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    <published>2008-04-30T09:49:49Z</published>
    <updated>2008-04-30T10:46:15Z</updated>
    <title>Nevermind The Recession, The Web Will Change The World!</title>
    <summary>Since the Web 2.0 Expo last week, two parallel questions are being asked about the current era of the Web: a) Are we about to enter into a recession, and if so does that mean an end to the current &apos;web 2.0&apos; era of innovation in web technology?; b) Why aren&apos;t we (meaning startups) tackling...</summary>
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      <name>Richard MacManus</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/readwriteculture_apr08.jpg" />Since the Web 2.0 Expo last week, two parallel questions are being asked about the current era of the Web:</p>

<p>a) Are we about to enter into a recession, and if so does that mean an end to the current 'web 2.0' era of innovation in web technology?;<br />
b) Why aren't we (meaning startups) tackling the "big, hard problems" with web technologies?</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>My conclusion is that while recession may be coming, this <em>won't</em> mean an end to web innovation - because we'll need plenty of that to take on the big, real world challenges.</p>

<p>The "big, hard problems" quote is taken from <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/tim_oreilly_keynote_web_20_expo_08.php">Tim O'Reilly's keynote speech at the Expo</a>. In it O'Reilly passionately urged us to "not follow the headlines" and the hot things, but go after "big, hard problems".</p>

<p>Sarah Perez followed up earlier today with a post entitled <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/wanted_5_startups_to_change_the_world.php">Wanted: 5 Startups To Change the World</a>, in which she commented on <a href="http://discussionleader.hbsp.com/haque/2008/04/an_open_challenge_to_silicon_v.html">Umair Haque's open challenge</a> to Silicon Valley: find a problem to fix that will change the world for the better and he will help you do it.</p>

<p>This is all very inspiring, and we at ReadWriteWeb have made a conscious effort over the years to focus on meaningful web technologies. OK, we blog about Twitter, Facebook, FriendFeed and other time-wasting, info-overloading consumer apps a lot. But we also blog about health 2.0, semantic web, non-profits, 'real world' apps such as financial web apps, and so on. We like to think we cover the whole spectrum.</p>

<p>But it seems like the big, hard apps may become more of a focus over the next year or two. If you've been following Bernard Lunn's long but insightful 3-part series on the new Web era, which culminated tonight with <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/dancing_with_gorillas_the_new_web_era.php">Dancing With Gorillas</a>, you'll have noted that Bernard's key point is that <b>making revenue will become more important</b>. Up till now, argues Bernard, the M&A market has mopped up a number of web 2.0 plays that had little revenue (think del.icio.us and last.fm). But in the new Web era, success will come from startups that provide a "spark of innovation that will solve problems for millions of people in the real world, helping people in Main Street to make a living." That's where the revenue will be.</p>

<p>To hammer home this point, let me quote something from Bernard's second post in his series, <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_emerging_main_street_web.php">The Emerging Main Street Web</a>. Channeling Clay Shirky, Bernard wrote:</p>

<blockquote><p>"The basic tools of Web 2.0, such as forums, blogs, Skype, SMS, RSS and social networking have now passed the early adopter phase and crossed into the mainstream. Ordinary people are using social media to change their world."</p></blockquote>

<p>I couldn't agree more - what's exciting about this new, coming, era of the Web is that we'll have the opportunity to use web 2.0 technologies to improve the daily lives of real people. And, as Tim O'Reilly urged, to solve some truly big problems such as the environment, health and changing government structure. </p>

<p>I think this new era of the Web will be very exciting. Innovation won't stop, because we've hardly started solving the <em>real</em> problems. But Bernard is right that integrating all the Web pieces from web 2.0 (including using open web standards) will be a key driver to this new innovation.</p>

<p>Image: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeblogs/305430788/">ReadWriteCulture-FangMix1</a> by MikeBlogs</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Siddharth on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Siddharth</name>
        <uri>http://www.techadmire.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard I think the time has come that we should say we are moving towards WEB 3.0. Blogs, sharing and social media is the web 2.0 but sites we are seeing today is sure something more than that. I think Web 3.0 era has come.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T11:40:22Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6207-comment:53479</id>
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    <title>Comment from Mike Keliher on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mike Keliher</name>
        <uri>http://www.unjournalism.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Loosely related: Did you see the Rolling Stone article about Google's Larry Brilliant?</p>

<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/43do7d" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/43do7d" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/43do7d</a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T11:47:13Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6207-comment:53488</id>
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    <title>Comment from Kyle James on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kyle James</name>
        <uri>http://doteduguru.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Overall great article with some exciting thoughts to take away, but I disagree that "Ordinary people are using social media to change their world."  Where is your proof?  Maybe 300 million people are on Social Networks, Skype has 300 million users,  maybe 100 million use RSS.  I don't know the exact numbers but the Skype was pulled from the data off wikipedia.  Here's my point.  </p>

<p>There are over SIX BILLION people in the world and even if 300 million are on Skype that's less than 5%!  I don't disagree that these things revolutionize the lives of people who use them, but to make that statement that ordinary people use them is a little bold.  In developed nations adoption rates are higher, maybe 50%, but that's still a huge population who don't.  There is still a long way to go here.</p>

<p>I'd love to see someone break down all the data to show worldwide adoption use of technology, everything from cell phone use, internet access, to social media if anyone has the time.  :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T14:05:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ajay on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ajay</name>
        <uri>http://readerszone.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Siddharth can u put some light on web 3.0 because i am not aware of the concept behind the web 3.0</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T14:23:13Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6207-comment:53493</id>
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    <title>Comment from paul merrill on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>paul merrill</name>
        <uri>http://mypartofcolorado.blogspot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>That is a <i>weird</i> illustration for this post.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T14:42:13Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Peter Cooper on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Peter Cooper</name>
        <uri>http://www.petercooper.co.uk/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's worth noting that the foundations for Web 2.0 were nearly all laid in the tech-industry recession of 2001-2003. Recessions free up people to work individually or in non-corporate groups to solve problems and develop technologies that scared companies are not interested in. When things pick up again, those technologies are then adapted and used by new companies to forge new industry sectors.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T15:00:46Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6207-comment:53497</id>
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    <title>Comment from Connnector on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Connnector</name>
        <uri>http://www.jivelo.com/index.php</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>These are grandiose goals, save the planet, feed the poor, balance your bank account from space, etc, etc. No doubt people will use web innovation and new technologies to solve complex problems but let me remind you that users want to be entertained. That's why the current plethora of consumer apps are here because they help us forget about the real problems of the world and have a laugh at the same time. Sure, save the African three-legged spider - but I want to be entertained. </p>

<p> </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T15:18:34Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6207-comment:53505</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jeremy on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jeremy</name>
        <uri>http://loosewireblog.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>At what point did SMS, pray, become Web 2.0? This is extending the definition to absurdity. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T16:28:27Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6207-comment:53523</id>
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    <title>Comment from hit kazan on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>hit kazan</name>
        <uri>http://www.hitsihirbazi.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>thanks</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T20:09:40Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6207-comment:53524</id>
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    <title>Comment from izmir evden eve on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>izmir evden eve</name>
        <uri>http://www.izmirevdeneve.gen.tr</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>thanks you</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T20:10:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jacl on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>jacl</name>
        <uri>http://www.downtown-los-angeles-jacl.org</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing about this.  This is still rather new for me since a friend explained to me earlier this month about what blogs were, etc.  I am definitely not one of the early adapters.</p>

<p>Yesterday, I saw "Shift Happens" v.4 on YouTube yesterday (www.youtube.com/user/durangowrangler)with statistics about the globalization of the economy, the impact of the Internet and the swift changes in technology and grew a bit concerned about how we (and those still in school) will be able to meet the challenges.  I was rather taken aback when I saw the part that we need to train children for the type of jobs that haven't even been created yet.</p>

<p>I guess I will go and find out about Bernard Lunn's 3 part series that you mentioned.  It is a bit overwhelming...</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T20:53:26Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jason Rothbart on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jason Rothbart</name>
        <uri>http://www.groupswim.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is a great topic to discuss. Far too many of the "Web 2.0" solutions that get so much press don't really solve problems; they are fun and distracting. At Groupswim, we focus on solving a very large problem, collaborating effectively across multiple groups of people, systems, and organizations. While we use a Web 2.0 user interface and semantic technology, it is the with the express purpose of helping our business customers. I'm hopeful this kind of solution will thrive in a tough economic environment. There are plenty of great things to learn from non-Enterprise Web 2.0 companies. The trick is to combine them in such a way to solve problems, not just to have fun or kill time.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T22:42:51Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Richard MacManus on 2008-04-30</title>
    <author>
        <name>Richard MacManus</name>
        <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Paul #5, yes I struggled to find an appropriate illustration. So in the end I just went for a 'readwrite' one :-)</p>

<p>Connnector #7, great point. But we could also add music, TV, gaming among the things that still have a ways to go with web technnology. Last.fm for example is an excellent service, but I can't wait for the day when mainstreamm radio is usurped by tools like last.fm (not to say that DJs aren't still important, but they could do so much more with the Web).</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-04-30T22:56:00Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6207-comment:53562</id>
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    <title>Comment from Platypus on 2008-05-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Platypus</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>If you want to save the world then join the Peace Corps, because you're not going to do it while sitting on your ass at the keyboard.</p>

<p>It takes hands-on effort to effect change. That means getting out among the people, even in your own community. Be a better neighbor, a better driver, a better citizen. It means doing things selfish people don't want to do.</p>

<p>It means getting your hands dirty, and dealing face-to-face with all those "icky" people you try to avoid when you're walking down the street with your ears plugged into your iWhatevers.</p>

<p>It means stepping outside the Web bubble and understanding that relatively few people in the world care about and use the Web, while those who do "just want to be entertained."</p>

<p>Bloggers are the online equivalent of "ladies who lunch"--a bunch of rich people chattering amongst themselves about how they're going to spend their afternoons.</p>

<p>Don't pretend you're going to make a difference building toy Web apps. People do this hoping to gain both money AND glory, and the ultimate arrogance of saying "Look at me--I got rich AND saved the world." It isn't noble--instead it's doubly selfish.</p>

<p>Say "good morning," smile and hold the door open for someone today, because that will change more lives than some Web app. The Golden Rule goes a long way.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-05-01T13:11:00Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from mike seyfang on 2008-05-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>mike seyfang</name>
        <uri>http://mikeseyfang.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Paul #5, Richard #13 - turns out that the image used is mine - and much more appropriate than you could ever know!<br />
The image is part of a rather recursive little remix experiment that is embedded in a little video that I have used to get myself a rather interesting 'Web2.0 style' job with significant impact on both research and teaching and learning in higher education (which speaks to the heart of this post).</p>

<p><a href="http://mseyfang.edublogs.org/2008/05/07/why-i-license-ccby/" rel="nofollow">http://mseyfang.edublogs.org/2008/05/07/why-i-license-ccby/</a></p>

<p>contains a few words of explanation and an assumption I would like to test.</p>

<p>Keep up the good work Richard - been a fan since I heard you on gday world.</p>

<p>Fang - Mike Seyfang.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-05-07T12:12:50Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Tony on 2008-05-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Tony</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Richard -</p>

<p>I just stumbled across this post by David Apgar - <br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/3mfwww" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3mfwww</a></p>

<p>Where he starts to explore micro-enterprises and network aggregation leading to an overall boost in economic output for a given third world country.</p>

<p>We may be looking in the wrong spots for Web2 to change the world.  It probably won't happen in Silicon Valley, or even in the developed world. Watch for Web2 to make an impact here.  David is on to something.</p>

<p>-Tony</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-05-09T15:04:43Z</published>
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