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    <published>2008-05-28T12:54:30Z</published>
    <updated>2008-05-29T09:52:38Z</updated>
    <title>Recommendation and RSS: A Look at Two Readers Filtering the Noise</title>
    <summary>Two RSS Readers That Filter the Noise</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Sarah Perez</name>
      <uri>http://www.sarahintampa.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/feed_icon_large_apr07.png">With all the discussions about <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/user_interfaces_information_overload.php">information</a> <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/friendfeed_information_overload.php">overload</a> and <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/why_filtering_is_the_next_step.php">the need for filtering</a>, it looks like we're going to finally start getting some relief. This month, two companies made announcements about updates to their RSS readers which will now provide their users with built-in filtering technologies. Those two companies are <a href="http://www.illumio.com">illumio</a> and <a href="http://www.newsgator.com/Individuals/NewsGatorOnline/Default.aspx">Newsgator Online</a>. However, each company has taken a different approach in doing so. Which one will succeed?</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>About illumio</h2>

<p>An RSS reader like <a href="http://www.illumio.com">illumio</a> could have a real shot at marketshare among the digerati if not for a few issues. The app, more of a competitor to the <a href="http://www.newsgator.com/Individuals/FeedDemon/Default.aspx">Newsgator</a> desktop reader product line than to online readers, provides automatic filtering of your news feeds. Unlike technologies like <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/aiderss_funding.php">AideRSS</a>, which filters by popularity, illumio personalizes your feed reading experience by determining what's important to you and then displaying those top articles in a newspaper layout.</p>

<p>Illumio is not new, but its latest incarnation - illumio version 3.0 - was only released a couple of weeks ago. With this version, the app, although downloadable software, now launches within a web browser window. The UI has also been completely redesigned so articles are easier to read and navigation is simplified. </p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/illumio.png"><i>illumio</i></p>

<p>However, what's really interesting about illumio is not the fact that you can read your RSS in a newspaper layout - it's the built-in filtering technologies the software employs to do so. In order to determine your interests, illumio scans the files on your computer to discover your interests and expertise. Not to worry, though - this information is never shared with others, nor does it ever leave your PC, according to the company. The privacy-conscious set might find that a little bit disconcerting, but you have to admit - that's certainly a unique approach to uncovering someone's interests in order to personalize their news.</p>

<h2>Using illumio</h2>

<p>When configuring the software for the first time, you must initially specify some default interests, but after completing the configuration you can remove any unwanted feeds and upload your own OPML file.<em> (It's too bad you can't just start with an OPML upload, though.)</em></p>

<p>Once you're up-and-running, your feeds are displayed in a newspaper layout that features a tag cloud of topics on the right and your feed groups on the left. You can rate articles with star ratings to further train illumio as to what you like.</p>

<p>There's also a tab at the top of the newspaper called &quot;Questions,&quot; because, if it wasn't enough that illumio was a filtered RSS reader of sorts, it's also trying to be a Q&amp;A service, too. Here you can ask questions and respond to those posed by others in the community. While that might be useful in a business environment where team members review feeds together and then discuss as a group, it's hard to see exactly how this would really benefit a typical user.</p>

<h2>Recommendation Alone Doesn't Ensure Success</h2>

<p>Unfortunately for illumio, their great strides in improving recommendation technologies are going to be overlooked by the community they wish to engage for two major reasons: 1) it's downloadable software, 2) it's Windows only.</p>

<p>While they <em>are</em> working on a Mac version (<em>sign up </em><a href="https://www.illumio.com/web/ActionFeedback.do?Topic=5"><em>here</em></a><em> to be notified of its release)</em>, the fact that illumio is a software download is going to be a huge turn-off for many users. Those at illumio maintain that the reason for it being a download is due to privacy concerns - since it scours your hard drive to assist with its recommendation and filtering services, you wouldn't necessarily want that private data stored online. That being said, most users are looking for filtering and recommendation to occur <em>within</em> their web apps, so illumio doesn't have a chance at converting anyone beyond the already small niche of desktop reader fans.</p>

<h2>Instead, Try Newsgator Online</h2>

<p>By partnering with a company called <a href="http://www.sensearray.com/">SenseArray</a>, NewsGator Online <a href="http://www.newsgator.com/CompanyInfo/Press/Archive.aspx?post=155">is now offering</a> RSS feed recommendations to its users. These recommendations come from the data NewsGator had been collecting <a href="http://www.newsgator.com/CompanyInfo/FreeClientFAQ.aspx">en masse</a> from their users as well as from an individual's actions - like a thumbs up or thumbs down - that were performed in their desktop reader <em>(either <a href="http://www.download.com/FeedDemon/3000-9227_4-10842839.html">FeedDemon</a> for Windows and <a href="http://www.download.com/NetNewsWire/3000-2157_4-10833346.html">NetNewsWire</a> for the Mac). </em></p>

<p>This latest news comes on the heels of <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/aiderss_updates_filtering_adds_twitter.php">last month's announcement</a> about Newsgator's incorporation of our favorite filtering service, <a href="http://aiderss.com">AideRSS</a>. While both of these technologies are currently only available in Newsgator's online reader, there are plans to make them available in the desktop readers as well.</p>

<p>Additionally, according to a blog post on <a href="http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2008/05/22/newsgator-collaborative-filtering/">Venture Chronicles</a>, the company has also been working with <a href="http://www.mspoke.com">mSpoke</a> to provide a categorization capability to their products that will soon offer Wikipedia-style indexing of content.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/newsgator_filtering.jpg"><i>Newsgator Online, image courtesy of <a href="http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2008/05/22/newsgator-collaborative-filtering/">Jeff Nolan</a></i></p>

<h2>Who Will Win?</h2>

<p>With illumio's commitment to being a downloadable product only, Newsgator has the advantage, but even it still faces opposition from <a href="http://weblogs.hitwise.com/us-heather-hopkins/2008/05/google_reader_slowly_closing_o.html">the still popular</a> online reader provided by <a href="http://www.bloglines.com/">Bloglines </a> as well as the increasingly-popular <a href="http://www.google.com/reader/view/#directory-welcome-page">Google Reader</a>. </p>

<p>Although users are demanding products that provide filtering, it's yet to be seen whether or not they will ditch their currently preferred online readers just to have access to these tools. If anything, Google Reader is one of the worst when it comes to filtering - in fact, its social feature that lets friends share stories means that you are likely to read the same story over and over again. Yet, it is growing in popularity despite its lack of filtering. <em>(That is, unless you just read your friends' shares, which could be see as a type of human fitltering for your RSS.)</em></p>

<p>However, it is nice to see some forward movement in the recommendation and filtering space, even if it's not available in all readers yet. The fact that it's out there will mean other web apps and desktop readers will need to start offering similar technologies in order to stay competitive.</p>
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    <title>Comment from Janet Johnson on 2008-05-28</title>
    <author>
        <name>Janet Johnson</name>
        <uri>http://janetleejohnson.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hey Sarah, I've never used either Newsgator nor illumio, as <a href="http://www.attensa.com/get-it" rel="nofollow">Attensa</a> is a client of mine, and shares the whole filtering/prioritizing capabilities... </p>

<p>Do either of them have the social sharing capabilities to comment on blog posts from within the application? Or to publish a feed to my own blog or collaborative enterprise environment? Attensa's reader has saved me a ton of time with those two capabilities alone, yet rarely do I see mentions of that kind of productivity enhancement being touted.</p>

<p>It's great to see there continues to be innovation in the RSS space - it bodes well for the future of media consumption and RSS adoption when familiar paradigms (like the newspaper) are brought into the digital realm.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-05-28T14:12:00Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Karim on 2008-05-28</title>
    <author>
        <name>Karim</name>
        <uri>http://feedego.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://feedego.com" rel="nofollow">http://feedego.com</a> anyone?</p>

<p>It uses APML and supports its import/export, <br />
it's a humble app written for appengine. that analyzes <br />
the content depending on a profile you build (using keywords and feelings about these keywords) and voilà it ranks articles and highlight what you might like or hate.</p>

<p>Give it a try :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-05-28T14:34:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mark Krynsky on 2008-05-28</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mark Krynsky</name>
        <uri>http://lifestreamblog.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Good story Sarah.</p>

<p>You state:<br />
"it's yet to be seen whether or not they will ditch their currently preferred online readers just to have access to these tools."</p>

<p>That is the biggest hurdle and I don't want to move off of Google Reader because I'm very happy with it. So I think services need to concentrate on providing tools within the popular services people are already using.</p>

<p>I recently got in on the private beta of aideRSS Firefox extension for Google Reader and am very happy being able to leverage their filtering features within Greader. You can find it here: <a href="http://gr.aiderss.com/" rel="nofollow">http://gr.aiderss.com/</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-05-28T17:20:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from David Gilmour on 2008-05-28</title>
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        <name>David Gilmour</name>
        <uri>http://www.illumio.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great review about illumio.  On your key point, however, we have important information: there WILL indeed be a web-only version of illumio that you can use with no download whatsoever - and it will be available in a few weeks.  We're using it here, and it looks great, but it's not quite ready for release yet.</p>

<p>The web-only version will still match you on articles and questions, of course.  When the plug-in is present, illumio  detects your interests automatically.  When the plug-in is not present (i.e. in the web-only situation) your interests build up from feedback you give illumio on what you read.  Of course, you can always enter interests manually in both versions.</p>

<p>Thanks for letting us post this important note -</p>

<p>David Gilmour, CEO, Tacit<br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-05-28T17:58:25Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jeffnolan.myopenid.com on 2008-05-28</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thorough review, this is important functionality for us because it shines a light on what we feel confident are the defining characteristics of next generation RSS. </p>

<p>I do want to echo something that David just wrote. Illumio has many of the same qualities that our collaborative filtering has, but their "ask a question" features and the ability to crawl vast amounts of desktop content are very complimentary to what we are doing. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-05-29T01:01:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Carsten Ullrich on 2008-05-28</title>
    <author>
        <name>Carsten Ullrich</name>
        <uri>http://bloggingullrich.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Offline/online is one point, but more relevant for me is whether the recommendations are any good. Do you have any data on that?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-05-29T06:00:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Pito Salas on 2008-05-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Pito Salas</name>
        <uri>http://www.salas.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.blogbridge.com/products-services/blogbridge/visual-tour/built-in-meme-tracker/" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogbridge.com/products-services/blogbridge/visual-tour/built-in-meme-tracker/</a> is a similar capability that might be worth a look.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-05-30T00:01:27Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Yogesh Amberkar on 2008-06-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Yogesh Amberkar</name>
        <uri>http://yogia.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Also, there are many Desktop RSS feed readers and selecting 1 according to your needs is a big task. This leads to the comparison of these feed readers. </p>

<p>I found a detailed comparison, including Pros & Cons, of some of the best Desktop/Online RSS feed readers here - <a href="http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=971861" rel="nofollow">Comparison of Best Desktop RSS Feed Readers</a><br />
&<br />
<a></a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-06-02T09:35:57Z</published>
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