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    <published>2008-07-29T02:57:27Z</published>
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    <title>The Google Knol Threat to Content Businesses - a Wiki Plug-in Might Level The Playing Field</title>
    <summary>Does Knol (our review) make Google into a &#8220;content company&#8221;? Mahalo founder Jason Calacanis makes a compelling case. You can say he is conflicted, because his Mahalo venture has a lot to lose if Knol succeeds. Or you can say that he knows of what he speaks, because he is in the eye of the...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/googlelogo6.jpg" />Does Knol (<a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/knol_google_takes_on_wikipedia.php">our review</a>) make Google into a &#8220;content company&#8221;? Mahalo founder Jason Calacanis <a href="http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/7/is-google-a-content-company-of-course-it-is-so-what-should-publishers-do-">makes a compelling case</a>. You can say he is conflicted, because his Mahalo venture has a lot to lose if Knol succeeds. Or you can say that he knows of what he speaks, because he is in the eye of the storm. Jason&#8217;s view that Google is the closest we have to an operating system for the web makes sense. His comparison to how Microsoft, an earlier generation operating system vendor, invaded the application market that had belonged to their partners, rings true. This is what dominant tech companies have always done.</p>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Google has to be careful with this. Their dominance of search and the number of companies that rely upon search engine traffic makes Google vulnerable to antitrust action. This is akin to Microsoft using Windows to take over application markets they deem critical.</p>

<p>Antitrust is a lumbering beast and ineffective in fast moving technology markets. Historically, by the time it lumbers into action, the cycle is starting to move against the incumbent anyway. That happened with both IBM and Microsoft.</p>

<p>I have already written about the <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/manifesto_to_avoid_a_google_monoculture.php">danger of a Google monoculture</a>; and was flamed by people who thought I was being alarmist. Slowly-boiled frogs seldom get alarmed until it is too late. The launch of Knol has turned up the heat enough to alarm some more people.</p>

<p>Specifically, the issue with Knol is: <strong>how much Google tunes their search algorithm to favor Knol content vs alternative content on the same subject?</strong> This is where Google could be crossing the line. This is not so far from Microsoft bundling Explorer in order to beat Netscape.</p>

<h2>Mahalo and Squidoo - Roadkill?</h2>

<p>The companies that are most at threat are those like Mahalo and Squidoo, i.e. semi-automated aggregation plays. These appealed to VCs because they are more scalable than pure-play content. This market appeals to Google for the same reason. Mahalo, Squidoo and others are in the way and the steamroller is coming. They had better be really agile to get out of the way. They look like roadkill to me.</p>

<p>Google may make more money for individual content creators than they can make from Mahalo, Squidoo or alternatives. So Google will get the popular vote and that may be enough to forestall antitrust action.</p>

<p>However, even individual content creators may want to think twice. With Google providing both the content platform and the revenue, it feels a little bit like a medieval landowner who can change the rules on the peasants when it appeals to them. Of course Google would never be so evil as to exercise their &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_de_seigneur">droit du seigneur</a>&#8220;, but why put them in a position where they might be tempted?</p>

<h2>The Google Threat to Content Creators</h2>

<p>Anybody who employs content creators is certainly sensible to wonder when Google will re-define content in such a way that their business is threatened.</p>
<p>Content creators - whether the individuals or their employers - increasingly rely on either WordPress or MT. Google&#8217;s Blogger is a distant third. Both have powerful plugin architectures. There is good open source Wiki code out there. What does it take to create a Knol-like &#8220;persistent community content&#8221; plugin for WordPress and MT? That looks pretty simple technically. Maybe its already out there, riding below the hype radar. It would fit the author-moderated model of a blogger or Blog network. It adds persistent content (read &#8220;more page views&#8221;). It gets away from reliance on feeding the reverse chronological mill.</p>

<p>Then use <a href="http://www.openx.org/">OpenX</a> rather than Google <a href="https://www.google.com/admanager/login/en_US/index.html">Ad Manager</a>. And <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/piwik_google_analytics_alternative.php">Piwik rather than Google Analytics</a>. Bingo, it&#8217;s declaration of independence for content creators and their employers.</p>

<p<>What do you think - would that be enough to ward off the threat to Mahalo, bloggers and anyone else in the content business?</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Yihong Ding on 2008-07-28</title>
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        <name>Yihong Ding</name>
        <uri>http://yihongs-research.blogspot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bernard,</p>

<p>Google might be a thread to civilization one day, but Knol will not be a negative phenomenon to content business. By contrast, Knol is a model of <a href="http://yihongs-research.blogspot.com/2008/07/revolution-behind-google-knol.html" rel="nofollow">revolution</a> for content business. By coupling with AdSense, Knol tells us a thing---it might be a good idea to pay for human's knowledge or mind instead of asking them contributing for free. Human mind as asset, it might be an important direction for the future evolution of World Wide Web.</p>

<p>Yihong</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T04:13:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Rob on 2008-07-28</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rob</name>
        <uri>http://www.bestwebimage.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Knol...secretly run by Nudar, the alien nudist scammer from the movie Bender's Big Score.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T06:40:18Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6892-comment:61944</id>
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    <title>Comment from Venkatakrishna Nalamothu on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Venkatakrishna Nalamothu</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Very good article on Knol. Knol will succeed mainly due to its aggressive payment system and better search indexing. Google will definitely give more preference to Knol. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T08:17:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Matt on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Matt</name>
        <uri>http://matthanson.net</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://expressionengine.com/" rel="nofollow">ExpressionEngine</a> already has a moderated wiki module integrated in its CMS/blogging tools. It would only take a minor plug-in to get authors to moderate pages they create.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T08:50:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Craig McGinty on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Craig McGinty</name>
        <uri>http://www.craigmcginty.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see if Knol content consistently appears higher in search results and if people put 2+2 together.</p>

<p>This is an interesting take on how content sites could tackle Knol, written from a news website perspective:<br />
<a href="http://www.lucasgrindley.com/2008/07/newspapers_should_have_launched_googles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lucasgrindley.com/2008/07/newspapers_should_have_launched_googles.html</a></p>

<p>The fallout from Knol also highlights the importance of not just relying on search for readers - although that is easier said than done!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T08:57:18Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Oigen on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Oigen</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have no words to say, it's rock indeed</p>

<p><a href="http://www.bangbull.com/details/23800-BE4/Amazing_natural_girl" rel="nofollow">http://www.bangbull.com/details/23800-BE4/Amazing_natural_girl</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T08:57:25Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Oigen on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Oigen</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have no words to say, it's rock indeed</p>

<p><a href="http://www.bangbull.com/details/23800-BE4/Amazing_natural_girl" rel="nofollow">http://www.bangbull.com/details/23800-BE4/Amazing_natural_girl</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T09:14:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Svetlana Gladkova on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Svetlana Gladkova</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/profy</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think you have missed one role for Google with Knol - it not only offers a platform and pays for content, it also offers the distribution channel that over years has proved to work incredibly well for other content providers. What I don't understand is why many people don't see pure business logic behind Knol for Google - it has finally realized it sends way too much traffic elsewhere and decided it should keep it to itself (and make money off it).</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T10:40:47Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6892-comment:61971</id>
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    <title>Comment from Bernard Lunn on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Bernard Lunn</name>
        <uri>http://bernardlunn.wordpress.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Dear Ed, I think Akismet missed poster # 6 and 7.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T11:39:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from donv69 on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>donv69</name>
        <uri>http://orbis-writings.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>One thing I have become accustomed to with Google is having it return to me results that I know will exit in the top websites.</p>

<p>For example, if I search for a movie, I know that IMDB will be the top result.  In other cases I know Wikipedia will be the top result.  Or amazon, etc, etc.</p>

<p>My worry is that they may start replacing Wikipedia with Knol, it which case, I will most likely be forced to by-pass Google and go straight to Wikipedia.  </p>

<p>They are ingraining themselves so well in our Internet culture that for people who rely on Google to give them the answer they know they want could either cause Google a lot of grief or destroy any one of the top sites that get their default traffic from Google.</p>

<p>Google will eventually be classified as an essential service in which case they will need to be controlled by some Internet body.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T14:23:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jeremy on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jeremy</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>"This is where Google could be crossing the line. This is not so far from Microsoft bundling Explorer in order to beat Netscape." - I don't agree with this argument at all.</p>

<p>Microsoft's bundling of Internet Explorer isn't anti-competitive at all. Microsoft simply leveraged their market share to expand their market into internet browsers. Look at where we are now. Microsoft is still bundling their browser with all new computers shipped with Windows software, but Mozilla's Firefox is quickly gaining ground. Calling this anti-competitive is simply a misnomer.</p>

<p>As for Google, while I agree, that I wouldn't like to see them put more weight on their own knol pages than wikipedia's, that's their prerogative to do so. If consumers feel they aren't getting good results from Google, they'll search elsewhere. Look at Yahoo...once the King of search, they haven't innovated or given consumers what they really want and have therefore been replaced. The market place, and ultimately consumer demand, will drive innovation and work things out. Plus, it's impossible to have a monopoly that isn't government-mandated (think of your local cable/utility/phone companies)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T15:49:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Felicia Sullivan on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Felicia Sullivan</name>
        <uri>http://www.feliciasullivan.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bernard,</p>

<p>A friend sent me this link, which pretty much supports your post. It might be of interest:<br />
<a href="http://www.thinkseer.com/blog/google-knol-is-behaviorally-targeting-ranking-well/2008/07/24" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkseer.com/blog/google-knol-is-behaviorally-targeting-ranking-well/2008/07/24</a></p>

<p>Cheers, Felicia</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T17:02:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jason on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jason</name>
        <uri>http://www.calacanis.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>As I mention in my email newsletter (http://www.tinyurl.com/jasonslist ), right now Google is going to take 10-40% of each search results with Knol, YouTube, Google AP News stories, and perhaps a blogger.com story. </p>

<p>For Mahalo to become a huge business we need to have a % of our pages (say 20%) rank in the top 20-30 results.  So, unless Google takes over the first page of their search results I'm sure we will be fine.</p>

<p>However, it is--as I pointed out in my article--very disturbing to content partners that Google has become a publisher. Many AdSense partners are concerned about this development, but you won't here too many voice it (no one wants to risk their Google relationship). This is, of course, not a big deal... Google wants to discuss these issues and Google is committed to not doing evil.</p>

<p>What would be good is for one of  the 15,000 or so Google employees to actual talk to their thousands of partners and tell us what to think of Knol. Are they going to give Knol the #1 slot on average? #5? are they going to have three Knol's in the top 20? Should we put our content on Knol and stop publishing on our own sites? Should we post to our site and knol? Do Knol pages get a higher % of AdSense revenue than us putting AdSense on our pages on our site?</p>

<p>Without any communication from anyone at Google this effort seems very, very strange and heavy handed. </p>

<p>best, jason</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T17:22:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Bernard Lunn on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Bernard Lunn</name>
        <uri>http://bernardlunn.wordpress.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Jason, I agree, Google should comment on Knol as it relates to content companies publicly. An old fashioned social media way of doing that would be to comment on this post. Yes that would be good for RWW and they may feel too grand for that. So a post on their corporate Blog would be cool as well. Lets hope they do that. Google has been an amazing force for good, but too much power does odd things to those that wield that power. This could/should be a defining moment for Google. Bernard </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-29T18:07:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ad Manager on 2008-07-29</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ad Manager</name>
        <uri>http://www.adspeed.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I tried Knol and find it not very easy to use and as an author, I don't know or instantly see the benefits. I don't see how it can compete with Wikipedia. Wikipedia only needs a better editing flow.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-30T04:29:09Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Benjamin DiGregorio on 2008-07-31</title>
    <author>
        <name>Benjamin DiGregorio</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I cannot remember a single time when Google has updated their algorithm to favor less relevant content over more relevant content. Anyone care to wager why they have roughly 70 search market share in the US? </p>

<p>I wonder what would happen if people noticed that useless Knols were ranked higher than relevant content?</p>

<p>It seems to me that if Google is ranking good useful Knols higher than Wikipedia pages, it is because they are good at returning useful results. They have no incentive to rank garbage highly, and we won't see them doing so. What's the big deal?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-31T19:42:24Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Charlie on 2008-07-31</title>
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        <name>Charlie</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Google should really make knol a standard and let anyone host them.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-01T01:47:59Z</published>
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