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    <published>2008-12-01T15:46:20Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-02T14:00:29Z</updated>
    <title>The End of Online Anonymity</title>
    <summary>It seems we&apos;re approaching a new age here on the Internet. Instead being anonymous, faceless IP addresses, social computing and changing technologies have allowed the lines between the &quot;real&quot; world and the &quot;virtual&quot; world to blur. Web 2.0 helped create a world where your identity is revealed in bits and pieces as you share snippets...</summary>
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      <name>Sarah Perez</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/iphone_and_pc.jpg">It seems we're approaching a new age here on the Internet. Instead being anonymous, faceless IP addresses, social computing and changing technologies have allowed the lines between the "real" world and the "virtual" world to blur. Web 2.0 helped create a world where your identity is revealed in bits and pieces as you share snippets of your life online - a photo here, a Stumble there, a tweet, a Digg, etc. However, the rise of social media is only one of the changes that is busy shaping the new web. </p>]]>
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<p>On tomorrow's web, we're no longer going to be anonymous. In fact, one can argue that we're no longer anonymous today, but that's not entirely true. We're still hearing of people hijacking people's names and brands on social networking sites like <a href="http://twitter.com">Twitter</a>, for example, and any MySpace search for a famous celebrity will return hundreds of results purporting to be the "official" page for that person. But those days of "faking it" may be fading fast. </p>

<h2>Being "Fake" Is Now A Crime</h2>

<p>A <a href="http://www.marketingvox.com/watershed-ruling-in-myspace-suicide-case-may-criminalize-fake-net-personas-042175/">precedent-setting case</a>, the Lori Drew MySpace trial, has just come to an end. If you're unfamiliar, this was a case where an overprotective mom established a fake online identity to bully her daughter's rival. The judge's ruling has now criminalized the act of creating a fake persona online. In the case of Drew, most would agree she deserves the punishment she received. However, the aftershocks of the ruling could very well impact the online identity creation process for years to come if it's not overturned.</p>

<p>"If this verdict stands, it means that every site on the internet gets to define the criminal law," stated senior legal policy analyst Andrew Grossman for the Heritage Foundation. "That's a radical change. What used to be small-stakes contracts become high-stakes criminal prohibitions." </p>

<h2>Authenticating The "Real" You</h2>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/f8_image1.jpg" align="right">To address the needs of sites wanting weed out fake personas, users will have to be authenticated in new ways. Here, companies like Facebook, Google, and others are already in position to offer a solution for making sure people are who they say they are. <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_connect_readies.php">Facebook Connect</a>, <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_friend_connect_manages.php">Google Friend Connect</a>, and <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/yahoo_opens_yos_to_developers.php">Yahoo's Open Strategy</a>, have all been busy trying to grab land on the new frontier of identity management. All of them want to be your de facto online identity provider. </p>

<p>No matter who wins, though, it's <em>anonymity</em> that loses. For the sites that move to these types of authentication methods, no longer will their users be able to create disposable usernames and passwords so they can troll around harassing others and leaving juvenile comments. Instead, all participants are themselves online&#160; - and subject to the same standards for behavior that you would expect to see if you encountered them in a real-life public situation. </p>

<h2>The Psychological Impacts Of One Identity </h2>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/selector-example3d.gif" align="left">Even the utopian plans of <a href="http://openid.net/">OpenID</a>, <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/myspace_aims_to_win_developers.php">which MySpace pledged to support</a>, is being embraced by other big names like <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_is_now_an_openid_provider.php">Google</a>, <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/microsoft_windows_live_openid.php">Microsoft</a>, Yahoo, and <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/barack_obamas_changegov_adds_o.php">even President-Elect Obama</a>. With this federated identity, one set of credentials can follow you around the net, providing access to hundreds of sites. Although everyday computer users may not understand the technicalities of OpenID, the psychological impact will become apparent. </p>

<p>To the technically unsophisticated, the concept that you are <em>one</em> set of credentials, <em>one</em> username, <em>one</em> person across numerous sites will start people thinking that their activities can be traced, that they are not as <em>anonymous</em> as before...<strong>regardless as to whether or not that is true</strong>. </p>

<h2>The User Data Overlords</h2>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/security-cameras.jpg" align="right">Finally, there is Google, the company we joke around as being "our new overlords." The reality is that we have, in fact, turned over vast amounts of our personal identity to this company in exchange for free webmail with pretty themes, snappy web browsing experiences, free analytics tools, more. As Allen Stern noted this weekend, "<a href="http://www.centernetworks.com/google-online-privacy">Google Knows Where I Am and Everything I Do</a>." <em>(If you want to jump even deeper down that rabbit hole, take a closer look at </em><a href="http://www.slightlyshadyseo.com/index.php/googles-user-data-empire/"><em>Google's User Data Empire</em></a><em>).&#160; </em></p>

<p>The terrifying vision of our future that Orwell imagined in his masterpiece, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four">1984</a>, has been surpassed by miles. Big Brother staring at us through TV screens is nothing - instead, we've managed to create a world where we blindly, willingly, hand over our data and personal identities to a publicly traded company because they promised us they were trustworthy. And like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine">the Eloi people in H.G. Wells' The Time Machine</a>, everything we need is provided to us - up until the time we become the dinner for the evils that lurk just below the surface. </p>

<h2>Struggling To Adapt</h2>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/facebook_wand.jpg" align="right">In many ways, our society will struggle to adapt to the changes imposed by the lack of anonymity. Those embarrassing Facebook photos you got tagged in this weekend could lose you your job and prevent you from getting a new one. But how can we draw the line between what's public and private when so many of us have already decided that it's socially acceptable to shove cameras and video recorders in people's faces (without asking!) and publish the captured images to the net immediately? </p>

<p>The only way to prevent reputations from being damaged in the process is to always "be on your best behavior" in public. Frankly, that's no fun. No more wild boys nights out? No more getting silly and stupid with your friends? No - not unless you're willing to live with the consequences of having it plastered online in the morning. </p>

<p>When we reach the point where online anonymity has ended, instead of getting to be who we really are, the fact that we've become so aware of the fact that we're always being recorded, photographed, tracked, and traced, will have actually created a slightly altered personality instead. Like reality TV show contestants, the act of being observed will change our behavior. Our personal brand image will become our public identity and therefore our identity. </p>

<h2>Not All Bad, Just Different</h2>

<p>The truth is, giving up our online anonymity may not be all bad - we'll have a convenient, portable friend graph, for example. We can burn our notebook filled with our usernames and passwords. Our search data will be easily accessible from one place. But for the convenience of a simple login, searchable personal data and web history, and social networks filled with friends, we'll have exchanged a bit of who we are in the process. We'll pay for our services on the new internet with our identity and personal information. When the companies we sold ourselves to use it for their own benefits, our outrage will come too late. We'll only have ourselves to blame. </p>

<p><em>Image credit: iPhone with transparent screen, </em><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/16189770@N00/1526393678/"><em>edans</em></a></p>
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    <title>Comment from Online Anonymity Comes Under Fire on 2008-12-01</title>
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        <name>Online Anonymity Comes Under Fire</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Though Verizon recently lost its fight to keep two subscriber's personal information out of the hands of the recording industry, privacy advocates say the real losers are consumers. </p>

<p>Invoking a provision of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the Recording Industry Association of America subpoenaed Verizon to turn over the name of two of its Internet service subscribers, both alleged file-swappers.</p>

<p>Verizon had filed a motion to quash the subpoena, but on Thursday a U.S. District Court ruled that the company must hand over the name of the suspected pirates. </p>

<p>Verizon announced it would ask a U.S. Appeals Court for a stay of the ruling. <br />
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    <published>2008-12-01T16:34:04Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Louise on 2008-12-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Louise</name>
        <uri>http://www.passpack.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>There are ways to somewhat preserve our identities online keep certain things private. <br />
Here is a quick blogpost about the Evolution of Privacy on the Web:</p>

<p><a href="http://bit.ly/fhUK" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/fhUK</a></p>

<p>Louise (Passpack)</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-01T16:54:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from michael reuter on 2008-12-01</title>
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        <name>michael reuter</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
Trank you for that fine summary of the state and future of privacy!<br />
I do not see any problem in being a public person - as long as everybody is affected in the same way<br />
Who will be interested in spying into another's life when being a suitable target at the same time?<br />
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    <published>2008-12-01T17:00:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Trevor Lee on 2008-12-01</title>
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        <name>Trevor Lee</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Michael, with respect I find your viewpoint to be shortsighted. Privacy is something that should be considered to be a quality of life issue. Privacy is a basic human need, and thus is protected under our constitution as it is vital for the effective pursuit of human happiness. One need not look any further than prison to see this demonstrated: Lack of freedom may be the most thought-of punishment in prison but the lack of privacy is also a calculated effect of the penal system.  </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-01T17:13:56Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from JoshMiller on 2008-12-01</title>
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        <name>JoshMiller</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This rings so very true.</p>

<p>I have never been excessively private with my online identity but for years I posted under a nickname as "Ramen Junkie".  In the last year or so I've been pushing and switching over to my real name online as Josh Miller.</p>

<p>I find it tends to add more credibility all around and it helps people offline better associate your online with your offline.  Perhaps part of the trend toward less anonymity i that more and more "non geeks" are getting online and don't get or want the "coolness" of being someone else with a flashy handle.</p>

<p>I still use my old nickname at time but mostly for online gaming where a slightly less serious tone makes things more fun.  Playing team Fortress as "JoshMiller" is actually less credible than playing as "RamenJunkie".</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-01T17:29:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Eric Schwartzman on 2008-12-01</title>
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        <name>Eric Schwartzman</name>
        <uri>http://ontherecordpodcast.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Media business columnist David Carr came to this <a href="http://bit.ly/ug17" rel="nofollow">same conclusion.</a>  Which hammers home the point he made in May, that "content's claim on the crown is being challenged by the interface that controls the user experience."  Get it right, and people will relinquish droves of personal information in exchange for easy to master utilities.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-01T17:31:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dan on 2008-12-01</title>
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        <name>Dan</name>
        <uri>http://wegowego.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>"instead of getting to be who we really are, the fact that we've become so aware of the fact that we're always being recorded, photographed, tracked, and traced, will have actually created a slightly altered personality instead."</p>

<p>Is it possible that the concept of our public persona, our 'best behaviour' will become a little more forgiving? When we understand that we all get a bit silly from time to time, that we all star in funny or embarrassing photos from time to time, that everyone's been drunk or stoned at least once, that we've all unwillingly been part of a slapstick farce, will our standards change? </p>

<p>Will someone really lose their job if it becomes public knowledge that they've had a wild night here or there? I guess it depends on the job. Maybe you don't want those kinds of jobs anyway...</p>

<p>Maybe this transparency will just make us all a little more human to each other when the illusion of our prim-and-proper 'best foot forward' is backed up with some real-life dirt. </p>

<p>What does "who we really are" mean, anyway? Am I being "who I really am" when I rent a tuxedo for a wedding? Isn't that a fake persona, since I don't wear a tux every day? Aren't I just as much "who I really am" when I'm polished and professional at work as "who I really am" when I'm lounging around at home in my undies?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-01T17:56:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Kristen Nicole on 2008-12-01</title>
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        <name>Kristen Nicole</name>
        <uri>http://kristenicole2.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/social-media-colonialis/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>good article</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-01T18:23:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Logical Extremes ICUPP on 2008-12-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Logical Extremes ICUPP</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Trevor is absolutely correct. Privacy rights are essential, even if some people may choose not to exercise them.</p>

<p>Keep in mind that most of these services were developed primarily to further commercial purposes, not necessarily to make individuals' lives better. Many users may accept the trade-offs in using cross-site identity services (or may not be savvy enough to make a properly informed decision), but it is clearly a choice whether to use them or not.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-01T18:25:15Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Wes on 2008-12-01</title>
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        <name>Wes</name>
        <uri>http://www.friendfeed.com/digitalshaman</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Actually, the article missed a key point - there is no definition for "privacy". We have defined "piracy" at the expense of a public commons fairly consistently in favor of copyright holders, for instance. Namely, protection is provided for limited times over intangibles such as music or writings. The challenge, especially with such law as The Patriot Act (gotta love the messaging) - is to start the dialog on how to define privacy beyond "the right to be left alone". IMHO, the MySpace case will suffer a backlash which may include higher liabilities on providers who have been successful in limiting "liability". The Tanenbaum case comes to mind in contrast with the Verizon cite above. As with the current crisis in confidence in markets - we lack serious accounting (let alone accountability) when it comes to defining how, who & when there is appropriate attribution ... Privacy? Last I checked a Social Security number is cheaper on the black market than a WoW ID ... A Magna Carta for an information society?   </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-01T19:12:07Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from rick on 2008-12-01</title>
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        <name>rick</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Sarah, </p>

<p>minor point, but the Lori Drew case doesn't set any precedent  unless it's appealed to the federal level. As it is, the case only sets legal precedent in that jurisdiction. Of course, if you mean precendent in thought vs in law... </p>

<p>Also, anonymity does not equal privacy. We're often not anonymous in the non-digital world, but that doesn't mean we lack privacy. For example, I know WHO you are and a few things about you from RWW, Twitter, etc. But 1) you've chosen to share those things and 2) your privacy in many other areas is still intact. However, I agree with your points about Google, et al. We're giving them vast amount of personal information implicitly and many people don't realize that. </p>

<p>Finally, anonymity isn't an unalloyed good. I'm thinking of the Kathy Sierra case of a couple of years ago where people hid behind handles and said some very vicious, even threatening, things.  </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-01T20:23:23Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ilan Leibovich on 2008-12-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ilan Leibovich</name>
        <uri>http://www.6rounds.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed reading this. Thank you. </p>

<p>Up until recently, people used usernames in their social profiles, avatars in their pictures and privacy was a really big issue. I'm sure facebook had a lot to do with this change, forcing people to register with their real names and canceling accounts that seemed to be using fake names, but flickr, twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube and many other services also contributed a lot to this trend - making the web a lot more real and closer to the offline world we're living in. </p>

<p>I believe that this phenomenon won't stop here and we'll see more and more of this in different websites and applications, trying to bridge the online and the offline world with real, live communications. It's not that 3D worlds and fake personas will disappear altogether, but as the younger generation is getting used to everything being public, they'll maybe even feel better in their own skin without the need for masks and publicize themselves even more. </p>

<p>If Web2.0 was all about social, I think Web3.0 will be all about real. </p>

<p>When discussing this, I always remember a scene and a sentence from the Sneakers film that captures exactly this atmosphere and maybe the Internet as a whole. The sentence is - "No More Secrets" and although everyone need their secrets, maybe it's a good thing after all. <br />
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    </content>
    <published>2008-12-01T22:26:52Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118578</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_end_of_online_anonymity.php#c118578" />
    <title>Comment from Barack Obama on 2008-12-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Barack Obama</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<blockquote>The judge's ruling has now criminalized the act of creating a fake persona online.</blockquote>

<p>The actual crime charged was "unlawful access" based on violation of MySpaces Terms of Service.  If MySpaces' TOS had  not had the "truthful and accurate" clause, there would have been no crime.</p>

<p>So to say this ruling criminalized the act of creating a fake persona online is, at best, rank sensationalism.</p>

<p>Are you saying I just broke the law with the handle I just used to submit this comment?</p>

<p>Also, there's a big difference between the concepts of public anonymity and unauthenticated access and use.</p>

<p>It's very possible to require authentication of actual identity while still providing for public anonymity through screen names and handles.</p>

<p>Both types of privacy are important (being private to other users and being private to the provider too), but it's important to distinguish between types of privacy and anonymity.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-01T22:36:26Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118580</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_end_of_online_anonymity.php#c118580" />
    <title>Comment from Els on 2008-12-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Els</name>
        <uri>http://blog.locusmeus.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blog.locusmeus.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>So, how about all those parents (like myself), who tell their kids to never ever ever! use their real name or details online? If "use your real name online" would become an international law, should we keep our kids offline, or let them be criminals, or let them become easy targets? I don't think there's anything wrong with online personas - what's wrong, is the bad behaviour of some people, regardless of whether they are using their real name or an alias.</p>

<p>Oh, and to keep with the spirit of the season: how many Santas would be exposed if they weren't allowed to call themselves 'Santa' online? ;-)</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-01T22:55:46Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118586</id>
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    <title>Comment from Kaliya Hamlin on 2008-12-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kaliya Hamlin</name>
        <uri>http://www.identitywoman.net</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.identitywoman.net">
        <![CDATA[<p>Privacy is an essential right. No matter how much we share online we can always keep elements of our private lives NOT online.  You wrote your article with out reference to Solove's work that is incredibly clear looking into the future of privacy in the digital age.  <br />
Books:<br />
* Understanding Privacy<br />
* The Future of Reputation <br />
* The Digital Person</p>

<p>Papers:<br />
* A model regime of Privacy<br />
* A Taxonomy of Privacy.</p>

<p>Your post also highlights the importance of supporting greater interaction between the techies building identity technologist and the legal community (academics, policy makers, AG's, practicing attorneys and privacy officers in companies) coming together to talk about how the two interact. </p>

<p>We are working on supporting such gatherings happening in the Winter Spring - <a href="http://wiki.idcommons.net/ID-Legal" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.idcommons.net/ID-Legal</a> </p>

<p>The vision of much of the folks in the identity community - those building the next generation of open standards for identity on the web is to support multiple and separate persona's for people. (rather then the 100+ logins people have today on sites) getting this down to some reasonably managed number say under 10.</p>

<p>YES the technologies should be there to support us managing different persona's aspects of ourselves in different contexts and if it doesn't do this I don't imagine it will get adoption by regular people. </p>

<p>The Burton Group has proposed a new concept The Limited Liability Persona (http://identityblog.burtongroup.com/bgidps/2006/11/the_limited_lia.html) that could address the legal kinds of issue brought up by the Lori Drew case and the Kathy Sierra incident. </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-02T01:32:31Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118591</id>
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    <title>Comment from venkat on 2008-12-01</title>
    <author>
        <name>venkat</name>
        <uri>http://computersservicing.blogspot.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://computersservicing.blogspot.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>By using Google Ids and Blogger Ids we are giving our identification to web who we are as for anonymous he just don't want to be identified by web.Anonymous not help recognizing for his efforts to help people offline and online using Google and other Ids people recognize who are helping them.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-02T05:22:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118600</id>
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    <title>Comment from Engago Team on 2008-12-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Engago Team</name>
        <uri>http://www.leadsexplorer.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.leadsexplorer.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>The problem is how to issue the identity credentials online? What proof can a person bring for identification in order to get his first credentials?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-02T09:19:53Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118608</id>
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    <title>Comment from Lloyd Greenwald on 2008-12-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Lloyd Greenwald</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Good article and comments.  A related blog post about voluntarily relinquishing privacy is at <a href="http://lgreenwa.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://lgreenwa.blogspot.com</a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-02T10:59:15Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118613</id>
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    <title>Comment from JoshMiller on 2008-12-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>JoshMiller</name>
        <uri>http://www.joshmiller.net</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.joshmiller.net">
        <![CDATA[<p>Something else to consider.  Generally unless you are "The super 733+ h@x0rz", it's easy to trace and track who people are online anyway.  Especially for the hosting company/service.</p>

<p>For example, back in the usenet days it was easy to find out which group regular was trying to pose as a fake troll by looking at the message header.</p>

<p>There is also IP addresses.  I think that case recently where the kid hacked Palin's email involved an "anonymous proxy" provider who immediately gave up the kids' IP address when questioned.</p>

<p>The point is that depending on who you're trying to be private from, privacy is an illusion online.</p>

<p>yeah, I could post an inflammatory comment on this blog post under a fake name and no one would know but if the need came up ReadWriteWeb could find out who I am very easily.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-02T12:54:47Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118624</id>
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    <title>Comment from Matt Rasmussen on 2008-12-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Matt Rasmussen</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Privacy is important to users of most sites because not every blog comment, forum posting, etc. needs to be identified for the others using that system.  I don't need to know who "hungryharry" is when he posts a product review on a website.  However, site owners and service providers should be able to identify "hungryharry" if he is threatening someone or otherwise breaking the law.  Getting the point across that the site owner knows who you are would cut down most of the bad behavior online.</p>

<p>Forcing everyone to openly identify themselves is a catch 22 when it comes to children or other potential victims online.  That just makes predators lives easier.  I'd force my kids to drop MySpace if they had to use personal identification.</p>

<p>How would real identification would work any better since there are other people with the same name all over?  I mean, how do you know if this post was written by the Matt Rasmussen in CT, UT, VT?  I've got an uncommon name so now ask all the David Smiths of the world raise their hand...</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-02T14:25:28Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118628</id>
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    <title>Comment from sam lessin on 2008-12-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>sam lessin</name>
        <uri>http://drop.io/swl</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://drop.io/swl">
        <![CDATA[<p>Good article, and great comments -- great point that 'privacy' is a term that actually lacks consistent definition, agree that anonymity has real value, and agree that the evolution of the web might threaten privacy and anonymity </p>

<p>that said... don't think that the evolution of the web will necessarily end privacy, I think that is one possible outcome...  I write about this frequently, but the best summation is on my blog:</p>

<p><a href="http://drop.io/swl/asset/systems-and-costs-of-privacy" rel="nofollow">http://drop.io/swl/asset/systems-and-costs-of-privacy</a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-02T15:05:10Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118645</id>
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    <title>Comment from Pierre M on 2008-12-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Pierre M</name>
        <uri>http://blogginginthecloud.wordpress.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://blogginginthecloud.wordpress.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>I agree with #7 Ted. I don't think the long term solution is to "create a slightly altered personality" of ourselves on the net. Every persons, including (and to my opinion especially) healthy ones, gets silly once in a while. Society needs to recognize that and be more "forgiving".</p>

<p>Personally, as an employer, I much rather hire somebody with a good and fun social life. I believe this is healthy and healthier people make better employee. So seeing a prospect candidate on flick drunk with friends in some silly situation is not necessarily a bad thing for him. But more generally, I really don't care.</p>

<p>I think society is changing. The reason more and more peoples don't feel shy to put seemingly embarrassing stuff on the net may be because, more and more, the rest of us simply don't care.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-02T16:28:26Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118667</id>
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    <title>Comment from Yihong Ding on 2008-12-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Yihong Ding</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/yihongding</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/yihongding">
        <![CDATA[<p>Sarah, thank you for sharing with us. I completely agree to you. Online anonymity is passing. As I have argued in my model of Web evolution, the growth of the virtual individuals is an inevitable trend into the future of World Wide Web. I am glad to see more and more evidence to this claim.</p>

<p>Yihong</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-02T18:16:46Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118687</id>
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    <title>Comment from Armen Berjikly on 2008-12-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Armen Berjikly</name>
        <uri>http://www.experienceproject.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.experienceproject.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Great article. </p>

<p>I have to agree with handle BarackObama above. At Experience Project, privacy in the public domain of the site (e.g., anything that can be found on a Google search) is a keystone unlocking massive benefit. If you force people to use their "real" information publicly, you also force most of them to self-market, and you lose the opportunity to connect strangers on things that may matter to them most-- many of which would never be appropriate to share next to a picture of their smiling face, their educational and occupational history, and all the friends they've ever had. </p>

<p>I know the focus in the comments thus far has been around the infamous 'drunk photo' coming back to haunt you, but there are more grave concerns of depriving someone of anonymity. For example, no matter how much one might think society is becoming comfortable with sharing personal details online-- and it is true that they are-- very few people with multiple sclerosis or a miscarriage or an STD are going to go post on WebMD with their real name lest their employer, health care provider, or family and friends find out. Most of those fears are unfounded, but the permanent memory of the internet coupled with the damage gossip can do make this a very serious concern that can't simply be waved away without damaging the opportunity of going online, particularly for support. </p>

<p>In short, responsible site operators need to convey to their users, embedded in the very culture of the site, that just because they are using a handle doesn't mean they are unaccountable for their actions. Tools mentioned ad nauseum above ensure that someone can indeed be held responsible if they break the law, and the site must provided quick and decisive action if someone abuses the privilege of posting behind a handle. This means not only site administrators, but also empowering the community itself to remove inappropriate content. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-02T22:25:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118705</id>
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    <title>Comment from Joe Bachana on 2008-12-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Joe Bachana</name>
        <uri>http://www.databasepublish.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.databasepublish.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>This is a brilliant, eye-opening, and terrifying look at where things are headed. As a parent of young children, my mind always goes to their safety and the predators lurking on street corners AND on the Web. The more our personal information is readily available (or MADE readily available for a fee or a 'barter' by these organizations that have conflicted business models to protect us yet also make money trading our information to other businesses), the greater the risk that those predators can gain access - and possibly misuse trusted information -- to our kids.</p>

<p>It may be argued from your article above that those very same people will be further exposed in the 'brave new world.' However my sense is they are cunning types that would modify their behavior online to eclipse their sick intentions.</p>

<p>I blogged about Web SSO the other day and it may be useful to post the link here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6nfkjk" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6nfkjk</a></p>

<p><br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-03T03:40:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118739</id>
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    <title>Comment from zz_armadillo on 2008-12-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>zz_armadillo</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>I must say the Eloi like attitude mentioned in the article is scary: where is the response to this silly and dangerous ruling? </p>

<p>Its not just about privacy either. The criminal law is for people who break the law - the real law, the one everyone agreed to. Not some contract between two parties. </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-03T09:35:58Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118771</id>
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    <title>Comment from TC on 2008-12-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>TC</name>
        <uri>http://thewritegardener.blogspot.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://thewritegardener.blogspot.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>I thought this was a well written article, regardless of the absence of a couple prepositions: "of" in the second sentence, first paragraph, and "to" in the first sentence of the fifth paragraph.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-03T16:05:29Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118796</id>
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    <title>Comment from Max Cuervo on 2008-12-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Max Cuervo</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Not all is lost, the new IPV8 will be needed by next year, and can be read with IPV6 but the inverse is not yet possible.<br />
max</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-03T19:13:56Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118808</id>
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    <title>Comment from sam on 2008-12-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>sam</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>is very good </p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-03T21:23:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118809</id>
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    <title>Comment from sam on 2008-12-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>sam</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>is very good article thank from france</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-03T21:25:14Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118820</id>
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    <title>Comment from thatguy on 2008-12-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>thatguy</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>anonymous internet is not going anywhere.  you are delusional.  everything is a cat and mouse game with laws online.  haven't you heard of a proxy?  and the internet goes far beyond the borders of the USA.  A ridiculous law being passed in the USA due to HARASSMENT online isn't going to take away all anonymity for everyone.</p>

<p>real internet geeks have dozens of "nicknames" and some create a new one on every site they post.  i remain anonymous just to keep my name detached from google searches and because my interests are nobody's business but my own.  I have nothing to hide, I'm just a private person; both online and in the real world.  yet i still sometimes use my real name online as well.</p>

<p>you aren't required to show ID to every person on the street that asks.  and there's not a law that makes it a requirement to have ID on you at all times (when not driving).  "papers please."  I can walk around peacefully where ever I want with nothing on me at all and not say a word to anyone.  I can also keep the shades on my house shut 24/7 while remaining a law-abiding productive member of society.</p>

<p>the act of remaining anonymous is not going anywhere.  I consider it a human right.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-03T22:49:38Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118831</id>
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    <title>Comment from Justin Threlkeld on 2008-12-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Justin Threlkeld</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/justint</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/justint">
        <![CDATA[<p>Very interesting stuff. I hadn't thought about it before, but this kinda ties into a piece I've been working on about ethics in social networking and marketing.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-04T00:43:02Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118833</id>
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    <title>Comment from Logical Extremes ICUPP on 2008-12-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Logical Extremes ICUPP</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/logicalextremes</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/logicalextremes">
        <![CDATA[<p>Did everyone read to the end of the article?... "But for the convenience of a simple login, searchable personal data and web history, and social networks filled with friends, we'll have exchanged a bit of who we are in the process. We'll pay for our services on the new internet with our identity and personal information. When the companies we sold ourselves to use it for their own benefits, our outrage will come too late. We'll only have ourselves to blame." I don't think the point is that this is all good.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-04T00:48:28Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118859</id>
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    <title>Comment from Jeffrey Henderson on 2008-12-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jeffrey Henderson</name>
        <uri>http://www.adeptmarketingconcepts.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.adeptmarketingconcepts.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Uuummmmm, if the company you work for is so petty that they will fire you over a picture on Facebook than you were already working at the wrong company.</p>

<p>If people stop working at companies that want to judge you not on your level of performance but rather what you do for shits and giggles in your free time than those types of invasive polices will cease to exist with the companies that have no employees.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-04T07:50:03Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:118938</id>
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    <title>Comment from Chris Miller on 2008-12-04</title>
    <author>
        <name>Chris Miller</name>
        <uri>http://TheSocialNetworker.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://TheSocialNetworker.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Great piece.<br />
@34 - i think the picture above relates to the story of the guy that said he was going to a family emergency and this shot turns up that night of him out of town at a party instead.</p>

<p>But the privacy concerns are reaching an uphill point right now.  There is a site dedicated to some of the security areas<br />
<a href="http://SocialStalking.com" rel="nofollow">http://SocialStalking.com</a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-04T20:42:27Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:119140</id>
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    <title>Comment from Lexington on 2008-12-06</title>
    <author>
        <name>Lexington</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Interesting that most of the negative consequences that people fear come not from government agencies, but employers and (in America) health insurance companies. It seems that the Great Revealing is also shining a spotlight on where, exactly, the most insidious forms of oppressive anti-social behavior are coming from. </p>

<p>There's no question that these organizations are exerting influence well beyond anything people consider reasonable or welcome levels of engagement. Quite the contrary, these organizations are perceived as threatening, coercive, and unrestrained in their desire to use what they regard as weakness against individuals, and to treat people's basic dignity and freedom as inconsequential economic externalities. </p>

<p>Needless to say, this outlook is not limited to online conduct. The same employer who would fire you for going to a party in drag is just as likely to be petty, dictatorial, and ultimately disloyal in the rest of their transactions with employees. And it's no secret that health insurance companies will look for excuses not to pay claims in the exact life and death situations that people have paid premiums to guard against. </p>

<p>What I find interesting is the way that large numbers of people putting personal details online can actually create a serious challenge to the underlying anti-social patterns into which these types of organizations have fallen. It's only a matter of time before the most abusive agents are identified, along with the previously hidden cost that attended whatever transactions they were party to. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-06T19:00:42Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:119183</id>
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    <title>Comment from tor on 2008-12-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>tor</name>
        <uri>https://www.torproject.org</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="https://www.torproject.org">
        <![CDATA[<p>Online anonymity is not ending.  This ruling, if it sets precedent, will only turn normal website users into criminals.  Many people get online and use their real identity.  Many people have no idea of the risks of doing so.  I'll willfully violate a Terms of Service to protect myself.  In most modern countries, police respond after the incident has occurred.  I'll tell you from experience, restraining orders won't stop anyone.  It's a piece of paper.  </p>

<p>If you think you're anonymous because you didn't use your real name, you're fooling yourself.  Your IP Address, who you "friend", what you say, how you say it, what photos you upload, etc can all be used to determine who your fake name really is.  Subpoena's are cheap and easy.  Your ISP will sell your traffic, your info, and your usage patterns for shockingly little money.  </p>

<p>There is a large list of reasons to truly hide your identity.  Simple reasons like domestic/child abuse survivors, thinking wildly different than your community, defeating state/business censorship, and avoiding stalkers (especially if you're a female).  I don't divulge who am I at all.  I don't want to put me or my family at that kind of risk.  </p>

<p>The people of the Tor Project will ensure online anonymity continues to exist.  </p>

<p>If you've ever lived in a small town, where everyone knows everyone else, you know how oppressive that environment really is. </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-07T17:59:00Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:119365</id>
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    <title>Comment from anonymity is important on 2008-12-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>anonymity is important</name>
        <uri>http://www.cloakfish.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.cloakfish.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>This court ruling is plain stupid !<br />
How often did I enter wrong details about my person, mainly to avoid spam (postal or email). This is the reason why so many people love the cyberspace, they can be another person !</p>

<p>To protest about this I bought myself a Cloakfish high anonymity account (that's just a few dollar per month) and will be anonymous when I want to be anonymous :)</p>

<p>I suggest everyone to do the same, become truly anonymous !<br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-09T16:34:39Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:119504</id>
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    <title>Comment from Tom on 2008-12-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>Tom</name>
        <uri>http://www.uptowar.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.uptowar.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>While anonymity can be important there are borders which are often crossed on the World Wide Web. Being an owner of online web communities myself, I can see the negative sides of people entering false details, too.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-10T17:00:50Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:119671</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ian D. Nock on 2008-12-11</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ian D. Nock</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/nocky100</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://friendfeed.com/nocky100">
        <![CDATA[<p>Anonymity never even started on the Internet, it was an illusion caused by the obscuration of the outside world behind the monitor screen.</p>

<p>What is very much alive is the concept of cloaking and alternative identities - aliases in fact, the amount of which very much depends on what your aims are. What is however important is that you cannot pretend to be someone else - you can only have an additional identity - it is still you.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-11T19:55:44Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:119717</id>
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    <title>Comment from Tim Brauhn on 2008-12-11</title>
    <author>
        <name>Tim Brauhn</name>
        <uri>http://inthehandofdante.blogspot.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://inthehandofdante.blogspot.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>These are all great comments here. Very cool article. </p>

<p>I decided a little while ago to do what I can to make sure that what little privacy I have left is completely in my control. There are ways to protect one's privacy, of course. But is it possible that if we all become "un-privacized," we'll simply be in a different paradigm with new and interesting expectations of privacy? The strange will become the new.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2008-12-12T03:51:26Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:119748</id>
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    <title>Comment from simondelliott on 2008-12-12</title>
    <author>
        <name>simondelliott</name>
        <uri>http://www.simondelliott.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.simondelliott.com">
        <![CDATA[<p><br />
My thoughts are this …<br />
<p><br />
I think this raises a bigger question,  does human kind have a right to anonymity? and if so, is the behaviour of the judiciary, the bureaucracy and commercial organizations in exploiting new technology to find out even more about us infringing on that right?<br />
</p><br />
<p><br />
The secret ballet is an essential balance in the mechanism of democracy, and as such there is at least one piece of anonymity that a judiciary must protect. However society must be protected. Some might say that anonymity is a privilege rather than a right and that it is the individuals responsibility to guard their own anonymity. If the individual chooses to engage in a criminal activity such as grooming then they relinquish their rights.<br />
</p><br />
<p><br />
My fear is that state will be slow in its response to technical innovation, there is no point shutting the stable door once the horse has bolted.<br />
</p><br />
<p><br />
Ive also made this post on my glog <a href="http://www.simondelliott.com/blog/2008/12/is-it-the-end-of-internet-anonymity/" rel="nofollow">here</a><br />
</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-12T09:56:07Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2008://1.12762-comment:120427</id>
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    <title>Comment from Susie on 2008-12-19</title>
    <author>
        <name>Susie</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>The way I understand it, it has always been a misdemeanor to lie about your age, name, etc. on a myspace profile because it violates the terms of service every person agrees to when they create an account.  If it can be proven that the deception was done with "malicious intent" it become a felony. This is what happened in Lori Drew's case.  Two points, first, it is nearly impossible to regulate deception on myspace profiles, the chances of someone getting in trouble for it are very, very low. Second, the jury did not find her guilty of the felony, they felt they couldn't say for certain that malicious intent was present. So even if they did somehow start regulating everyone's myspace profiles, in most cases you would be charged with a misdemeanor and given probation and a fine, which to me is a price I will gladly pay to remain anonymous online. <br />
Peace  </p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-19T20:10:20Z</published>
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