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    <published>2008-12-23T01:13:14Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-23T01:42:52Z</updated>
    <title>Report Says Twitter Would Take 36 Years to Catch Facebook - If Facebook Stopped Growing Today</title>
    <summary>Marketing firm HubSpot will publish a report tomorrow on the state of Twitter at the end of 2008, based on user data the company harvested from its controversial app TwitterGrader. Though the report&apos;s methodology is not discussed, the numbers it includes are quite interesting. We draw our own conclusions based on those numbers below....</summary>
    <author>
      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img alt="hubspotlogo.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/hubspotlogo.jpg" width="164" height="67" >Marketing firm <a href="http://hubspot.com">HubSpot</a> will publish a report tomorrow on the state of Twitter at the end of 2008, based on user data the company harvested from its controversial app <a href="http://twitter.grader.com">TwitterGrader</a>.  Though the report's methodology is not discussed, the numbers it includes are quite interesting.  We draw our own conclusions based on those numbers below.<br />
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      <![CDATA[<p>Days after Facebook posted some incredible new user numbers, it's hard not to use that as the measuring stick.  While the <a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&nolr=1&q=facebook&btnG=Search">media has mentioned Facebook</a> about 4X as many times as it has <a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=twitter&btnG=Search+News">mentioned of Twitter</a> in the last month -  Facebook is not four times the size of Twitter.   It is almost 30 times as big and growing much faster.</p>

<p>HubSpot estimates that Twitter has 4 to 5 million users, 30% of which are "brand new or unengaged."  They estimate that <strong>Twitter sees between five and ten thousand new accounts opened each day</strong>.  That's a nice number, but it's far below, for example, Facebook's astonishing <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_growth_explodes.php">600k daily registrations and 140 million active users</a>.  Twitter is a fascinating little phenomenon - Facebook is mainstream. </p>

<p>Why is this important for users?  Because most of the people you might really enjoy connecting with on Twitter are unlikely to ever use it.  They are busy using Facebook instead.</p>

<p><img alt="twitterpublic.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/twitterpublic.jpg" width="609" height="245" ><br />
<center><em>John Q. on Twitter: Not Listening and Nothing to Say</em></center> </p>

<p><br />
<h2>Projecting Current Numbers</h2></p>

<p>If Facebook stopped growing right now and Twitter's numbers were at the upper end of Hubspot's estimates (10k per day) - <strong>it would take 36 years for Twitter to catch up</strong>. [(135,000,000 more Facebook users / 10,000 new Twitter users per day) / 365 days per year = just about 37 years]  </p>

<p>Facebook, on the other hand, grows another Twitter's worth of new users every 8 days.  This at a time when everyone from the President Elect to CNN to Shaquille O'Neil   to Britney Spears is jumping on board Twitter!</p>

<p>Of course these conclusions require us to believe Facebook's numbers and HubSpot's numbers about Twitter.  HubSpot has an economic interest in making Twitter look as big as possible, though, as it's selling marketing services related to Twitter.  (Disclosure: this author once did an hour of consulting for Hubspot, as well.)</p>

<p>The logical conclusion here appears to be that Twitter is numerically insignificant.</p>

<p>Other findings from HubSpot's forthcoming report:<br />
<ul><li>38% of Twitter users haven't uploaded a photo of themselves to their profile.  This is a far cry from Facebook or LinkedIn's "verified identities" and closer to Digg's bizarre world of juvenile freaks with random handles.  The Digg model, by the way, is having <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_52/b4114082618241.htm">a really hard time making any money.</a></li><br />
<li>22% of users have 0 to 5 followers.  9% of users haven't even figured out that the point is to follow people on Twitter - they haven't followed anyone at all.</li><br />
<li>There are other numbers in the report that are interesting and not so negative.  20% of Twitter users have joined in the last 60 days, HubSpot says.  That means Twitter is, since the end of October, on a pace to double in just under a year. </li><br />
<li>Twitter appears to be used primarily for communicating in small groups.  30% of users are following 5 or fewer other people,  78% are following 50 or fewer.</li></ul></p>

<p>Our take away?  We love Twitter, we use it all day long.  It's a fascinating little technology that's interesting to watch and use.  It's image far outweighs its numbers, though, and there's no reason to believe that's going to change soon.</p>

<p>You can read the full HubSpot report for yourself below.<br />
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://pdfmenot.com/embed/?url=http://cdnqa.hubteam.com/State_of_the_Twittersphere_by_HubSpot_Q4-2008.pdf&width=600&height=450"></script></p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Jmartens on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jmartens</name>
        <uri>http://www.CitySpeek.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The problem that Twitter faces, IMO, is that they have a reputation of being for the tech elite. The average internet user is intimidated by Twitter. My very average friends love Facebook but wont get close to Twitter.</p>

<p>Whether the belief is right or wrong doesn't matter. Perception is everything when it comes to new users.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T01:34:14Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Joel Strellner on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Joel Strellner</name>
        <uri>http://twitturly.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It doesn't seem like the report is taking into account the hockey stick growth that Twitter is just starting to get into.</p>

<p>I predict that within 3 years, Twitter will be just as big as Facebook currently is. Within 5 years, Twitter will be bigger that Facebook.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T01:35:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Brandon J. Mendelson on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Brandon J. Mendelson</name>
        <uri>http://www.thebrandonshow.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I won't make any predictions, I don't have the evidence and although I admire Hubspot for their efforts here, I don't think they have enough evidence to make these claims. Twitter Grader, it could be argued, is only used by more advanced users, and thus leaves out others who are just getting started.</p>

<p>That said, Twitter and Facebook do different things, so it's unfair to compare them. Facebook is a multimedia platform and destination *like Yahoo in the old days*, Twitter is a multi-way conversation and application for on the ground interaction. </p>

<p>A better comparison for Twitter would be to Brightkite.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T01:43:13Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Rich Becker on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rich Becker</name>
        <uri>http://www.copywriteink.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Marshall, </p>

<p>I have to agree with Brandon that they are very, very different tools. Not to mention, a Twitter feed installs to Facebook seamlessly, which makes them cohabitants as opposed to competitors. Look forward to seeing the full doc though.</p>

<p>All my best, <br />
Rich</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T02:13:06Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from wind4me on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>wind4me</name>
        <uri>http://www.Wind4me.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I am new to Twitter and really enjoy reading what I want to read and have been blown away by the volume of new followers reading about Wind Power off of Twitter<br />
<a href="http://www.Wind4me.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.Wind4me.com</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T02:35:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mark Drapeau on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mark Drapeau</name>
        <uri>http://twitter.com/cheeky_geeky</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Although Twitter may indeed gain users on an exponential (like a "hockey stick" model) in the future, I do believe that continued growth is directly related to personal verification, as I've written here at Mashable (http://bit.ly/peopleontwitter).  Has everyone forgotten that this is what sets LinkedIn and Facebook apart from MySpace and all the rest?  People like to know who they're talking to!  If you are new, see the poor user interface, and that 38% of people don't have a picture up, why would you want to keep using the system?  It's hard enough "to get" as it is.  </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T02:36:11Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Wes on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Wes</name>
        <uri>http://www.friendfeed.com/digitalshaman</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Not sure how facebook makes money - comparing say the reported results for YouTube revenues (Warner produces commercial content & doesn't seem impressed - see recent articles - user-generated content has yet to see a compelling pay-off even bittorrent & joost are suffering & their models are less tenuous based on "piracy" estimates) ... </p>

<p>Text is a $100 bil business & twitter may have the most to offer in getting some split with high ROI ... OTOH facebook may suffer more from competition from those that do not host data - say friendfeed ... Yahoo is working with att.net, a separate example (relevance? Not clear on their arrangement) </p>

<p>It doesn't seem to matter who is "elite" only who is willing to pay ... People pay a lot for text ... IMHO Seems like a skewed way to interpret the upside for either business.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T02:49:33Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ed on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ed</name>
        <uri>http://Twitter.com/NextInstinct</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I don't buy that angle for a minute. </p>

<p>Twitter isn't trying to be Facebook. <br />
And Facebook is, by all means, a giant phenom itself.</p>

<p>But Twitter will be far bigger. Why?</p>

<p>As I've been saying since it was twttr;</p>

<p>"Twitter. It's for EVERYBODY" </p>

<p><br />
{Facebook, is not}</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T02:54:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Tyler Hurst on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Tyler Hurst</name>
        <uri>http://www.tylerhurst.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Twitter and Facebook use opposite approaches to social networking with far, far different goals in mind.</p>

<p>THEY AREN'T THE SAME DAMN THING! Email and IM do something very similar, yet do we see either of those technologies dying anytime soon? Of course not.</p>

<p>Twitter is a stand-alone tool and a complement to Facebook.</p>

<p>And hell yeah it's only for the tech elite. Too many idiots in the world as is.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T03:03:10Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall Kirkpatrick on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Fwiw, I use Twitter and Facebook very similarly - except I use Twitter instead of Facebook.  Both are social networks that get discussed a lot these days - I think it's a fair comparison, even if they are different in important ways too.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T03:07:52Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Glen Turpin on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Glen Turpin</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/gturpin</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Who says Twitter needs to catch up?</p>

<p>As others have commented, Facebook and Twitter are complimentary and serve different needs. I don't think Twitter will ever catch up to Facebook.</p>

<p>Facebook excels at keeping people up to speed with their friends. It's a closed loop, and all of the information flow is predicated on established friend connections.</p>

<p>Twitter's strength is in the fact that you can follow anyone, whether they know it or not. Maybe it's a function of the people I friend/follow, but Facebook is more social while Twitter seems more informational. Everyone has a social life. Not everybody wants another source of information.</p>

<p>This is an apples and oranges comparison.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T03:37:18Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from KyNam Doan on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>KyNam Doan</name>
        <uri>http://kynamdoan.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Facebook and Twitter are quite different.  I see Facebook and FriendFeed as being strong competitors however.</p>

<p>In any case, nice splashy title, but acquisition curves are just that, curved.  You're pre-supposing linearity when linearity is almost never the case.</p>

<p>It is an otherwise interesting post.  Thanks!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T03:45:17Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from thunderror on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>thunderror</name>
        <uri>http://thunderror.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Facebook is mainstream social networking and Twitter is geeky microblogging..How can you compare them? Its like comparing Wordpress with Google...</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T04:51:50Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from qthrul on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>qthrul</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/qthrul</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Speaking of trajectory, extrapolation, and pseudoreplication...</p>

<p>Another interesting 36 year arc is Atari.  Then there was the case of a couple of crazed gametes that fused 36 years ago and I was the result.</p>

<p>Clearly, in 36 years I have not yet reached a level of cool to displace Atari logos on aging hipster tee shirts.  </p>

<p>Such fail is all too common.</p>

<p>Let's hope Twitter gets cranking before it is too late.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T04:53:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from dan on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>dan</name>
        <uri>http://www.twitter.com/floozyspeak</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Pointless post/report. If anything its a strong indicator of either of these two services peeking and that downward trend likely.  In 5-10 years the whole scene will be different and both of these services are likely to be the friendsters of our time.  </p>

<p>Facebook and Twitter are two totally different things.  Why is it in 08 we had plenty o pointless comparison posts, friendfeed vs twitter, pownce vs elvis, readwriteweb vs techcrunch, mahalao vs other startup dying trying hard to find a way to make money before consumers exit stage left and on and on.</p>

<p>Slow news day.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-23T05:00:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from qthrul on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>qthrul</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/qthrul</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Nifty plugin!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T05:19:22Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120696</id>
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    <title>Comment from nemrut on 2008-12-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>nemrut</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>The question is will FB even be a viable entity going forward or collapse under their own weight?  Their burn-rate just to keep up with the bandwidth demands is incredibly high.  This is the main impediment for them to scale to the demands of the masses..</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T06:37:54Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120700</id>
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    <title>Comment from Dipesh Khakhkhar on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dipesh Khakhkhar</name>
        <uri>http://dipeshkhakhkhar.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://dipeshkhakhkhar.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Good analysis but wrong comparison. You are comparing apple (social network tool) with orange (microblogging tool). If you analyze status update in Facebook against the twitter updates then in someway there is a scope to compare but this in no way fair comparison.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T08:03:00Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120706</id>
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    <title>Comment from LEADSExplorer on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>LEADSExplorer</name>
        <uri>http://www.leadsepxlorer.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.leadsepxlorer.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Facebook is used by consumers.<br />
Twitter is used by a selective group of people in Information technology or marketing business.</p>

<p>Facebook wants to become a platform for applications.<br />
Twitter has become a platform for applications.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T10:13:48Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120709</id>
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    <title>Comment from Steven Finch on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Steven Finch</name>
        <uri>http://crenk.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://crenk.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I think comparing Facebook to Twitter is just stupid. They are different types of companies trying to get people to use their service for a completely different type of reason. </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T10:32:34Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120712</id>
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    <title>Comment from Elias Bizannes on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Elias Bizannes</name>
        <uri>http://liako.biz</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://liako.biz">
        <![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it's a good analysis (as always), it but doesn't mean anything.</p>

<p>Facebook innovated on the social networking concept years after the first proper social networking site. Twitter is innovating on a whole new approach to communications, that even myself as an active twitter user, doesn't really know how it will pan out. </p>

<p>Twitter is doing to communications, what search did to information. Give it - and its competitors which haven't been created yet - some time.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T10:42:11Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120726</id>
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    <title>Comment from henry on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>henry</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>what a pathetic stunt this report is. the grader is a rubbish metric. the report is a marketing ploy with voodoo substituted for proper statistics (hey, plotting stuff in excel is not proper analysis, k?). the data is also rubbish (a compete graph?). and finally, an assumption of linear growth instead of accounting for network effects that bring logarithmic growth.</p>

<p>but now, we can paint graphs in pretty orange and publish them and look all awesome.</p>

<p>and in other news, twitter will take a quadrajillion years to catch up with google.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T13:21:18Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120734</id>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Pate on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Pate</name>
        <uri>http://michaelkpate.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://michaelkpate.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>Last night on the Fox Report at 7 pm, they explained the story of the Denver Plane Crash and how Mike Wilson used Twitter immediately after the crash. I am sure millions of people who had never heard of Twitter saw that story. I think Twitter's potential growth curve is just fine.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T14:04:09Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120739</id>
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    <title>Comment from VeteranWebObserver on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>VeteranWebObserver</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>For all of the main stream publicity that Twitter has received in the last year or so, the fact that it only has 4 million users, many of whom are not engaged, speaks very negatively for the service. The fact is, many people just don't find the service to be worthwhile. Maybe, most people prefer to not be this hyperconnected?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T14:45:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120745</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ari R. on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ari R.</name>
        <uri>http://www.adgrad.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.adgrad.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Like others said, it doesn't make any sense comparing Twitter and Facebook, as they stand today. I would be much more interested to see what Facebook was doing in their first year of growth. If I remember correctly, some profiles lacked pictures as they didn't know how to use Facebook. I believe Facebook has been around for 5 years so a true comparison should wait until Twitter has been around for 5 years.</p>

<p>With that said, I am on both sites and believe Twitter will make more money than Facebook when all is said.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T15:31:15Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120746</id>
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    <title>Comment from AnthonyIac on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>AnthonyIac</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>They're two completely different things.  I like Twitter better because it's simple, private, and no one on Twitter is engaged in a pissing contest of who has more friends, thus increasing their popularity as if they're some sort of rockstar.  Twitter just is.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T15:59:50Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120747</id>
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    <title>Comment from scott on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>scott</name>
        <uri>http://yonkly.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://yonkly.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>You may also want to check out yonkly. It's the first "create your own" microblog to integrate with Twitter: <a href="http://yonkly.com" rel="nofollow">http://yonkly.com</a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T16:04:15Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120748</id>
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    <title>Comment from David Berkowitz on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>David Berkowitz</name>
        <uri>http://www.marketersstudio.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.marketersstudio.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>How about a post that says that since there are more stars in the sky than buildings, urban planning will never be as important as astronomy. That makes about as much sense from this post, which surprisingly shows little understanding of either things being compared.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T16:11:31Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120749</id>
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    <title>Comment from Paul Chaney on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Paul Chaney</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Does the fact that, as with MySpace, Facebook's user-base was/is largely a younger demographic as opposed to Twitter (whose user-base averages age 35 and up, according to one study I read) play into these growth numbers? </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T16:18:35Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120750</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ari Herzog on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ari Herzog</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/ariherzog</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/ariherzog">
        <![CDATA[<p>Jumping on the bandwagon of Dan, Elias, and others, while the HubSpot report provides value, there is little legitimacy comparing Twitter with Facebook due to the reasons one uses each, as you admitted, Marshall.</p>

<p>Many people lead busy lives and they want to visit one site, see their friends' status updates and pictures and vampire bites and little green patches inside of 60 seconds. That is doable with Facebook's feed of status updates, but harder to track with Twitter, relying on external tools.</p>

<p>A better analogy might be to compare this Twitter trend with Friendster.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T16:25:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120751</id>
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    <title>Comment from Joel Luxby on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Joel Luxby</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Facebook sucks & it just sucks all your personal information into it for anyone to harvest.  It looks like someone puked on the screen any time you go to Facebook.  Twitter is useful and focused.  </p>

<p>It could use a few enhancements but is a much better overall application than Facebook.  Facebook will peak and people will move on within the next 5 years or so.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T16:28:39Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120752</id>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Dougherty on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Dougherty</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with what I see as the overwhelming response. A comparison of Facebook and Twitter in a little unfair because how they used, and the reasons for it, are not directly parallel. There are only two features that are parallel and, as pointed out several times above, the two social media tools work pretty well together. </p>

<p>I'm a little turned off by the credibility of this piece based on the response of "Both are social networks that get discussed a lot these days - I think it's a fair comparison, even if they are different in important ways too." Just because they are both lumped into the social media bundle doesn't mean it's an apples to apples comparrison. Based on his response I would love to see his comparrison of Myspace Vs. Flickr, Ning Vs. Vimeo and several others that have very little in common except for being considered a social media tool.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T16:29:23Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120754</id>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall Kirkpatrick on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Michael Dougherty - you bring up an interesting example.  Facebook now says it's the largest photo sharing service on the web - beyond Flickr.  Is that a fair comparison?  In some ways I think it is.  Re Ning and Vimeo, if Vimeo were of any substantial size, or if Ning could say "you know, Vimeo is known as a place where a lot of artists upload their video, but the fact is - more artists upload video to Ning than to Vimeo" - I think that would then be a fair comparison to make.  Likewise, both Twitter and Facebook are services we use to see what our friends are doing and to share what we're doing.  Both are social networks.  I love Twitter - but the fact is that it is tiny compared to *its competitor* Facebook.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T16:42:06Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120758</id>
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    <title>Comment from jak on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>jak</name>
        <uri>http://jasonkeath.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://jasonkeath.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I do not see much value in comparing Twitter to Facebook. I doubt Twitter will ever approach that type of market saturation. I doubt LinkedIn will even get there and they are well ahead of Twitter. These are just different services with different audiences. </p>

<p>Also, using the current per day growth to project out 36 years is a little silly. Their growth has hardly been a steady consistent line. We are working with multipliers here, steep inclines, not straight lines.</p>

<p>It would make more sense to compare their growth lines at similar ages of the sites.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T16:55:04Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120762</id>
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    <title>Comment from Clark Mackey on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Clark Mackey</name>
        <uri>http://www.betterfindability.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.betterfindability.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Wrong title.  It should be "Report Claims," not Report Reveals."  The whole thing also falls into the "so what?" category for me. </p>

<p>1) Twitter is perfect for feeding updates into the other social media, especially facebook.  As others have said, they compliment each other rather than compete.</p>

<p>2) Twitter has obvious and ongoing commercial uses - building followers and twitter specials, discounts, links that help your audience solve their problems.</p>

<p>3) Twitter is easy.</p>

<p>Even if Twitter flames out, someone will take up the mantle and build something similar.  The market is now in place thanks to Twitter.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:00:27Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120763</id>
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    <title>Comment from Donaldson on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Donaldson</name>
        <uri>http://www.twitter.com/Donaldson</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.twitter.com/Donaldson">
        <![CDATA[<p>Wow, Jmartens, wow.  Just, um, wow. - "My <em>very average friends</em> love Facebook but wont get close to Twitter."</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:00:56Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120766</id>
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    <title>Comment from Darren Culbreath on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Darren Culbreath</name>
        <uri>http://www.samepoint.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.samepoint.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>On samepoint.com we count: </p>

<p>206,000,000 Mentions for Facebook<br />
<a href="http://www.samepoint.com/?q=facebook" rel="nofollow">http://www.samepoint.com/?q=facebook</a></p>

<p>21,000,000  Mentions for Twitter<br />
<a href="http://www.samepoint.com/?q=twitter" rel="nofollow">http://www.samepoint.com/?q=twitter</a></p>

<p>Ironically, we have had about equal success with both. </p>

<p>Thanks readwriteweb for shedding some light on this! Great post. </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:10:29Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120767</id>
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    <title>Comment from Loki on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Loki</name>
        <uri>http://socialgumbo.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://socialgumbo.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>The fact that this is based on Twitter Grader, a service I have tested out several times getting completely conflicting results each time, pretty much invalidates these findings as far as I am concerned. </p>

<p>In addition the comparison is Apples to Oranges. </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:13:28Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120768</id>
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    <title>Comment from mark on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>mark</name>
        <uri>http://thesocialnet.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://thesocialnet.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Wow.  People sure get defensive about Twitter!</p>

<p>To provide some balance though, it's in HubSpot's self interest to post big numbers about Twitter usage, isn't it?</p>

<p>So I think there's more credibility to their core finding--that Twitter ISN'T 'all that'--than whether comparing Twitter to Facebook is a fair comparison.</p>

<p>It is. They are both social networking tools.  The essence of the report is that MOST people don't find Twitter to be as useful a social networking tool as Facebook.</p>

<p>Period.  End of story.  Don't read any more into than it is.  Just because you happen to be one of the few that 'get' Twitter, use it and find it useful, doesn't mean the rest of the world does.</p>

<p>Twitter is often flaunted as the next 'killer app'.  I tend to agree with the report that it isn't--there just isn't enough value for the average person to take advantage of it.</p>

<p>Let's face it, it's really just a very slow moving IRC chat window.  Some folks are addicted to it, some have better things to do with their time.</p>

<p>I'm not saying that Twitter isn't useful in some way--it is.</p>

<p>It's just not for everyone.  For MOST people, Facebook represents a way to stay in touch with their friends and people they know offline.</p>

<p>The essence of Twitter is about creating NEW friends, or gleaning bits of wisdom/minutae from total strangers.</p>

<p>Imagine that--more people would prefer to connect with people they already know, than take the effort to connect with people they don't know.</p>

<p>Thanks for the info, Hubspot!  I know have additional information on how to best use Twitter.</p>

<p>If you want to reach the 'elite' or 'influencers', use Twitter.  When you want to connect with the masses--go to someplace like FB.  (although I can, and do argue, that FB is a terrible advertising platform).</p>

<p>It's just information people, no need to defend Twitter so vigorously.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:16:37Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120769</id>
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    <title>Comment from pam on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>pam</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>This is pointless to compare Twitter to Facebook... why even do it? They are not competitors. I use both. I found out about Twitter from Facebook and now I use Twitter daily and Facebook not so much, but only occasionaly. </p>

<p>Signing up isn't a good measurement...how often do users use the product? Quite a few people I know sign up for Facebook and seldom use it. I never thought of Twitter as being for the techno "elite" and I am what one would call an average user and I LOVE Twitter. It's so much less complicated than Facebook. I find so much more info on Twitter -that's how I came across this article as a matter of fact. I don't know why the need to compare them, they both are useful in their way. The sandbox is big enough for all I say. The more toys the merrier!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:17:03Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120770</id>
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    <title>Comment from Daltonsbriefs on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Daltonsbriefs</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/daltonsbriefs</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/daltonsbriefs">
        <![CDATA[<p>I can tell you that twitter has the ability to scale quickly for "movements".  Sure, I know there are tons of facebook groups but I don't think many people actually go and hang out in those groups.  Twitter hashtag movements, although some are short term, do indeed grip large chunks of members when news breaks.  </p>

<p>For my own use, twitter is real time, facebook is old news and more of a diary of things that already happened</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:17:36Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120771</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rick Pannell on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rick Pannell</name>
        <uri>http://www.iamaswimmer.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.iamaswimmer.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I love facebook but am now really liking twitter for all the content.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:26:02Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120772</id>
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    <title>Comment from rickpannell on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>rickpannell</name>
        <uri>http://www.iamaswimmer.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.iamaswimmer.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I like facebook, but really like twitter for all the good links and content.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:27:39Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120773</id>
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    <title>Comment from Lisa on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Lisa</name>
        <uri>http://www.israelinnovation20.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.israelinnovation20.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I'm going to take what every one is (rightly) saying about Twitter and Facebook being different technologies a little further. Because Facebook and Twitter are different and given Facebook's nature and its being mainstream, sooner or later Facebook is going to fully integrate the same Twitter functions in a way that will render Twitter unnecessary. </p>

<p>Facebook has shown that that's the direction it wants to take given its integration of the status and comment features and its failed attempt to actually buy Twitter recently. Going with Ari Herzog's comparison of Twitter to Friendster, most likely it will be that as a version 1.0 technology, Twitter has too many obstacles to face and as such it will never really mature and become mainstream.  </p>

<p>I blogged recently about where I see Facebook going in the near future in relation to Twitter that also connects to this post nicely. The link is <a href="http://www.israelinnovation20.com/2008/12/05/having-failed-to-buy-twitter-what-will-facebook-do-next/." rel="nofollow">http://www.israelinnovation20.com/2008/12/05/having-failed-to-buy-twitter-what-will-facebook-do-next/.</a>  </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:31:05Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120777</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ari Herzog on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ari Herzog</name>
        <uri>http://www.ariwriter.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.ariwriter.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Looking up at the Michael Dougherty/Marshall Kirkpatrick debate of Facebook vs Flickr for photos, while Facebook may be a repository of more pics, they're not all searchable and they are only tagged by people's names.</p>

<p>With Flickr, Wikimedia, etc, I can search a photo for an armadillo. Facebook photos may have an armadillo, but I'll never know; and if I'm not friends with that person or wasn't tagged in the photo, I'll never see it.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:46:55Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120778</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jeremiah Owyang on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jeremiah Owyang</name>
        <uri>http://web-strategist.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://web-strategist.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>It's rare I see adoption charts in a straight line, often they are curved.</p>

<p>Therefore, you can't measure Twitter's anticipated meeting point with Facebook as it's likely a growth curve --not a growth line.</p>

<p>Good points though.</p>

<p>I'm seeing reports (not confirmed) that twitter users is 3-6 million --a far cry from Facebook's 140mm (confirmed to me by Zuckerberg last week)</p>

<p>I'm tracking stats here</p>

<p><a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2008/11/19/social-networks-site-usage-visitors-members-page-views-and-engagement-by-the-numbers-in-2008/" rel="nofollow">http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2008/11/19/social-networks-site-usage-visitors-members-page-views-and-engagement-by-the-numbers-in-2008/</a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T17:49:43Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120782</id>
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    <title>Comment from Lisa on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Lisa</name>
        <uri>http://www.israelinnovation20.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.israelinnovation20.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@44 I can't imagine that Facebook isn't trying to address that right now. If Facebook does create a way to easily search photos in its system, it will no doubt also create privacy settings to go along with them that will make it possible or impossible to search anyone's pictures, even non-friends, based on those settings.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T18:08:36Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120786</id>
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    <title>Comment from lelapin on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>lelapin</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/lelapin</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/lelapin">
        <![CDATA[<p>Twitter maybe, what about Friendfeed (which is Twitter on steroid and, imho, its future)?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T18:26:49Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120788</id>
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    <title>Comment from thomasturnbull.myopenid.com on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>thomasturnbull.myopenid.com</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>As many readers point out, the Twitter vs. Facebook comparison is an exercise in apples vs. oranges.  I would rather see adoption curves of MySpace vs. Facebook and Twitter vs. Wordpress.  Although the Twitter vs. Wordpress comparison has its own apples/oranges issues, Twitter is best seen as a very simple form of blogging.  That market simply isn't Facebook size (Facebook is for everyone while Twitter appeals to a smaller set of people).  Both are great services (I'm not yet sure whether either is a great business, but that's another discussion.)</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T19:15:27Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120807</id>
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    <title>Comment from james on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>james</name>
        <uri>http://blog.swarmin.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blog.swarmin.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I also think they are meant to do entirely different things.  Facebook is primarily an online tool to connect with those you already know in your "real life" somehow.  Twitter allows you to reach the many out there on the web that you may actually have other reasons to connect with.   Thats the way I see them mostly used anyway.  The better twitter identities and content can be browsed and searched I think the more useful it will become to more people.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-23T21:33:11Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120824</id>
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    <title>Comment from Randy on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Randy</name>
        <uri>http://is.gd/ddtW</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://is.gd/ddtW">
        <![CDATA[<p>Facebook and Twitter are two completely different things. Click my name to see my blog entry that illustrates the difference :) </p>

<p>"Forget the numbers, comparing Twitter to Facebook is kinda like comparing a keg party to dinner with the in-laws."</p>

<p>(more at blog)</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-24T04:00:33Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120828</id>
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    <title>Comment from Neal McQuaid on 2008-12-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Neal McQuaid</name>
        <uri>http://nmcquaid.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://nmcquaid.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I really want to like Twitter but considering the SMS interface seems primarily US-focused and with data charges being too prohibitive, I'm struggling to make the most of Twitter. I agree with others though, Twitter is only comparable to the Facebook statuses, not the whole Facebook site.</p>

<p>Twitter looks like it could be a great leap in communications but I still see it as being too tech-oriented for now - you still need to go and install apps or integrate it into your Facebook/etc account. Facebook statuses has shown that people are interested in this sort of system (i.e. micro-blogging) once it's integrated into their primary communications system - I'm waiting to see if Twitter can make the same leap. Facebook status are just built into the main Facebook page so you can't help but use it!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-24T05:03:37Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120848</id>
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    <title>Comment from aljuk on 2008-12-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>aljuk</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>I use both daily but I'd have to say that twitter is quite dull and essentially a one trick pony. I can't see it being anything like the global success that facebook's become. It simply doesn't have that level of appeal.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-24T10:50:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120856</id>
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    <title>Comment from praguebob.myopenid.com on 2008-12-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>praguebob.myopenid.com</name>
        <uri>http://twitter.com/praguebob</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://twitter.com/praguebob">
        <![CDATA[<p>Comparing Twitter to Facebook is complete nonsense in the first place. It simply shows that the author is not savvy about the difference between social networks and micro-blogging sites. Facebook can be compared to its competitor MySpace, for instance. Both are social networks. Twitter is a 140 character micro-blogging site, and as such is entirely different from either MySpace or Facebook. It can be compared to say, Plurk. Let's keep these articles on a more professional level, please. At least make comparisons "apples to apples"!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-24T13:26:39Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120883</id>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Bailey on 2008-12-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Bailey</name>
        <uri>http://mobatalk.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://mobatalk.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Reports like these are silly.</p>

<p>1. They assume linear growth.<br />
2. They assume that no new services are going to come along and capture our limited attention spans.<br />
3. They are based on numbers which are fudged from the source. (total accounts mentioned instead of active member counts).<br />
4. They assume that only a few services can "survive".<br />
5. They are based on U.S. markets only.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-24T17:22:28Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120897</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rich on 2008-12-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rich</name>
        <uri>http://publicworkscomics.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://publicworkscomics.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I think that they are two different animals. Facebook is designed to perhaps reconnect with people that you already now...perhaps with people from your high school or something like that. Not a fair comparison.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-24T20:34:05Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120922</id>
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    <title>Comment from oyun on 2008-12-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>oyun</name>
        <uri>http://www.oyuncambazi.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.oyuncambazi.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>ı have followed your writing for a long time.really you have given very successful information.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-25T00:43:53Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120936</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ravi on 2008-12-24</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ravi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Hmm, The elephant is bigger than the mouse. They are similar but have different roles in the ecosystem. Some use the mouse and the elephant in similar ways. The mouse would need to keep growing for many years with the elephant remaining the same to be as big as the elephant. Interesting!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-25T07:10:20Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:120986</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ivan on 2008-12-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ivan</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It is relevant, because they both represent social graphs of some sort.  If facebook were to roll out micro.facebook.com and allow anyone within the facebook system to see it, twitter would be dead in about 1.5 hours.</p>

<p>That's scientific.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-26T17:57:28Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:121036</id>
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    <title>Comment from Maria Lavis on 2008-12-27</title>
    <author>
        <name>Maria Lavis</name>
        <uri>http://blog.marialavis.com/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have a facebook account and a twitter account. I keep them separate. Facebook are people who are already my friends or relatives that I know/have known--a rather private circle. Twitter includes people I'm getting to know or would like to know/hear from--a more public circle. A few people have made it through the filter from my Twitter profile to my Facebook, but it is very much the difference between public life and personal life. </p>

<p>I think Twitter can take off like crazy (and it has in many ways), but there IS a learning curve. It is hard to "get" at first. I had that issue as well. I signed on, thought WTF, and then left it idle for months. It took conversing with some people who did get it, like Tim O'Reilly and Chris Brogan, for me to have an "aha" moment, and now I use twitter more than Facebook, I have more people I follow and am followed by on twitter and I find it incredibly informative and engaging. </p>

<p>Here's a decent how-to for newbies: <br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/26kej6" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/26kej6</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-27T22:46:14Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:121450</id>
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    <title>Comment from Kevin Owyang on 2009-01-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kevin Owyang</name>
        <uri>http://www.youtube.com/user/OperationBallfinder</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Twitter and Facebook aren't the same, particularly from the standpoint of media platforms for marketing and PR.</p>

<p>We're managing a PR campaign called "Operation Ballfinder" that is cross-social-media (i.e. YouTube, Twitter, Wordpress, Facebook, proprietary sites, etc.). Twitter allows us to expand our reach to people who aren't our Facebook friends.</p>

<p>Looking at the 30+ demographic, the awarenesss of Twitter is high, but the use is low.  But since our campaign drives people to monitor us on Twitter, we're seeing people have an "ah-hah" moment about Twitter even though they wouldn't have used Twitter before <br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-01-02T15:51:17Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:123000</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jhangora on 2009-01-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jhangora</name>
        <uri>http://jhangora.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I was unimpressed by Twitter but after a few weeks of using it I realised it has lots of potential as it offers the privacy of (micro) blogging and the engagement of a regular social networking site.</p>

<p>I also find the interface clean unlike Facebook's clutterred one and irritating invites for applications. My gut feeling is that Twitter would come out tops.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-01-15T04:13:58Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.13129-comment:123397</id>
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    <title>Comment from Kara Smith on 2009-01-17</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kara Smith</name>
        <uri>http://blog.karasmamedia.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Twitter and Facebook are two different platforms, with distinctly different purposes for use.  </p>

<p>Facebook is a social media platform. Twitter is a micro-blog ideally designed to attract an audience to other platforms, such as a blog or website.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-01-17T15:45:53Z</published>
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