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    <published>2008-07-03T16:53:57Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-03T17:12:48Z</updated>
    <title>Viacom Gets YouTube User Data</title>
    <summary>In the ongoing copyright litigation between Google and Viacom, a judge on the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York has ordered Google (PDF) to hand over data on every YouTube user, including username, the associated IP address, and a list of all the the videos that user ever watched. In...</summary>
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      <name>Frederic Lardinois</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[<p><img alt="youtube150.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/youtube150.jpg"  />In the <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/sumner_redstone_youtube_wont_pay_the_rent.php">ongoing copyright litigation</a> between Google and Viacom, a judge on the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York has <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/files/viacom_youtube.PDF">ordered Google</a> (PDF) to hand over data on every YouTube user, including username, the associated IP address, and a list of all the the videos that user ever watched. </p>

<p>In this lawsuit, Viacom is seeking more than $1 billion in damages because of alleged copyright violations on YouTube.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>Besides this user data, Viacom also sought access to Google's source code for its web and video search, as well as for its <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/on_copyright_youtube_punts.php">'Video ID' program</a>. The judge, however, denied access to the code, because, "considered against its value and secrecy, plaintiffs have not made a sufficient showing of need for its disclosure." It's interesting that Google's trade secrets are worth protecting while the privacy of users is not.</p>

<p>The Electronic Frontier Foundation argues that <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/07/court-ruling-will-expose-viewing-habits-youtube-us">this ruling is in violation of the Video Privacy Protection Act</a> of 1988 (VPAA), which forbids the disclosure of personally identifiable rental data without a consumer's consent. The EFF argues that because some users on YouTube used the full names as login names, the VPAA applies to YouTube.</p>

<p>Mark Cuban also has an <a href="http://www.blogmaverick.com/2008/07/03/ruh-roh-porn-could-sink-youtube-in-viacom-case/">interesting take</a> on this story. He argues that the data Google now has to release might show that Google actively removes pornographic content from YouTube, which would then lead Google to lose its DMCA protection. </p>

<p>For a lot of users, the question is going to be what Viacom will do with all this data . Are they planning to sue individual users as well as Google? To substantiate its claims against Google, Viacom doesn't really need to be able to identify individual users.</p>

<p><em>Update</em>: For now, it seems that Viacom is <a hreaf="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-9983631-93.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5">restricted to using the data</a> solely to prove its copyright claims.</p>]]>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6698-comment:59426</id>
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    <title>Comment from Utopiah on 2008-07-03</title>
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        <name>Utopiah</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Obviously users are data and data are potential profits, I hardly see how "rights" would be taken into account here...</p>

<p>Anyway, after this little spike of cynicism my question is :<br />
How can a company actually prove that you as a person are the legit owner of this or that account ? Based on the nickname, hardly ? IP, what if it is shared ? text analysis, does it have any value ?<br />
Really strange to me that you can prove from data this person is this account without violating privacy.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-03T17:46:43Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6698-comment:59430</id>
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    <title>Comment from xavier vespa on 2008-07-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>xavier vespa</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/xavierv</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>So Google can be forced to release private user data? I don't care if Viacom knows what videos I watch, but I care that Google can be forced to give away more private info about my activities on the Web.</p>

<p>(love the friendfeed integration in the comments btw)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-03T17:58:52Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6698-comment:59433</id>
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    <title>Comment from Chacha on 2008-07-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Chacha</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/chacha102</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think this is a ridiculous privacy invasion, and that Viacom is stupid for asking for YouTube's source code. How would that help them prove.. anything?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-03T18:11:59Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6698-comment:59432</id>
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    <title>Comment from Dossy Shiobara on 2008-07-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dossy Shiobara</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/dossy</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Damn, so they're gonna know who watched the 2girls1cup video.  LOLz</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-03T18:28:02Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6698-comment:59434</id>
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    <title>Comment from Fred on 2008-07-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Fred</name>
        <uri>http://infowars.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Yes and movies like this one too: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Laz3eni6Iq4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Laz3eni6Iq4</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-03T18:38:05Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6698-comment:59439</id>
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    <title>Comment from Todd on 2008-07-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Todd</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Oh shit, I am in big trouble!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-03T19:22:06Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6698-comment:59445</id>
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    <title>Comment from Blog Marketing Journal on 2008-07-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Blog Marketing Journal</name>
        <uri>http://blogmarketingjournal.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is insanity.  Nothing is safe online -- that's for sure.    They seem to say they're going to sue those who watch copyrighted content.  That is utterly ridiculous.  </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-03T21:28:38Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6698-comment:59497</id>
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    <title>Comment from Gareth Murran on 2008-07-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Gareth Murran</name>
        <uri>http://www.garethmurran.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Nothing is safe online and people should be smart about that. If Viacom can get the source code and prove active filtering then Google has no leg to stand on. They clearly used the DMCA as a weapon of defense and now it’s going to bite them.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-04T07:51:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6698-comment:59521</id>
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    <title>Comment from 上海租车 on 2008-07-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>上海租车</name>
        <uri>http://www.zuche.biz</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Viacom doesn't really need to be able to identify individual users</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-04T15:57:52Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6698-comment:60086</id>
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    <title>Comment from Joe on 2008-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Joe</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>They could still find out who was watching hilary,obama, or ron paul videos, they could still find out who believes the 911 was an inside job, and they could still use that data secretly for the bush family.  </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-07-09T19:58:49Z</published>
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