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    <published>2009-02-26T19:20:30Z</published>
    <updated>2009-02-26T19:27:14Z</updated>
    <title>eBay: Good in Parts</title>
    <summary>At the Accel Symposium, we heard John Donahoe, eBay CEO, admit that there was little synergy between core eBay, PayPal, and Skype. He lauded PayPal, showed some false modesty around Skype, and talked about core eBay in a way that indicated a clear understanding of its limitations and challenges. If that sounds a tad negative,...</summary>
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      <name>Bernard Lunn</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/ebay-logo.jpg" width="124" height="54" />At the <a href="http://www.accel.com/symposium/">Accel Symposium</a>, we heard John Donahoe, eBay CEO, admit that there was little synergy between core eBay, PayPal, and Skype. He lauded PayPal, showed some false modesty around Skype, and talked about core eBay in a way that indicated a clear understanding of its limitations and challenges. If that sounds a tad negative, that was not what I took away. What I did take away was that eBay is a great collection of parts, a <em>really</em> great collection of parts, that would be more valuable as independent entities.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>Core eBay in a Fix</h2>

<p>John Donahoe made the very reasonable point that online e-commerce will look like offline commerce: fragmented. Consumers will buy from eBay, Amazon, Walmart.com, Zappos, whatever gets their attention and has the right product at the right price. That rings of common sense.</p>

<p>To illustrate this fragmentation, he told us that the mighty Walmart has only 4% of the market.</p>

<p>For a more extensive discussion of the problems facing eBay's core service, read this very well-reasoned (but long) <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/122138-suggestions-for-ebay-2-0">post on SeekingAlpha</a>.</p>

<p>When queried on these issues, Donahoe simply indicated that the problems did not originate on his watch, that he was aware of them, and that they were complex to solve. That does not seem enough. The bits of insight above may be great, but eBay needs to fix its core service to regain its stature as a leader and give investors a good return. You don't transform a company without fixing the core, and investors clearly feel that eBay needs transforming; that is the message behind a stock price that <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=1y&s=EBAY&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=goog+amzn&c=^IXIC">in the last 12 months trails the NASDAQ and peers like Google and Amazon</a>. eBay is actually in the rather miserable club with Yahoo, <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=1y&s=EBAY&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=yhoo">as perceived by investors</a>.</p>

<h2>PayPal: Jewel in the Crown?</h2>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/paypal-logo.jpg" align="right" width="116" height="37" />Donahoe contrasted the fragmented e-commerce business with the highly consolidated payments business. Clearly, the latter has greater appeal. One can see why. The payments business is global and dominated by a few players: Visa, MasterCard, and Amex. As the low-cost player best suited to the web, PayPal has enormous potential.</p>

<p>I'm pretty sure I even heard Donahoe say, "PayPal should be bigger than eBay." As he spoke about the global payments system, one could see why.</p>

<p>He described the national banking regulatory challenges, a major barrier to entry. Taking money online is the easy bit, he said. Moving that money in and out of the traditional banking system is hard, because the banking system has to adhere to a maze of local regulations. Donahoe told us that eBay works on penetrating something like 5 to 15 new countries each year. Some, like Japan, remain a challenge.</p>

<p>This is clearly a huge opportunity, but these local regulations are a big barrier to entry. Anyone who has done a lot of international business can attest to how archaic some of the processes are. Wiring money is bad enough, but the processes around letters of credit seem positively arcane, almost 19th-century.</p>

<h2>Oh, and a $500 million High-Growth Skype Business</h2>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/imgSkype.jpg" align="left" width="150" height="78" />Skype is the eBay business I am most familiar with as a user. We use it all the time here at ReadWriteWeb. It is a core tool for running a small business in which colleagues, clients, audience, partners, and everybody else in the community are all over the world. For entirely selfish reasons, I evangelize Skype to everybody. Now, I want Skype on my cell phone to cut my mobile bills; it is definitely ready for prime-time.</p>

<p>And yes, Skype is a real business. Donahoe told us that Skype generated $500 million in revenue last year, with "high-teen margins" and growth rates of 30% to 40%. Saying "That's not a bad business" got a wry laugh from the audience (all of whom would consider it a totally amazing business). In any other market, that would be a red-hot IPO.</p>

<p>Skype is perfectly positioned for a long recession, too. That already shows in the numbers. In the last quarter, Donahoe told us that Skype-to-Skype grew 73% and Skype Out grew 63%. I can personally attest to seeing many smart people, who had not used Skype previously, see it and say, "OMG, it's amazing."</p>

<p>$500 million was only 6% of eBay's total $8.5 billion revenue in 2008. But with Skype growing at 30% to 40% and eBay's core service hurt by a slow-down in consumer spending, this percentage could change significantly in 2009.</p>

<p>How much could eBay get for Skype, a business that already has scale, good revenue growth, decent margins, and a model and technology that are disrupting the massive telecom market globally? It is not entirely outrageous to think that Skype could become the biggest telecom company in the world at some not-too-distant point in the future. At some point, the IPO market will come back. All of eBay (including PayPal and Skype) is currently valued by the market at $15 billion. How much would the market value of Skype as an independent entity be? More than 6% of $15 billion? I think so.</p>

<p>eBay spinning off Skype was one of the <a href="http://twitter.com/bernardlunn/status/1093729542">three web-tech market events that I wished for</a> (not predicted) for 2009. It looks possible. Methinks it is simply a matter of timing and market conditions.</p>

<h2>The VC Portfolio</h2>

<p>As well as being a collection of great but unrelated businesses, a kind of online conglomerate, eBay also looks like a VC with a strange but interesting mix of minority stakes. The most interesting and oft-discussed is its 28% stake in Craigslist. It is clearly <a href="http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/05/13/craigslist-files-countersuit-against-ebay/">not a happy relationship</a>. But that 28% must be worth something.</p>

<h2>The Economic Question</h2>

<p>The underlying question for everybody at the Accel Symposium was, "What about the effect of the economy on your business?" Donahoe pointed out that they saw the downturn in their PayPal and eBay lines as early as May. Signals from millions of small buyers and sellers are far more reliable than any GDP numbers. So they were able to take corrective action early.</p>

<p>eBay's biggest action was to offer coupons to buyers, to help sellers. As he pointed out, small sellers have weak balance sheets, so a downturn can make them vanish quickly. eBay moved quickly to support its sellers.</p>

<p>Asked if eBay was recession-proof, Donahoe pointed to Skype as being perfectly positioned, but he noted that if consumer spending slows, then even e-commerce is affected. And e-commerce <em>is</em> down.</p>

<h2>Time to Fix E-Commerce While it's Down</h2>

<p>eBay needs to have a compelling core proposition for e-commerce that unites auction, fixed price, and classified ads. Donahoe pointed out that search is the obvious unifier. But it is not clear how eBay can use this to its advantage.</p>

<p>E-commerce still makes up only 7% of retail. Given the amount of time we spend online and the obvious opportunities, this could grow to 15% to 20%. A big prize awaits here when the economy turns around. eBay has the financial strength to build through the downturn.</p>

<p>Donahoe also painted a vision of mobile e-commerce. It is one that others have painted before: you go into a real-world retail store; see an item you like; scan the barcode to get the price; find a better price online; then decide whether to buy it in the store or online, depending on whether you prefer convenience or lower price.</p>

<p>As he pointed out, this could encounter a bit of resistance. I can envision videos popping up on YouTube of irate shopkeepers throwing out barcode-swiping bargain hunters! Physical retailers will have to adapt, but online folks such as eBay will have to be sensitive to their needs. This will be interesting to watch.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Patricia013 on 2009-02-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Donahoe is on the wrong track.  For the past year he has treated small sellers like dirt and continues to do so.  The site is hemmoraghing sellers!  Best match is a dirty joke being pulled on sellers.  Even the inventor of best match claimed he did not intend for it to be used this way.  Unless Donahoe starts to consider small sellers he will be left holding the bag.  Buyers have proved over and over again that they mostly shop Ebay for the unique, rare and vintage items they cannot find anywhere else.  Retail....dropshipped junk from China?  You're joking Mr. Doanhoe....if we want retail we'll go to Amazon or Walmart, etc. places where it is done correctly!  Simply making yourself look like Amazon isn't going to do it.  Everyone hates cheap imitations!  I expect to see a couple more disasterous quarters before Mr. Donahoe and his disruptive innovation are shown the door!  If not, Ebay will dwindle to a small insignificant company and eventually be scooped up by Microsoft or Google.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-26T20:47:36Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Debudebu on 2009-02-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
 As a long time powerseller on Ebay I have to agree with Patricia013's comment. Ebay, why are you trying to be Amazon ?  Best match is a joke, DSR's are a joke, and the new feedback system is poorly thought out. You need to focus on what made you different and make it safer for buyers without adding unnecessary features and more bureaucracy.</p>

<p>Sure, it's a buyers market on Ebay right now, but SELLERS pay their bills. Time will tell what comes of that.<br />
I've adapted and am doing fine, but honestly can't be bothered to list much on there anymore, there are just too many hoops too jump through.</p>

<p>Donahue seems to have about as good a grasp on what's good for Ebay as G.W. Bush did for the USA.  </p>

<p> twitter.com/debudebu</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-26T22:51:07Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Adsense on 2009-02-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Retail....dropshipped junk from China? You're joking Mr. Doanhoe....if we want retail we'll go to Amazon or Walmart, etc. places where it is done correctly! Simply making yourself look like Amazon isn't going to do it. Everyone hates cheap imitations! I expect to see a couple more disasterous quarters before Mr. Donahoe and his disruptive innovation are shown the door! If not, Ebay will dwindle to a small insignificant company and eventually be scooped up by Microsoft or Google.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-26T23:03:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Goodmars on 2009-02-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>ebay should drop everything and make skype even more kick ass<br />
<a href="http://tr.im/gOUl" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/gOUl</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-27T01:55:36Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dan on 2009-02-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>But where would sellers go?  Ebay has all the buyer traffic.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-27T07:09:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from DJ on 2009-02-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>PayPal and eBay gel well but Skype and eBay is a loose fit. I had this opinion the day Skype got acquired and I would continue to maintain it.</p>

<p><br />
I am full-on Skype subscriber and I must say its value is diluted by eBay. It would be good for both eBay and Skype if they are independent.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-27T20:34:05Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from honesty4U on 2009-02-27</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Due to Meg Whitman and John Donahoe's "Disruptive Innovation" of ebay the site is full of scammers, both sellers and buyers.  If you're honest, it's no longer the place for you.</p>

<p>With ebay's current policies and direction, there will be no need to concern yourselves with what portion of ebay Inc. should be kept and what should be sold.  At Donahoe's hands, it will all be worthless shortly:</p>

<p>Nasdaq, 2/27/09</p>

<p>ebay Inc. DOWN, 10.87, -0.58 (-5.07%) </p>

<p></p>

<p>"But where would sellers go"? </p>

<p>This site has a list of many GREAT ebay alternatives:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.everyplaceisell.com/cgi-bin/ep/ep.pl?sites" rel="nofollow">http://www.everyplaceisell.com/cgi-bin/ep/ep.pl?sites</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-28T01:02:13Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mark Javelin on 2009-02-28</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bernard, good article although its just the tip of the iceberg.  for those that love eBay i've been using <a href="http://www.getitnext.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.getitnext.com</a> to search for ebay deals.  its actually easier to use than ebay itself.   </p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-28T14:10:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mark Javelin on 2009-02-28</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Bernard, good article although its just the tip of the iceberg.  for those that love eBay i've been using <a href="http://www.getitnext.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.getitnext.com</a> to search for ebay deals.  its actually easier to use than ebay itself.   </p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-28T14:10:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Chris on 2009-04-05</title>
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        <name>Chris</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It would seem that Donahoe fails to appreciate the potential of Skype. It's an amazing brand in need of some commercial focus. It's got the potential to be the biggest and most profitable of all telephone services, but the company is so slow at capitalizing on it's natural advantages.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-04-05T22:57:44Z</published>
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