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    <title>Will The Semantic Web Have a Gender?</title>
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      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img alt="semweblogo.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/semweblogo.jpg" width="150" height="145" ><strong>One academic warns that it might and says we need to pay attention to it.</strong></p>

<p>As machines learn to understand what the web means, what perspective will they understand it from?  Who is teaching them?  "Objective" descriptions of the world and the relationships in it can cause real problems, particularly for people with little power in those relationships.  How will the emerging Semantic Web understand relationships and what will that mean for us as human users?</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p><font style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><script type="text/javascript">digg_url = 'http://digg.com/tech_news/Will_The_Semantic_Web_Have_a_Gender';digg_bgcolor = '#ffffff';digg_skin = 'normal';</script><script src="http://digg.com/tools/diggthis.js" type="text/javascript"></script></font>Austrian researcher Corinna Bath argues that there is a real risk that the semantic web of the future will be built with the perspectives and assumptions of male computer scientists baked-in unconsciously - at the expense of everyone else.</p>

<h2>Background</h2>

<p><img alt="cp_3452_tmpphpk8e1l4.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/cp_3452_tmpphpk8e1l4.jpg" width="200" height="200" align="left" hspace="5px" vspace="5px">Corinna Bath is currently research fellow at the "Institute for Advanced Studies on Science, Technology and Society" in Graz, Austria.  She's now working on engaging the several decades old study of gender and technology with the emerging world of the semantic web.</p>

<p>What is the semantic web?  We define it as a paradigm that makes the meaning of particular web pages understandable by machines - not just in full text searches or keyword categories, but in terms of which concepts are central to a given page and the relationships between them.  </p>

<p>The semantic web is hot.  World Wide Web founding father and W3C Director <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/tbl_calls_for_semweb.php">Tim Berners-Lee says</a> all the pieces are now in place for a semantic web to emerge.<br />
  <br />
So is it a boy or a girl?</p>

<h2>When You Assume, You Make an...</h2>

<p>Corinna Bath did an interview last week for the Austrian <a href="http://www.semantic-web.at/1.36.resource.250.x22-all-animals-are-equal-x22-gender-research-a-fruitful-inspiration-for-building-semantic.htm">Semantic Web Company</a> where she articulates her concerns about gender and the semantic web.  Unfortunately, the interview is extremely academic in language and tone - so we'll try to explain her arguments here.</p>

<p>Her first argument is that the architects of the semantic web need to be very careful about the assumptions they carry into the creation of categories of relationships.  Bath draws a historical parallel with the first phone books, where listings were organized by the names of the husband in each household.  That appeared to the authors to be the logical way to do it at the time.  It wasn't until after years of feminist political organizing led to general cultural change that the phone books changed.  Why is this important?  Because systems like the phone book help color our view of the world we live in and are the building blocks of basic inequalities.</p>

<p>Too often, Bath argues, "binary assumptions about women and men are not reflected [upon] or the (gender) politics of [a particular] domain is ignored. Thus, the existing structural-symbolic gender order is inscribed into computational artifacts and will be reproduced by [their] use."</p>

<p><em>Right: The Semantic Web made me grow this beard.  Semantic web t-shirt <a href="http://semweb.spreadshirt.com/">via SpreadShirt.</a></em></p>

<p><img alt="semwebscream.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/semwebscream.jpg" width="250" height="413" align="right" hspace="5px" vspace="5px">For example, the <a href="http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Dublin_Core">Dublin Core</a> ontology concerns Documents.  It consists of a list of elements that can be used to describe a document, including "creator," "contributor," and "isReferencedBy."  Are there types of relationships that aren't included on the list but are important to an accurate understanding of a document?  There probably are, and different perspectives could help articulate what those relationships might be.  </p>

<p>For example, some feminist critics argue that the Western cannon of almost every type of literature is full of work that men didn't give women appropriate credit for.  Some argue that Albert Einstein's wife deserves substantial credit for his theory of relativity - should that be included in semantic markup wherever the book is cataloged?  How should that relationship be described?  Calling her a contributor would be controversial and wouldn't really capture the history - a new category may be needed.</p>

<p>There are no shortage of ways to describe documents, events, people or concepts.  The roster of people who will participate in the creation of a standard way to describe them will become increasingly important as machine learning becomes more important in our every day lives.  Failing to take this seriously, Bath argues, could lead to the silencing of "minority views, quieter voices, and allows the dominant voice to speak for everyone, which seems highly problematic."</p>

<h2>Is Categorization Itself The Right Solution?</h2>

<p>The semantic web today is based largely on what are called "triples" - sets of subject, predicate and object.  For example Marshall Kirkpatrick [subject], loves [predicate] Punkin' the Tabby Kitten [object].  (Hypothetical, I don't have any kittens and please don't send me any.)</p>

<p>This way of describing things isn't beyond question, however.  As Bath argues:<br />
<blockquote>Even the modeling concepts themselves should be questioned as Cecile Crutzen suggest, since e.g. the class concept and the inheritance concept lack to represent social processes, because of limited formal expressiveness for conflict, change and fluidity. Such an ontology abstracts from human sociality, situated action and real meaning construction processes.<br />
</blockquote></p>

<p><strong>In other words</strong> life aint so simple: people change, conflicts and context matter and things in this world don't just get their meaning by one object bumping into another, one event leading to another, child inheriting traits from a parent, etc.  </p>

<p>Computer logic may necessitate simplification of some of life's richness - but this is nothing to take lightly.  We're talking about helping computers understand meaning and that is not a simple or trivial matter.</p>

<p><em>Is Knowledge Only The Absence of Doubt?</em></p>

<p>Bath calls into question "computer science modeling that rests on the Cartesian epistemology," or the belief that way we know that we really "know" something is by having no doubt about it.</p>

<p>If our semantic markup reading robot finds markup asserting that a certain relationship exists and does not find any markup asserting that it does not exist - ought we conclude that we've determined the truth of the matter?  Particularly if not all perspectives on the matter have been taken into consideration in even formulating how the situation is described, then an assertion that a particular object has a certain property or two subjects have a particular relationship may be woefully inaccurate in describing reality.  There are a lot of things people disagree about and there's a lot of knowledge that people deny for political convenience.  The absence of doubt is not sufficient basis for determination of truth.  Repeated attempts to disprove a theory make a much better basis for working knowledge.   </p>

<p>Or, as political blogger Karoli Kuns <a href="http://twitter.com/Karoli/statuses/879493152">said</a> to NPR's Andy Carvin this morning when Carvin asserted otherwise, "I'd argue that tag dissent balances folksonomies, not undermines."</p>

<p>Let's talk about "working knowledge" and stop whispering about "truth", before the robot children hear us.</p>

<h2>Philosophy Aside, What Does This Mean?</h2>

<p>It means that as the language we use to communicate meaning to machines develops, we'd better watch out who is building it and what perspectives they take into consideration.  Unconsidered assumptions could lead to a real disconnect between the meaning that machines know of the world and they way that millions of other people experience it.</p>

<p>Bath isn't suggesting that the semantic web should be rejected, quite the opposite in fact.  "I am convinced," she says, "that the perspectives I tried to sketch here can contribute to build better semantic systems or even prevent them from failure in function or on the marketplace."</p>

<p>She has her own explanation why this is important: "With the use of the Internet we are already witnessing a radical change in practices of how knowledge is represented, stored and spread. In the future most of our work and life will involve the manipulation and use of information. It will crucially depend on the epistemologies, concepts and leading metaphors of the Semantic Web, which direction the semantic "human-machine reconfigurations" (Lucy Suchman) will take."</p>

<p>That's a nice way to say that we need to work hard to avoid creating fascist robots that exercise a homogenizing influence on diverse human experiences.  There are people who are doing semantic web work in directions that take this into account, but it's something worth considering for all of us.</p>

<p><em>Disclosure: The author has consulting relationships with a number of pre-launched semantic web companies.</em></p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Adam Lindemann on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Marshall. This is an amazing and very important post. Here`s my take. If the semantic web is created purely on the W3C vision as a set of standard objective ontologies like the taxonomy of the library of congress with the goal of machine intelligence - then I agree that it could take on a gender biased personality. </p>

<p>However, I don`t think the semantic web will end up being created like that. I think ultimately the semantic web that does develop will have the goal of augmenting human intelligence as much as or more than machines. What this means is that your semantic web will be different than mine - reflecting your interests and perspective. In this vision, where the semantic web functions as your personal agent - objective meaning will take on more of the subjective perspective of the user and hence just like in real world society the semantic web will retain both male and female perspectives of the world. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T02:15:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from tinu on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Quite interesting, some valid points. But after all of this, one question nags at me, Marshall.</p>

<p>Who is "Punkin' the Tabby Kitten"? Or are you saying that there's a specific tabby kitten you're fond of punking?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T02:20:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall Kirkpatrick on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Adam, I will be interested to see if things go that way.</p>

<p>Tinu... thanks for stopping by. :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T02:23:55Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Briana Franco on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <name>Briana Franco</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I really like this post. </p>

<p>My thoughts: does "god" have a gender? i don't think the semantic web will have one either...after...all. (shrug)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T02:41:27Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Aldo Bucchi on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have a picture of it. It looks like a girl... I think</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.aldobucchi.com/2008/08/meet-global-mind-girl-or-boy-hmmm.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.aldobucchi.com/2008/08/meet-global-mind-girl-or-boy-hmmm.html</a></p>

<p>But it likes to be called "Global Mind".</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T02:48:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Adam Lindemann on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Marshall. This is an amazing and very important post. Here`s my take. If the semantic web is created purely on the W3C vision as a set of standard objective ontologies like the taxonomy of the library of congress with the goal of machine intelligence - then I agree that it could take on a gender biased personality.</p>

<p>However, I don`t think the semantic web will end up being created like that. I think ultimately the semantic web that does develop will have the goal of augmenting human intelligence as much as or more than machines. What this means is that your semantic web will be different than mine - reflecting your interests and perspective. In this vision, where the semantic web functions as your personal agent - objective meaning will take on more of the subjective perspective of the user and hence just like in real world society the semantic web will retain both male and female perspectives of the world.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T02:54:07Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jack Carlson on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It may be starting with gender but it won't end there.  Just like the real world politically-correct movement, social networks and the semantic web will be challenged to acknowledge ever smaller groups of people.  Code will have to reflect an awareness of gender equality, gay rights, be neutral in regards to religious and political influence and respect every form of government under which someone accesses the web.</p>

<p>I'm a gay atheist and a geek.  Yet there are contexts in which even I don't think it's sensible to pander to every type of human that uses the internet.  If I want to narrow my online experience to just being amongst the like-minded, I can find sites where everyone's like me.  When it comes to the standards, protocols and code, gender and sexual orientation mean nothing to me.  Is there queer code?  </p>

<p>At the same time it doesn't matter to me a great deal what the outcome of this issue will be, because I learned long ago to ignore distractions when enjoying something.  When a young gay boy reads romantic novels, the gender assigned by the author gets ignored.  Chances are good I'm going to ignore whichever gender my geeky brothers and sisters assign to the semantic web and make up my own anyway.</p>

<p>This PC attitude (trying to be all inclusive) can be taken too far sometimes.  </p>

<p>The semantic web is a medium.  Do radar and television have genders?  Is the freeway a boy or girl?  In some languages like German they do.  Not so much in English.  English uses a neutral "the" to indicate no gender; it suggests nothing at all about the topic.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T03:36:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mary Trigiani on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <name>Mary Trigiani</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Marshall, another thought provoking post.  It makes me wonder how taxonomy systems developed over time.  Folks might want to check THE TAXONOMY FOLKSONOMY COOKBOOK by Daniela Barbosa.  It addresses enterprise metadata, but there is perspective there on the differences between the two.</p>

<p>Also, you've made me want to run this one by my mother, who, as a librarian at University of Notre Dame in the 1950s, was a catalog specialist.  As I've gotten more exposed to semantic web questions in the past year in my work, I've asked her a lot of questions about how things were labeled in the decades prior to automation and computer science.  I wonder how she was trained, if at all, to address bias.  And whether today's library scientists are tackling this as well.  Would like to know more about that.  Thanks -- Mary</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Cecily Walker on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is why librarianship - a traditionally gendered profession (female) -  is so important to the creation and continued development of the Semantic Web. After all, it is librarians who continue to challenge the racist/sexist/xenophobic classifications that still exist in the Dewey Decimal System (and, to a lesser degree, the Library of Congress Classification System).</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Michael W. May on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's Pat!</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from xolotl.org on 2008-08-06</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Great post Marshall!</p>

<p>Hearkens me back to even deeper feminist thinking about representation itself as a gendered practice...making meaning has largely been a "male" endeavor, and yet, meaning has never been completely contained nor controlled by the masculine.</p>

<p>As the commenter above alludes to in his intentional (mis)reading of novels, making meaning can flow outside the machines that attempt to produce meaning in certain ways, for certain ends.</p>

<p>The semantic web will offer new opportunities to produce meanings to control/define and to subvert meanings to elude/stretch/warp/redefine.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Miiko Mentz on 2008-08-07</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Marshall. Thanks for shedding light on this because I never really thought about it in terms of the development of the Semantic Web. This is an important issue and the work of Corinna Bath matters to ensure these discussions take place as the Semantic Web develops. The example of the phone book is a great example of gender bias as is the examples provided by Cecily Walker.</p>

<p>And I thought feminism was dead! Glad to see that it is alive and well.</p>

<p>I also think that Adam makes a good point and it will be very interesting to see how it evolves.</p>

<p>Once again, excellent post!</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall Kirkpatrick on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/marshallk</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@mediachick's fantastic StumbleUpon summary of this post: mediaChick71 - "So is it a boy or a girl?" As the best brains in the tech industry take us from html markups to a semantic web, one woman is making the rounds to remind them that gender assumptions have no place in domain knowledge. Corinna Bath is an academic researcher from Austria who brings up some critical issues about out-dated relationship definitions that may inadvertently make their way into tagging modalities. This is a very interesting look into the future of the web 3.0 and the influence of the society that builds it.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-08-07T08:01:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63081</id>
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    <title>Comment from gregory lent on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>gregory lent</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/gregorylent</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>gender is codified in many languages, and the semantic web will be based on machine-readable elements whose final product will be in language.</p>

<p>female ideas and male ideas can come from any gender.  this article doesn't go deep enough.  is that because it was written be a man?</p>

<p>hard to escape gender in this world, even for those who don't see it as very important.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-08-07T09:05:28Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63082</id>
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    <title>Comment from Fabrice Epelboin on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Fabrice Epelboin</name>
        <uri>http://boinblog.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://boinblog.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>This is a major post, we definitely need more female geeks to make tomorow a more fair - if better - world.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-08-07T09:21:53Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63084</id>
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    <title>Comment from Amit Aviv on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Amit Aviv</name>
        <uri>http://kaalga.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://kaalga.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I think that the biases of the semantic web will have more to do with the biases of the web content than the biases of the programmers.<br />
Programmers will never hard-code semantics in their software, rather they will employ statistical machine learning methods to extract the semantics from content, where their own biases or not that important.<br />
On the same lines of the article you could argue that search results should be more accurate for man because Larry & Sergey are men..<br />
The real danger is that the semantic web will have the mindset of a teenager or an average college student :)<br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T09:37:12Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63088</id>
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    <title>Comment from Aldo Bucchi on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Aldo Bucchi</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/aldonline</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/aldonline">
        <![CDATA[<p>On a more serious side... </p>

<p>www.Cosmopolitan.com was most probably built by men, on software coded by men. Possibly fat, bald, geek men.</p>

<p>Could you tell?</p>

<p>I think this is a very good post only because it is thought provoking and brings a fresh perspective on the table, but the question itself is quite pointless.</p>

<p>C'mon. Genre is determined by genes and is relevant to sexuality. I don't see the semantic web or any electronic device for the matter mating anytime soon.</p>

<p>And any perspective introduced by developers will be buried deep below layers of content and social interaction.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-08-07T10:34:30Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63089</id>
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    <title>Comment from Scott Brinker on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Scott Brinker</name>
        <uri>http://www.chiefmartec.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.chiefmartec.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Fascinating article.</p>

<p>This really gets to the heart of some issues I've been wrestling with on the concept of semantic marketing:</p>

<p>1. The categories and characteristics that get associated with something in metadata are not a "given" -- they can be highly subjective and error-prone. Just because something is presented as true doesn't make it true. We learned this in the visible web and on The Colbert Report, but we may need to relearn it in the semantic web.</p>

<p>2. In a categorization-centric worldview, the definition of categories -- and the categories and models that become dominant, such as the Dublin Core -- wield tremendous power in shaping semantic conversations and positioning.</p>

<p>I call the challenge of wrestling with these things "semantic branding". In the web of knowledge, companies/people/concepts will have a brand that will very much be colored by how they are modeled and represented.</p>

<p>According to Bath, the semantic web already has a strong "male" brand. She may be right. But the subtlety she calls out in her argument is exactly the challenge of semantic branding that is going to be a recurring issue across many, many domains.</p>

<p>Making the assumption that this can just happen automatically misses the point that associations and characteristics are rarely absolute and are loaded with value judgements.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T10:47:11Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63091</id>
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    <title>Comment from Noam Barzilay on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Noam Barzilay</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This was a thought provoking post. Very interesting.<br />
At this point though, it is nothing more than an exercise in theoretical thinking, in my opinion.</p>

<p>Sure, if the semantic web ever truly becomes a reality, it will be interesting to see what it'll look and act like. It could, as you've mentioned, turn into a separate "thinking" entity that serves out results that match it's own logic. In that case it'll be important to question its logic. However, as already mentioned in previous comments, it is also possible that the "semantic web" will take on an entirely different form. What if it acts as our own online extension (to each user his/ her own extension)? That would lead to there being multiple semantic genders - men, women, straight, gay, etc. One could then question the logic used in the way the semantic engines understand us and our behavior.</p>

<p>Most likely though, I think the "semantic web" will take on many different forms and will never reach its final form. What this means is that like all things, it'll be a work in progress and will evolve. We will, I think, start seeing different products that introduce their own take on semntic engines. We, the users, will then define which we like best and what to take from each. The semntic form will adjust itself to our own interests. I don't see a standard being accepted that easily.</p>

<p>No matter what, it'll be interesting.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T11:34:37Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63092</id>
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    <title>Comment from andymurd on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>andymurd</name>
        <uri>http://www.mmmeeja.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.mmmeeja.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Like many other commenters, I think that the semantic web will need to evolve personalised ontologies but the article highlights a number of important questions. </p>

<p>I have an inherent bias, and that bias will be reflected in my personal ontology. That's fine for subjective isssues (searching for interesting books or cool new music) but less so for factual queries. </p>

<p>If the query "how many elected politicians are qualified lawyers?" has conflicting answers, should the answer returned to me favour sources which suit my bias?</p>

<p>Sorry that this comment hasn't addressed the gender issue directly, but I see that as just another bias. If the people feeding data to the semantic web were all Americans, we could expect a US bias in general but I might favour sources from Europe.<br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T11:35:03Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63093</id>
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    <title>Comment from Christine Egger on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Christine Egger</name>
        <uri>http://www.SocialActions.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.SocialActions.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Great post. This is the first discussion I've seen in a long time about the limitations that the Cartesian epistemology places on our **ability to understand** in the context of web development. It's a critical shortcoming, I think, that's highlighted by but not exclusive to the challenges of semantics. </p>

<p>It's encouraging to see this post and the conversation within the comments. Kudos to Kirkpatrick and Bath.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T12:10:36Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63097</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jason Kolb on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jason Kolb</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Is this for real?  How about, instead of bitching, you pitch in and help out?  Funnel some of that energy and passion into something constructive, you might actually achieve what you're trying to do along the way.  As if the Semantic Web hasn't languished long enough, this type of unhelpful criticism is only going to delay it longer.  Good lord.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T12:42:57Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63106</id>
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    <title>Comment from ART on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>ART</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>that is the bloke from Flight of the Concords.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-08-07T13:36:14Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63108</id>
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    <title>Comment from Bill Roberts on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Bill Roberts</name>
        <uri>http://www.swirrl.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.swirrl.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>The question of gender issues of the semantic web seems to me to be completely missing the point.  The semantic web will not be a single 'thing' - it's a bunch of technologies that lets people represent information in machine processable ways.  All kinds of different information, for different purposes in different contexts.  </p>

<p>The people that design that information may well want to take gender or other sociological issues into account, depending on their purpose.  But to talk about whether the semantic web has a gender doesn't make a lot of sense. You could equally ask the same question of books in general. But of course it depends what you put in the book.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T14:02:26Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63112</id>
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    <title>Comment from Mark Hurst on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mark Hurst</name>
        <uri>http://mpagah.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://mpagah.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I think what we're talking about is the difference between top-down and bottom-up ontologies. In the former, strong categories are assigned and then data is forced to fit, in the latter the categories emerge from the data. I prefer bottum-up emergent categories, since they are able to evolve with the data and reflect real meaning rather than whatever an expert may decide is important. As Amit mentioned above, programmers use statistical clustering of data (whether from crowd sourcing or text-mining algorithms) to create their categories.<br />
 <br />
The real issue is one of context. Any concept has a number of relationships to other concepts, which define a number of different contexts. The amount of overlap between these contexts determines whether something becomes a category or not. This is totally data-dependent. Of course, if you point your semantic analyser at exclusively male-written technology blogs then you know what category bias to expect...<br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T14:11:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63116</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rutger Blom on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rutger Blom</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/rutgerblom</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/rutgerblom">
        <![CDATA[<p>What is the semantic web?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-08-07T14:21:27Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63113</id>
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    <title>Comment from Derek on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Derek</name>
        <uri>http://www.gavey.ca</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.gavey.ca">
        <![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else find it amusing that the researchers picture was mildly androgynous.</p>

<p>I have to agree though when we start interpreting information men and women can derive very different meanings from the same text.  Any married man can confess to that.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T14:29:30Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63125</id>
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    <title>Comment from DeepText on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>DeepText</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Wow - what a discussion.  It's not really about gender, it's whether the logic is Aristotelian or not.  This was discussed extensively above.  It's inevitable that many academics and many implementers will live in the true/false world.  We know that that's not sufficient, and it won't be sufficient on the Semantic Web.  It's just harder to be fuzzy.  Do you use measures of "percent reliable?"  That's a baby step, but maybe in the wrong direction.  If you've used the "semantic search" engines, you'll see that we don't have much to worry about yet.<br />
Oz<br />
PS: Try AE van Vogt's book "The World of Null-A"<br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T15:24:28Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63128</id>
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    <title>Comment from Danielle Knopf on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Danielle Knopf</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/danielleknopf</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/danielleknopf">
        <![CDATA[<p>@rutger: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_web" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_web</a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-08-07T16:41:02Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63134</id>
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    <title>Comment from Laura Norvig on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Laura Norvig</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/lauran</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/lauran">
        <![CDATA[<p>Perhaps somewhat analogous to the whole Dewy bias thing - <a href="http://www.hyperorg.com/backissues/joho-sep03-04.html#dewey" rel="nofollow">http://www.hyperorg.com/backissues/joho-sep03-04.html#dewey</a> . Anytime you try to map knowledge you are going to be limited by a point of view, n'est pas?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-08-07T17:30:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63135</id>
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    <title>Comment from cease on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>cease</name>
        <uri>http://www.palwithme.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.palwithme.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Gender shouldn't be the concern, age should be.  When internet users are younger and more apparent on the internet , there content will rule the web.  Internet meme and txt shortcuts.. are what we will be teaching these computers.  Kids these days, don't know the world without the web, and these are the people that will be teaching the computers.  lolz .. rofl... and rick rolled. </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-08-07T18:11:50Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63156</id>
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    <title>Comment from Cecily Walker on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Cecily Walker</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/skeskali</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Aldo you have a point, but many websites - especially large ones that are built by agencies - have teams of user experience experts who work alongside developers. It's the UX and Information Architects who build out site navigation, and most (not all) UX/IA folks test taxonomies before committing final versions to the website. If you test with your intended audience, the taxonomies map to their brains better than if you didn't test and used your own perspective.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-08-07T20:21:51Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63157</id>
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    <title>Comment from Cecily Walker on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Cecily Walker</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/skeskali</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, women are well represented in the Human Computer Interaction/IA/UX discipline. In fact, many computer science students call HCI "CS for Girls" because HCI programs don't usually include many of the "hard" CS courses (programming, application development) and focus more on psychology, cognitive behavior, and interaction design.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T20:28:27Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63167</id>
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    <title>Comment from Aldo Bucchi on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Aldo Bucchi</name>
        <uri>http://aldobucchi.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think the point here is more general than Gender.</p>

<p>It is about the <b>simplification of reality</b> and <b>who chooses what is relevant and what is not</b>. Because, sooner or later, we will end up living in the simplified version.</p>

<p>This is a common problem in the field of Knowledge Representation and Reasoning.<br />
My 2 cents WRT the Semantic Web:</p>

<p>In time, we will be able to add more and more data to the mix ( first structured data, then the web of text, then video and audio, etc ). integration, learning and inference processes will run on these massive amounts of data, and eventually we will be able to reason about a reality that is not so simplified. At least not by a group of individuals.</p>

<p>In fact, it might be almost as complex as the reality we can perceive.</p>

<p>So relax. I think we can't, and we shouldn't, control it at this point.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-07T23:39:30Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63172</id>
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    <title>Comment from Earle Martin on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Earle Martin</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/hex</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What a load of blather. Male geeks aren't very good at thinking like non-male non-geeks - this is not news. But declaring dramatically in this way that "the Semantic Web may end up being gender biased" is making a storm in a teacup. The phone book "example" is clearly not relevant to today's situation. By the way, regarding the phrase "Some argue that..." sorry, but over on Wikipedia we call those weasel words.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-08T00:44:19Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63173</id>
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    <title>Comment from Earle Martin on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Earle Martin</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/hex</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Also, from the linked interview: "Alison Adam analyzed the well-known ontology CYC... She revealed that the knowing subject implicitly assumed by the system is a white, middle-class male professional." Oh really. Check out this excerpt of a review of where she said it: <a href="http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/technology_and_culture/v041/41.1singer.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/technology_and_culture/v041/41.1singer.pdf</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-08T00:48:01Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63174</id>
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    <title>Comment from Earle Martin on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Earle Martin</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/hex</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In fact, Google Books has a preview of Adam's book. (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IVLmW1C7oGEC) Quote: "...the AI idea of search and goal seeking... harks back to Aristotelian notions of goals, and can also be seen in terms of the phallocentric urge to a unitary goal described by postmodernist thought." Give me a break!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-08T00:52:16Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63176</id>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall Kirkpatrick on 2008-08-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hey Earle, I think you're wrong!  Thanks for bringing that stuff up though, since no one else had - somebody had to be the dude that did.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-08T01:07:07Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63209</id>
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    <title>Comment from Shawn Simister on 2008-08-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Shawn Simister</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<blockquote><i>
If our semantic markup reading robot finds markup asserting that a certain relationship exists and does not find any markup asserting that it does not exist - ought we conclude that we've determined the truth of the matter?
</i></blockquote>

<p>If our Semantic Web researcher finds markup asserting a male perspective and does not find any markup asserting a female perspective - ought we conclude that we've determined the gender of the Semantic Web?</p>

<p>Or to put it another way, does the absence of one perspective really imply a prejudice towards another perspective?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-08T08:03:26Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63215</id>
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    <title>Comment from pit on 2008-08-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>pit</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>an interview with Corrina Barth <a href="http://bit.ly/semweb" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/semweb</a> </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-08T11:06:47Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63264</id>
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    <title>Comment from Leo Sauermann on 2008-08-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>Leo Sauermann</name>
        <uri>http://leobard.twoday.net/stories/5106972/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>just to mention it: Marion Fugléwicz-Bren led the interview.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-08T18:30:50Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63496</id>
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    <title>Comment from Matthias Samwald on 2008-08-12</title>
    <author>
        <name>Matthias Samwald</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have to say that this is not a very thorough analysis of the representation of gender on the Semantic Web. Let's have a look... the most popular ontology for the representation of personal information on the Semantic Web is FOAF... let's see how FOAF represents gender...</p>

<p><a href="http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_gender" rel="nofollow">http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_gender</a></p>

<p>Oh! It turns out that FOAF does not make the strict male-female classification of gender that is critized here at all! In fact, the 'gender' property is just a simple text field where people can type in 'male', 'female', 'transgender' or anything they desire. The FOAF spec also explicitly says</p>

<p>"Values other than 'male' and 'female' may be used, but are not enumerated here. The foaf:gender mechanism is not intended to capture the full variety of biological, social and sexual concepts associated with the word 'gender'."</p>

<p>Conclusion: The most popular ontology on the Semantic Web is more gender-aware than 99% of other computer applications, government forms, people on earth, et cetera.</p>

<p>Cheers,<br />
Matthias Samwald<br />
Semantic Web Company</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-12T07:03:26Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63608</id>
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    <title>Comment from Said Kassem Hamideh on 2008-08-13</title>
    <author>
        <name>Said Kassem Hamideh</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The problem to me is not that the Semantic Web is unable to support emergent categories or represent knowledge in complex ways. It obviously can. The larger concern I have is thinking about the cumulative effect that the Semantic Web might have on knowledge. If meanings are distributed and weighed according to variables that take popularity, circulation, traffic patterns into account, then we must consider the possibility that knowledge, despite its potential for being represented deeply and diversely through semantic layering, will actually allow further entrenchment of systematically one-sided, hegemonic or mainstream views.  </p>

<p>There are commercial and intellectual pressures on knowledge that favor the universal, the standard, the consolidated over the complex, the thick. The Semantic Web should be viewed as a movement that is vulnerable to be impregnated by these pressures. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-13T14:44:07Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.6966-comment:63725</id>
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    <title>Comment from Sam on 2008-08-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sam</name>
        <uri>http://www.onenw.org</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'm just getting into the semantic web and the power of names and naming in general. Really cool stuff. I would add, in light of this article, that in addition to gender another issue seems to be how to represent paradoxes and dichotomies of knowledge. 
</p>
<p>
In our everyday life we actually encounter many "truths" that sometimes seem to contradict each other, yet exist side-by-side. The best examples I can think of are in questions of morality and ethics. The U.S. war in the Middle East can either be called "wrong" or "necessary" depending on your sources. Some would even say that both answers are true. If the goal of the semantic web is to be unbiased, we must find a way to represent differing viewpoints about a particular topic.</p>
<p>Perhaps just representing these ideas is enough. Should we ask our machines to reach a conclusion?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-08-14T15:32:57Z</published>
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