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  <title>Comments for Health 2.0 and The New Economics of Aggregation</title>
  
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    <published>2008-10-22T22:00:00Z</published>
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    <title>Health 2.0 and The New Economics of Aggregation</title>
    <summary>Clay Shirky, author of Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing without Organizations, considers Health 2.0 to be the new economics of aggregation - both information and people. Speaking to a standing-room-only audience at the Health 2.0 Conference in San Francisco this morning, Shirky explained that in going forward, we must focus on three things:...</summary>
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      <name>Lidija Davis</name>
      
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/health20_logo_oct08.jpg" /><a href="http://www.shirky.com/">Clay Shirky</a>, author of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Here-Comes-Everybody-Organizing-Organizations/dp/1594201536?tag=readwriteweb-20">Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing without Organizations</a>, considers Health 2.0 to be the new economics of aggregation - both information and people.</p>

<p>Speaking to a standing-room-only audience at the <a href="http://www.health2con.com/">Health 2.0 Conference</a> in San Francisco this morning, Shirky explained that in going forward, we must focus on three things: information, co-ordination and collaboration.  The idea expands on his recent article <a href="http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/abstract/hlthaff.27.5.w383v1"><em>Health Information Technology: A Few Years Of Magical Thinking? </em></a> (with Carol Diamond), which warns the health care IT establishment against the dangers of "magical thinking."</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p><em>From Health Information Technology: A Few Years Of Magical Thinking:</em></p>

<blockquote>"The challenge of thinking of IT as a tool to improve quality requires serious attention to transforming the U.S. health care system as a whole, rather than simply computerizing the current setup. Proponents of health IT must resist "magical thinking," such as the notion that technology will transform our broken system, absent integrated work on policy or incentives."</blockquote>

<p>The problem, according to Shirky, is that we are overestimating the value of individuals accessing information, and underestimating groups collaborating.</p>

<p>"Patients in aggregate behave very differently than when solo," Shirky explained today.  "Think about what you do when you get a bad diagnosis - you fire up Google, find out who has what you have, and then talk to them.  That ability, for patients to pool their resources, is a massive change to the health industry."</p>

<h2>Information</h2>

<p>"Back in 1974, when the Internet was a fraction of what it is now, the acorn to an oak, there were really only two applications," said Shirky, "Telnet, and FTP.  When electronic mail was introduced, it dwarfed Telnet and FTP by 75% within three months."  </p>

<p>This taught us something, Shirky told the audience, "The most valuable thing is not computers and machines; it's people."</p>

<p>"The classic mistake, when people start thinking about how data will affect field X, they tend to completely ignore group access to collaboration - and this is what is most important," Shirky continued.</p>

<p>"While engineers are busy building technology and talking about building trust, they forget that trust is not about machines, it's about people.  And whenever people decide to trust one another, information will flow."  He pointed to Yahoo! Groups, which has in excess of 180K groups about health alone. "This scale indicates an enormous demand for this conversation.  These people are using basic tools; they're not waiting for technology. It's about trust; humans are the trust networks, not technology."</p>

<h2>Coordination</h2>

<p>"The Voice of the Faithful launched in January 2002," Shirky told us, "and started with 30 people.  Today, they have in excess of 30 thousand members, spread over many countries - all recruited by other members."  </p>

<p>The Voice of the Faithful was formed when the community learned that church officials had tried to cover-up clergy sexual abuse.   </p>

<p>"The Archdioceses in Massachusetts freaked out.  He wanted to gag people, telling them 'you can say anything to the person in the next pew, but you cannot talk to people in the next town," said Shirky.  </p>

<p>"They tried to subdivide the population, but this of course, didn't work."</p>

<p>People do talk, and mainstream Catholics started talking as never before; to each other and to the world.  </p>

<p>"And when it comes to health, patient centric medicine is not just about 'me, me, me' anymore; the Internet has made it about me - and - everyone I'm talking to," said Shirky.</p>

<p>While many argue that this type of system is too informal and shouldn't be happening, Shirky pointed out that "you have to remember we've always had informal conversations, we've just never had this type of connection.  And the majority of these conversations are brokered by fellow patients; not by working professionals."</p>

<h2>Collaboration</h2>

<p>"Increasingly," Shirky explained, "what is happening everywhere is the ability people have to collaborate."  </p>

<p>"In early 2008, Los Angeles surgeon Dr. Lawrence Dorr went to orthopedic joint manufacturer Zimmer and told them he'd noticed an alarming number of patients experiencing problems after routine hip replacements, who often needed a second operation,"  Shirky told the audience.  "Zimmer took a look at the device, said it was fine and blamed the doctor who in their opinion needed further training."<br />
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Dorr didn't like this answer.  He went and posted a letter online.  Patients started copying and pasting this document across the Web.  It ended up as a public relations nightmare for Zimmer and led to the eventual suspension of the product by Zimmer Holdings.</p>

<p>"Institutions are trying to prevent 2.0 from happening," Shirky said, but it isn't working.</p>

<p>He pointed to a service called Medical Justice, which claims it is 'relentlessly protecting physicians from frivolous lawsuits' and offers among other things, a contract that doctors can have their patients sign which is supposed to prevent the physician from being defamed on the Internet.   </p>

<p>"The problem of course, is that while you may be gagged by this contract, your friends are not." Shirky concluded.  "Much like Zimmer, they're selling the fantasy - that patients are solo."</p>

<p>What do you think?  Should we continue focusing on the technology, or on the information and people?</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from rick on 2008-10-22</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>"What do you think? Should we continue focusing on the technology, or on the information and people?"</p>

<p>Um... you're kidding right? Technology exists to enable us to do things that we couldn't do or to do things that we used to do much better. It's an enabler... nothing more. Now, it can be a very cool enabler or a poor one and I'd love to see RWW call out the ones that are good and take the ones that fall short of promise to task... but focusing just on technology without regard to its purpose misses the entire point of creating that technology in the first place. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-22T23:30:26Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Lygeia Ricciardi on 2008-10-22</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Lidija – </p>

<p>I enjoyed meeting you at the Health 2.0 conference today. I certainly agree with Clay and Carol that technology alone is not the answer. We need to work on technology as well as the information and people—it’s not an either or.  </p>

<p>In a way it’s not surprising some imagine health IT to be some sort of magic bullet. We Americans (perhaps we humans?) want a magic bullet for everything (just take these pills and you’ll lose 20 pounds… etc.)  The truth is almost always more complex—and requires greater effort on our part.  </p>

<p>- Lygeia</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-23T00:21:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Kare Anderson on 2008-10-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>As a fan of Shirky's approach and an observer of so many health-centered online communities - I think it is, in part, a matter of the "engineers' because those who design the most user-friendly social media tools to support "our" collaboration will have the most trusted and profitable businesses.</p>

<p>The next step for healthcare (and other service) professionals is it do the "fearless" design the most transparent, user-friendly online community to serve their key stakeholders including patients/customers, staff, other experts and even vendors - all with upfront, visible Rules of Engagement for the community - rules that  bring out the best in all participants and raise the bar of healthcare.</p>

<p>To do that next step, involve those stakeholders in planning the design of the community and the rules for "us" to participate.</p>

<p>Those two essential steps will attract "everybody" (Per Shirky's book, Here Comes Everybody.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-23T19:07:23Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Robert Rowley, MD, Chief Medical Officer, Practice Fusion on 2008-10-23</title>
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        <name>Robert Rowley, MD, Chief Medical Officer, Practice Fusion</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I agree that a new era in healthcare IT is emerging. It is about moving from traditional enterprise-centered software (which are more institution-based) to a more SaaS-based hosted platform. For physicians, who have historicaly been loathe to adopt EMRs in their practices (mainly due to cost and disruption of workflow), this has been problematic. Most US physicians still practice in small-group (

<p>The new generation of software (called by some "EMR 2.0") is hosted (no in-house server systems needed), web-based (universally accessible) and very low cost -- Practice Fusion (<a href="http://www.practicefusion.com" rel="nofollow">Practice Fusion's Free EMR</a>) is an example of a hosted EMR that is free to the physician. In this environment, data linkages, connection with other clinicians as well as disparate outside data sources (e.g. hospitals, labs, pharmacies, etc) becomes much more achievable. And patient-portals (Personal Health Records, or PHRs) populated by the physician's EMR information, become a reality as well. The Healthcare IT 2.0 environment is exciting, challenging, and likely to render the traditional "EMR 1.0" solutions, so historically difficult to adopt, as dinosaurs.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-23T22:19:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Gilles Frydman on 2008-10-25</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The millions of patients and caregivers that have been using social networking software for close to 15 years couldn't care less about the next iteration of the TLS (Three Letter Shortcut and even less about its numbering scheme! People interested in Health 2.0 should reflect deeply about the apparently simple concepts of Clay Shirky.    </p>

<p>Health 2.0 is first and foremost about people. And then only accessorily  about technology, interfaces and anything else you want to add. All the Health 2.0 applications that are still based on the old paradigm of medicine will fail because they are not about the people they are supposed to serve. Health 2.0 that are truly tools to help e-patients receive patient-centered care will have much greater chance of success. And health 2.0  platforms who allow the creation of medical knowledge from the coordination and collaboration of patient communities will finally realize the promise of Health 2.0.  </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-25T18:25:18Z</published>
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