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    <published>2008-09-10T20:37:32Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-12T05:21:03Z</updated>
    <title>ITunes 8: The Genius in the Box</title>
    <summary>ITunes 8: The Genius in the Box</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Frederic Lardinois</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[<p><img alt="itunes_genius_logo.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/itunes_genius_logo.jpg" />Music discovery services are definitely a hot topic right now, with <a target="_blank" href="http://pandora.com">Pandora</a>, <a target="_blank" href="http://last.fm">Last.fm</a>, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.imeem.com/">imeem</a>, and others vying for users. Yesterday, Apple joined the fray when it released <a target="_blank" href="http://apple.com/itunes">iTunes 8</a> and its 'Genius' recommendation engine. After examining your iTunes library, iTunes uploads data about your library to Apple's servers and returns back a set of information about how the songs in your library correlate to each other. Based on this, iTunes can now build playlists of similar songs and display shopping recommendations.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>How Does it Work?</h2>

<p><img alt="itunes_genius_sidebar.png" align="right" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/itunes_genius_sidebar.png" />As is typical for Apple, the company is not exactly transparent when it comes to describing how the 'Genius' feature actually works. It looks as if Apple compares your music selection to that of other users and then builds its recommendations based on this. We assume that iTunes looks at data about play and skip counts, beats per minute (which is available for all songs in the iTunes store), ratings, and playlists. </p>

<p>Because these recommendations are at least partly based on the libraries of other iTunes users, iTunes periodically downloads updated recommendations. You can also force an update from the 'Store' menu.</p>

<p>One fact that surprised us was that Apple often returned playlists for songs that were clearly mislabeled, which has led us to speculate if Apple, during the first run of Genius, actually creates an acoustic fingerprint for every song.</p>

<p>According to Apple, all the uploaded information is anonymized. </p>

<h2>Does it Work?</h2>

<p>In our tests, the recommendations and playlists were often spot-on, but also a bit inconsistent. Sometimes we would get great recommendations based on songs from rather obscure bands, while we sometimes couldn't get any recommendations based on songs from more popular and contemporary artists. For classical music, the recommendation feature basically didn't work at all.</p>

<p><img alt="itunes_genius_fail.png" align="right" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/itunes_genius_fail.png" />We also noticed that the recommendations tend to favor more popular mainstream artists, but that could easily be a function of the current user base.</p>

<p>Apple points out that the recommendation engine will get better over time, as more users start uploading their information. It would be nice, however, if Apple also gave users a chance to tweak settings for themselves or at least gave us more information about how these recommendations are calculated.</p>

<p>One minor annoyance when using the recommendations is that if you decide to build a Genius playlist based on a song that is already playing, iTunes starts the song over after creating the new playlist.</p>

<h2>What about Last.fm and Pandora?</h2>

<p>As Last.fm co-founder Marting Stiksel pointed out in an <a target="_blank" href="http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/09/steve-jobs-anno.html">interview with Wired</a>'s Eliot Van Buskirk, the 'Genius' feature basically validates what other music recommendation services have been doing for a long time.</p>

<p>It's also important to point out that a lot of other music recommendation services have strong, built-in social networking functions. Apple, even though it now has information about the listening habits of a large chunk of its users, does nothing to connect these users. One neat function, for example, would be for iTunes to show playlists from other users that have a certain songs in it. For now, though, it doesn't seem as if Apple is interested in adding these social aspects to iTunes anytime soon.</p>

<h2>Rediscovering Music</h2>

<p>For now, when it works, Apple's recommendations are actually a very nice way of rediscovering a lot of music that had long been sitting in our jukebox but never saw the day of light. We also assume that the shopping recommendations in the sidebar will drive more traffic to Apple's music store, especially once the recommendations get a bit better and users get comfortable with trusting Apple's recommendations. </p>

<p><img alt="itunes_genius_1.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/itunes_genius_1.jpg" /></p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from rock on 2008-09-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>rock</name>
        <uri>http://blog4rock.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>P2P  nets are dead- that bad!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-09-10T21:01:55Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.7228-comment:66408</id>
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    <title>Comment from anthropicOne on 2008-09-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>anthropicOne</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Musicmatch Jukebox 10 had AutoDJ, which allowed the user to easy create a playlist based on a seed track, artist, or album. What's more, it allowed the user to control the diversity of the recommended tracks (closer to the seed track to most adventurous), and how many tracks come from your own library vs. subscription. In addition, it allowed you to pre-select the size of your playlist. And if you didn't like the tracks, hit the build button again for another set. In short, AutoDJ rocked.</p>

<p>Of course, MMJB and AutoDJ didn't receive the fanfare. iTunes has the market share, basically because it feed iPods and iPhones, and Musicmatch faded into non-existence after Yahoo!'s acquisition (very sad). But comparing this one feature, I'll start being impressed when Genius matches what Muscmatch's AutoDJ had way back in 2004.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-09-10T21:55:41Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.7228-comment:66412</id>
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    <title>Comment from PXLated on 2008-09-10</title>
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        <name>PXLated</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Apple was completely transparent in their presentation. You can have Genius work from within your collection OR authorize the uploading to Apple anonymously.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-09-10T22:23:40Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.7228-comment:66423</id>
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    <title>Comment from jlk on 2008-09-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>jlk</name>
        <uri>http://www.callingbangalore.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I don't get it.</p>

<p>I've selected any number of songs from a variety of genres and it generates junk for me.</p>

<p>Every playlist so far is 100% full of new tracks for iTunes purchase - not a single song pulled from my existing library of over 3,000 tracks. not one.</p>

<p>Well that's not completely correct - in a few cases, it has recommended songs i own - except it doesn't recognize that i own them and suggests i buy the tracks again.  </p>

<p>worse than that, the recommended 'playlists' are basically garbage.</p>

<p>finetune, which i use fairly often, does a 10x better job.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-09-10T23:55:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Matt W. on 2008-09-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>Matt W.</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@jlk: The sidebar will *always* show new tracks from iTunes. To generate a playlist consisting solely of tracks you already own, just right click on a song and select "Start Genius." </p>

<p>(I agree that it's completely misleading an unintuitive to do it this way, by the way, but that's how it is. In fact, you don't even need to keep that sidebar open to use Genius.)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-09-11T04:02:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Chris on 2008-09-11</title>
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        <name>Chris</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Apple are clearly using iTunes customer purchase data to determine your playlist, which makes sense given they have now sold over 6 billion tracks. This is surely enough data to build a decent referral system.</p>

<p>Also, I wiped my iTunes library before uploading, so no recently played/most played data was available. Although over time, this may very well be used at a later stage to further refine playlists.</p>

<p>Personally my recommendations have been pretty good, although iTunes isn't able to give me playlists for some of the more obscure artists - but to prove my theory, this is because these tracks are not available on iTunes, hence they know nothing about them.</p>

<p>Fingerprinting sounds plausable, but why go to that length when you could use a simply algorithm look for variations of mis-spellings. Saying that, it did take me over 4 hours to scan and upload my data to iTunes - so they were definately up to something...</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-09-11T09:05:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Craig on 2008-09-11</title>
    <author>
        <name>Craig</name>
        <uri>http://www.budgetpulse.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is very smart on Apple's part and from a marketing perspective was a great feature to add which will help lead to more downloads and profits for them.  The tool works well and always has the "buy" option right there, tempting you to make that quick simple purchase.  Now if they can just add a subscription based service to itunes, that's something I would jump on right away.  Would that appeal to anyone else?</p>

<p>Craig<br />
www.budgetpulse.com<br />
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    <published>2008-09-11T15:33:29Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Maxwell on 2008-09-13</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Maxwell</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>When are you going to correct the MMJB issue with Itunes?<br />
It is causing my computer to crash everytime I try to download one of my CD's to my Itunes. This is a huge issue, try googleing it if you need more information. THIS NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED OR IPOD NEEDS TO REFUND OUR MONEY WE SPENT ON IPOD!!!!!!!!!</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-09-14T02:15:12Z</published>
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