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    <published>2008-06-04T20:02:45Z</published>
    <updated>2008-06-05T00:03:50Z</updated>
    <title>Before YouTube Annotations: Nico Nico Douga and the Simulation of Real Time</title>
    <summary>YouTube announced today that users will now be able to put text annotations over particular points in any video. It&apos;s a neat idea, but not a new one. Any number of other services have allowed flash overlays to be set up on top of videos. The best example in the world, though, is Nico Nico...</summary>
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      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img alt="nicologo.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/nicologo.jpg" width="150" height="35" >YouTube announced today that users will now be able to <a href="http://youtube.com/t/annotations_about">put text annotations over particular points in any video</a>.  It's a neat idea, but not a new one.  Any number of other services have allowed flash overlays to be set up on top of videos.  The best example in the world, though, is <a href="http://www.nicovideo.jp">Nico Nico Douga</a> from Japan.  </p>

<p>If YouTube  users want to see the high-end of the fun spectrum in video annotation, they should check out Nico Nico Douga.    </p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>YouTube itself has no doubt seen the site, as the Japanese company originally just put overlays on top of embedded YouTube videos - until it got so popular that YouTube shut down their access.  The reason why Nico Nico Douga is so popular is something worth looking at if you're trying to create excitement on the web yourself.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, you can't use the site without registering and registering is hard if you don't know Japanese.  Thanks to Google Translate we were able to register and this is what we saw.</p>

<h2>How Nico Nico Douga Works</h2>

<p>After a mandatory account registration, Nico Nico Douga users can watch any of countless videos on the site and participate in conversations literally on top of them.  A simple chat bar lets you shoot a message out onto the video at the moment you press post.  The text zips across the video player and is gone, but is surrounded by messages that other users have sent at the same point in time. </p>

<p>The chat on top of the video is asynchronous, but a sidebar also displays the most absolutely new messages no matter where they are in the video.  The end result is a fast paced conversation, sometimes with people watching a video at the same time as you but always in such a manner that it feels that way.</p>

<p>Nico Nico Douga makes about $1 million each month from premium subscriptions costing 500 Yen (about $5 USD).  Premium subscribers pay to have their messages stay on the video after others expire and to be able to post in more colors, sizes and fonts.</p>

<p>You can't embed Nico Nico Douga videos offsite, but here's a screencap of one below.</p>

<center><img alt="nicoscreen.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/nicoscreen.jpg" width="600" height="295" ></center>

<h2>Simulated Real Time</h2>

<p>We've written here lately about the growing importance of real time communication and access to information online.  The chorus of people calling on <a href="http://friendfeed.com">FriendFeed</a> to add XMPP functionality for immediate updates is getting louder, as well.  </p>

<p>We would argue though, that for any vendor online there is a real opportunity in simulated real time.  In the case of Nico Nico Douga, the conversations feel like they are real time because of the way the user experience is architected.  In fact, in some ways they are better than real time because only so many people are watching the same video at any given time.</p>

<p>Compare this to the way that <a href="http://viddler.com">Viddler</a> from the US lets people add comments to videos.  That's not nearly as exciting because they are not an integral part of the user experience.  They are not intrusive either, but Nico comments can be turned off with a click.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.kyte.tv">Kyte</a> used to put chat over the top of videos (it appears they don't any more) but those conversations weren't tied to particular  moments in a video.</p>

<h2>The Future of YouTube Annotation?</h2>

<p>Perhaps the point is that Nico Nico Douga plays with temporal elements in a particularly appealing way.  It may not always be real-time, but perhaps that's not literally what we as users want in all cases.  </p>

<p>Will YouTube Annotations allow for temporal play?  At least on the part of the video publisher they seem to do so.  The next logical step would be to allow viewers to join in the fun as well.  Nico Nico Douga isn't standing still either though, <a href="http://www.akibanana.com/?q=node/851">most recently launching</a> a feature that lets users create their own cartoon newscasts with sophisticated editing and annotation.</p>

<p>If the future of sites like Nico Nico Douga is of interest to you, check out what Mr. Ryou Shimizu, developer of the site, is doing now with his new company <a href="http://uei.co.jp/">Ubiquitous Entertainment Inc.</a> (Google <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fuei.co.jp%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=ja&tl=en">translation into English</a>).</p>

<center><em>A demonstration of YouTube annotations, from David Rodriguez of <a href="http://stuffwelike.com">StuffWeLike.com</a></a></em></center>

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    <title>Comment from * Miss Universe on 2008-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>* Miss Universe</name>
        <uri>http://www.voy.com/216244/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Omnisio began offering optional comments on edited Youtube video compilations several months ago</p>

<p><br />
<a href="http://omnisio.com/beauty/miss-universe-winners-being-announced--crowned" rel="nofollow">http://omnisio.com/beauty/miss-universe-winners-being-announced--crowned</a></p>

<p>Unfortunately, like Digg, one suspects that most of the YouTube comments won't reflect the highest caliber of intellectual prowess or analysis  ;-)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-06-04T20:49:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from David Rodriguez on 2008-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>David Rodriguez</name>
        <uri>http://www.stuffwelike.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Here’s a good how-to video on youtube annotations <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXtwUrKwK3g" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXtwUrKwK3g</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-06-04T22:40:04Z</published>
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  <entry>
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    <title>Comment from akky on 2008-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>akky</name>
        <uri>http://asiajin.com/blog/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Niconico Douga allows their video with comments embedded on some other blogging services so you can see how it works without Japanese registration, like this,</p>

<p><a href="http://akky.vox.com/library/post/macho-man-with-niconico-comments.html" rel="nofollow">http://akky.vox.com/library/post/macho-man-with-niconico-comments.html</a></p>

<p>Also, there is a vexed issue around who made Niconico Douga. Mr. Ryo SHIMIZU tells he invented it at everywhere, others especially people working for Niwango (which owns and is managing Niconico Douga) do not support that view.<br />
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    <published>2008-06-04T23:58:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from syhprum on 2008-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>syhprum</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Actually there are a lot of video groups that are doing "interactive video." YouTube is just dipping their toes in the water. Check out www.veeple.com. They allow you to not only annotate your videos but also add interactive images from your computer, make any object in your video linkable to any outside website and you can move your spot, move your link or annotation around the screen in real-time, link to a MySpace or Facebook page, let others annotate your video, and on and on, pretty cool!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-06-05T01:01:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from preetam mukherjee on 2008-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>preetam mukherjee</name>
        <uri>http://www.marcellus.tv</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>There's a little history behind media annotation. </p>

<p>Check out some of Marc Davis' work- <a href="http://weareindia.blogspot.com/2008/06/youtube-announces-video-annotations.html" rel="nofollow">more here</a>  </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-06-05T01:17:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Sandeep Arora on 2008-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sandeep Arora</name>
        <uri>http://www.onlinevideopunch.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>That is great. </p>

<p>I used Mojiti last year (it has closed down) which enabled Video annotation on Youtube videos. I wrote about it as well.<br />
<a href="http://www.onlinevideopunch.com/blog/index.php/mojiticom-enables-online-video-collaboration.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.onlinevideopunch.com/blog/index.php/mojiticom-enables-online-video-collaboration.htm</a></p>

<p>Video Collaboration is great. We collaborated on a Video shoot where the editor was in China.</p>

<p><br />
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    <published>2008-06-05T02:29:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Melissa Jansen on 2008-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Melissa Jansen</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The annotation space is picking up speed. As a developer, I couldn't live without <a href="http://protonotes.com/" rel="nofollow">protonotes</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-06-05T02:58:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Nigel on 2008-06-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Nigel</name>
        <uri>http://blogs.adobe.com/collabmethods</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
 I'd put a quick experiment together as a Cocomo (Real-Time Collaboration hosted platform/service for Flash) demo a couple weeks back : </p>

<p><a href="http://blogs.adobe.com/collabmethods/2008/05/_another_cocomo_experiment_the.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.adobe.com/collabmethods/2008/05/_another_cocomo_experiment_the.html</a></p>

<p> Same basic feature set, done in real time. Needs some love, but I'm too darned busy with ConnectNow (www.acrobat.com). </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-06-05T06:25:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from nagaimichiko on 2008-06-05</title>
    <author>
        <name>nagaimichiko</name>
        <uri>http://japan.cnet.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>You can find more about Nico Nico Douga in this blog;<br />
Metagold: A Research Blog about Nico Nico Douga <br />
<a href="http://d.hatena.ne.jp/metagold/" rel="nofollow">http://d.hatena.ne.jp/metagold/</a></p>

<p>It is written in English by an English researcher of metadata in University of London. I enjoyed interviews with a lot of Nico-chuus, meaning "Nico Nico junkies".</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-06-05T08:59:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jane on 2008-06-06</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jane</name>
        <uri>http://www.akibanana.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Marshall, </p>

<p>here are detailed instructions on how to sign up and watch Niconico douga: <a href="http://textfiend.net/zerohero/?p=477" rel="nofollow">http://textfiend.net/zerohero/?p=477</a></p>

<p>In Japan, we call it "nicodou" in short. Actually, many popular nicodou videos get leaked into youtube; I think such cross-overs will be common in future. Something that Youtube doesn't have which Nicodou has is a certain group of users called the "net musicians".  They use special softwares or "Vocaloids" which is a kind of synthesizer to create their own original song and video. Recently an album was produced by such net musicians, you can find out more here: <a href="http://www.akibanana.com/?q=node/814" rel="nofollow">http://www.akibanana.com/?q=node/814</a></p>

<p>Remember during the tour I mentioned that there are 3Cs in Otaku marketing? Creativity, Collection and Community. So it's not surprising that there is a thriving OTAKU community in nicodou ^^</p>

<p>jane</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-06-06T14:37:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Paul on 2008-06-25</title>
    <author>
        <name>Paul</name>
        <uri>http://youtube.com/runawaybox</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is a great example of using annotations... and hysterical! Check it out, guys.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqujFiwL5cs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqujFiwL5cs</a></p>

<p>-Paul</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-06-25T18:57:30Z</published>
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