that are practically unfeasible for most users to replicate through free, public methods.  BlogRovr is interesting because, amongst other things, it is a fascinating way to leverage RSS and OPML data.   See for example our <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/buzzlogic_interview.php">interview with BuzzLogic co-founder Mitch Ratcliffe in 2006</a> and our <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/blogrovr_fetches_blog_content.php">initial review of BlogRovr in 2007</a>.</p>

<p>Before you sell my data, even in anonymized aggregate, to a PR and ad sales firm - should I be able to export my clickstream and the subsequent analysis?  Is that my data?  Is it BlogRovr's to sell without concern for my access to it?  This announcement brings up a number of interesting questions about Data Portability.</p>

<p><em>Below, a screenshot from BuzzLogic's dashboard.</em><br />
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<h2>If I Use Your Tool and You Use My Data - Who's Property is the End Product?</h2>

<p>Presumably Blogrovr is or is going to track user clickstreams (browsing history).  That, combined with the overlap with subscribed blogs, will be useful in determining blogger influence and a price point for rapid ad placement.</p>

<p>This certainly isn't the entirety of what BuzzLogic has acquired - BlogRovr execs are being given extensive responsibility over BuzzLogic technolgies as a whole.  The minds behind the browser plug-in may be as valuable as the data it churns out, but the data is important to discuss.</p>

<p>On one hand, the company used its proprietary technology to capture this data in a way that users are practically incapable of capturing themselves - at least the overlap with all subscribed blogs.  On the other hand, BlogRovr minus their 180k users isn't good for much of anything.</p>

<p>I asked Chris Saad, Chairman of the <a href="http://dataportability.org">Data Portability Working Group</a>, what his take on this question was.  "If the data was generated for or by your behavior then you co-created it," he said, "therefore u should have co-ownership of it at least."  What does that mean, practically?  As a thought exercise, should BlogRovr split its acquisition price somehow with it's users?  "No," Saad said, "BlogRovr gets to keep the money and the aggregate derived data - but the user should be able to export their own data as well, and perhaps even request their account to be deleted."</p>

<p>That sounds reasonable to me, but that's not what's being made available.  Users are allowed to export their OPML file of subscribed feeds - but all other data is unavailable.</p>

<h2>Is Clickstream Data a User's Own Responsibility?</h2>

<p>Pundit <a href="http://blogs.eweek.com/newsgang/">Steve Gillmor</a> has been arguing lately on the <a href="http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/">Gillmor Gang</a> (now hosted by TechCrunch - thanks Mike!) that data portability advocates are wrong to demand that services capturing their clickstream data turn that data over to users.  He, and if he's alone he's probably all the more right, argues that user clickstream data is a user's responsibility to capture if it's so darned important.  We don't need anyone to give it to us - we already have access to it.</p>

<p>While that may be technically true of browsing history, it is much less true of the subsequent analysis of history cross referenced with blog subscriptions.  In theory though, is that data more difficult to access for a typical user than the clickstream is?  Neither is particularly accessible without some technology, but if a company builds that technology do they then own its fruit?</p>

<p>Saad again says, "if BlogRovr is capturing it, then they should share it.  It's user generated content."  I'm not sure it's quite that simple, but it might be.</p>

<p>It seems to me that there aren't clear answers around any of this.  Some people and companies are engaging with these questions, but BlogRovr's Marc A. Meyer admits that his company simply hasn't been one of them.  That's a refreshingly honest answer, and better than I got from Meyer's new PR/ad network bosses - but so what?  The company was clearly blazing a trail in terms of using users' data - do they not have a responsibility to explore the other half of the equation - user access to that data?</p>

<h2>Maybe This Isn't About User Rights</h2>

<p>It's also possible that Data Portability is best advocated not from a position of right and wrong, of user rights, but instead as a matter of competitive advantage.  If BlogRovr had a viable competitor that differentiated itself by offering users access to their data throughout the process - perhaps that competitor could emerge victorious.  Would a PR/ad network have bought such a company, though, if it offered to hand over this valuable user data?  Would enough users have cared to make such differentiation meaningful as a competitive advantage?</p>

<p>There are no end of questions that still need answers in regards to data portability.  For now, BlogRovr and BuzzLogic deserve congratulations at least for recognizing the value of user data in the blogosphere.  How should the rest of us feel about the news, though?</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Dubai Shopping on 2011-02-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dubai Shopping</name>
        <uri>http://www.saverspoint.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>lets you identify what blogs you read, then notifies you when any URL you visit has been linked to by one of those blogs.</p>]]>
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    <published>2011-02-21T13:21:36Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6157-comment:53149</id>
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    <title>Comment from GraemeThickins on 2008-04-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>GraemeThickins</name>
        <uri>http://www.tech-surf-blog.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>No one's brought up what I believe is an ultimate promised benefit of this pairup: allowing individual bloggers to monetize their blogs with advertising. If that's the case, then you're giving up your data to get economic benefit back. So, then, the problem is...?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-26T11:19:46Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6157-comment:52802</id>
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    <title>Comment from Greg Balanko-Dickson on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Greg Balanko-Dickson</name>
        <uri>http://www.sbishere.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The fact that someone is creating mash up from my data and activity the least they can do is share it. </p>

<p>Is this a disclosure issue best dealt with within TOS?</p>

<p>If the data being anonymized that is one thing, who knows when someone comes along with a way to parse out the data and filter down to an individual level? </p>

<p>How about it Marc?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T18:49:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ben Clemens on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ben Clemens</name>
        <uri>http://www.practicalist.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I don't think the ownership of personal data can be left to the marketplace to sort out completely. Once my data is out there, I've lost control of it forever (Google cache, Facebook will cancel my account but not delete my data, etc. etc.). Even OpenSocial and Data Portability conventions require me to give away personal data without the option of getting it back. I posted an alternative approach on my blog (linked) which I can't link to here, but basically I think a new mechanism is needed, where individuals own their actual data and authorize apps to use it temporarily via an independent broker (similar to openid).</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T17:30:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Sasha Kovaliov on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sasha Kovaliov</name>
        <uri>http://my.opera.com/nlupus</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Another plug-in for Firefox? I just wonder what people like me on Opera can say... not much.</p>

<p>Can we actually talk about data portability if the app is not portable itself?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T16:51:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mark Lomb on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mark Lomb</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Data portability is great, just don´t expect to get it for free. Furthermore, if you do not know how you are going to monetize something, stay away from it. Just because one in a hundred thousand wannabes got it right, it does not mean that you will. Sorry for injecting a cruel dose of reality.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T16:46:58Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6157-comment:52794</id>
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    <title>Comment from Marc A. Meyer on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Marc A. Meyer</name>
        <uri>http://blog.blogrovr.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Marshall, for the insightful post on Activeweave's joining Buzzlogic.   Thanks also for your many suggestions in the past on how to improve our product.</p>

<p>As Jean mentions, Activeweave has had to focus on "what do we provide as value" to our users, to do one thing well, and what we spend all our cycles and space on is connecting bloggers and readers to each other everywhere relevant on the web, in a personalized, custom-tailored-to-each-reader way.   </p>

<p>As a by-product, user's clickstreams go by us (thought it is one click to turn this off, in keeping with our guiding principle of giving control to the user).   It's not very hard for us to use this constant anonymous and aggregated stream to get a picture of the connections people are seeing on the web as they browse.   It would be vastly harder for us to gather and keep statistics for an individual, and even harder to arrange to deliver it back to folks.   </p>

<p>Data portability efforts are fascinating.    The idea that one might be able to take one's clickstream and monetize it directly by selling it to advertisers or analyze it in order to get guidance for web browsing in general is incredibly powerful.  But, it is early days in this, and doing any of it well is a huge effort.   Two things startups need to heed are Bill Tai's dictum that "being early is a lot like being wrong", and avoiding "the death of a thousand cuts," where one tries to do too much and ends up doing nothing well.   So, the data portabilty challenge is one (along with a vast number of other wish list items we had that Activeweave would have loved to all tackle) we chose not to pioneer on.</p>

<p>Some great efforts out there are addressing the issue, and we're eager to see what comes of them.  I for one am inclined to want the ability to gather and track my clickstream to be built into my browser, where it never need leave my machine in the first place!  Mozilla, can we get an enhanced History command?</p>

<p>We're very excited to be teaming up with Buzzlogic, especially because in Jean and my new capacities leading technology and product for them, we'll be leveraging years of thinking about the same sorts of relationships with readers and bloggers, and building technology and products that address their need as we have at Activeweave.   </p>

<p>We love the blogsphere and the challenge of helping tame it in the service of the reader, and will continue this focus at Buzzlogic!</p>

<p>Marc Meyer, CEO Activeweave, and now SVP Products at Buzzlogic.<br />
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    <published>2008-04-22T15:58:27Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jon on 2008-04-22</title>
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        <name>Jon</name>
        <uri>http://gosdot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'm not worried about remaining anonymous, I'm more concerned with being advertised to intrusively.  BlogRovr was a great tool for finding related stories about the ones I was currently reading.  However, I already subscribe to well over 100 RSS feeds that are being sorted and ranked by various methods, including AideRSS.  I check sites like Digg, PopUrls, and more religiously.  I like the control and I don't mind ads that I can choose to ignore.  However, BlogRovr is intrusive by nature  and now that I know that it may be used to advertise to me I'm no longer intrested in using it.</p>

<p>Even if they only use my clickstream to sell ads directly to blogs for now, I feel that over time the temptation to subsidize the plug-in with placed ads will be too great for the new owners to resist.  Sorry BlogRovr but you just lost a user.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T15:09:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Siddharth on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Siddharth</name>
        <uri>http://www.techadmire.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It always does, when a new company aquire an old one the data and information present with the old company sure becomes responsibilty of the new one and the customers get doubted that how they will now use it?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T13:26:37Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from mido on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>mido</name>
        <uri>http://www.today-jobs.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>www.today-jobs.com  </p>

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    <published>2008-04-22T09:58:14Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6157-comment:52773</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jean Sini on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jean Sini</name>
        <uri>http://www.blogrovr.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Jason: no worries, you get to stay anonymous. Now, can you please get off these sites you've been reading all evening and get back to work? Just kidding. And I hope you aren't in the minority when you feel that picking a service is about choosing whoever best addresses your needs.</p>

<p>Marshall, thanks for this thoughtful and thought-provoking post. I definitely agree that there's a lot to explore in terms of data portability around attention. My personal take? I tend to side with Steve Gillmor on this one, for a couple of reasons. </p>

<p>First, we don't keep individual data around, even though storage's getting cheaper by the day. So far, I have found much more meaningful ways to fill up our drives. We have been busy delivering relevant posts into our users' browsers as they go, and figuring out that contextual relevance has put enough strain on our servers as it is.</p>

<p>Second, and less facetiously, I don't know that the raw data is necessarily of much value. There might be an opportunity for a service to do just that for its users, it'd be interesting to see how many care enough to sign up (doesn't Google's toolbar do that? It'd be interesting to get stats on how many users are going back to marvel at their clickstream). </p>

<p>What's cool in my view is what we can derive from processing it, and bring back to users. Examples that come to mind are reading suggestions: hey, you've been paying attention to this, you might like that. I clearly see lots of opportunity around that kind of effort. </p>

<p>Again, my personal take only, and an uncooked reaction to the great points you bring up here. To be continued.   </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T07:30:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from MyMesh.com on 2008-04-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>MyMesh.com</name>
        <uri>http://www.mymesh.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Could a reference be made to St. Augustine's reply to the "What is time?" question -- "Ask me not, and I know. Ask me, and I don't know." :-)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T07:25:23Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jason on 2008-04-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jason</name>
        <uri>http://www.CleverTools.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>As long as I stay anonymous, it doesn't bother me, personally, that they have my clickstream. I mean, they offered users a valuable service for free (as I read it). So, why not allow the company to make a little money? However, I hope that their terms of service cover this and I think it would be nice if they allowed users to export their clickstream. </p>

<p>I do not think I would choose one service over another because one tracks my clickstream and one does or because one gives me access to it. I would choose the service I think works best for my needs. I feel I may be in the minority on that one- am I? I will be curious to see the other responses as well.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-22T05:25:01Z</published>
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