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    <published>2009-02-11T21:43:27Z</published>
    <updated>2009-02-12T03:10:29Z</updated>
    <title>Photos From Facebook HQ: Free Love, Free Jerky &amp; Freedom for User Data</title>
    <summary>After a period of dramatic tension, social networking giant Facebook has joined forces with the OpenID community working for a distributed system of standards-based, non-proprietary user identity. It&apos;s a move we think bodes well for the web and yesterday the first big collaborative event was held since the union was announced. Facebook hosted an OpenID...</summary>
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      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/imgOpenIDOAuth.gif">After a <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_connect_vs_open_id.php">period of dramatic tension</a>, social networking giant Facebook has joined forces with the OpenID community working for a distributed system of standards-based, non-proprietary user identity.  It's a move we think <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/why_facebook_openid_good.php">bodes well for the web</a> and yesterday the first big collaborative event was held since the union was announced.  Facebook hosted an <em>OpenID User Experience Summit</em> at its headquarters in downtown Palo Alto.</p>

<p>Much like <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_facebook_myspace_activitystreams.php">last month's summit on Activity Stream standards</a>, we believe that yesterday's meeting was of historic proportion.  </p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>The social web is maturing right in front of our eyes.  Whether it's activity data or social profile payloads, standardized systems of data portability point towards an era of innovation that will scale to make what we've seen to date seem tiny and pathetically slow.  So who was at the meeting yesterday and what did they talk about?  Read on for some big photos and short captions describing some of the presentations.</p>

<p>A big thanks to Plaxo's <a href="http://therealmccrea.com">John McCrea</a> for taking the photos below, giving them with a permissive <a href="http://creativecommons.org">Creative Commons</a> license and for <a href="http://therealmccrea.com/2009/02/10/live-blogging-the-openid-design-summit/">live blogging the meeting so extensively</a>.  All the photos below are his, with the exception of the photo of McCrea himself, which was taken by <a href="http://willnorris.com/">Will Norris</a>.  McCrea has covered the meeting in far more detail than we have - we just thought the event was striking enough that we wanted to post some pictures and make brief introductions to a handful of the players present.  These are some of the folks most instrumental in building the web of the future, right now.</p>

<p><img alt="openiduxellin.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/openiduxellin.jpg" width="610" height="460" ><br />
Brian Ellin, of <a href="http://janrain.com">JanRain</a>, went through the history of OpenID user interfaces.  He shared some of the things people currently type into the OpenID field of existing interfaces, like "elderly," "I HATE YOU LADY GAGA," "Hotmail," and their email addresses.</p>

<p><img alt="openiduxmessina.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/openiduxmessina.jpg" width="610" height="457"><br />
<a href="http://vidoop.com">Vidoop's</a> Chris Messina discussed the differences between identification, as in for blog comments, and authentication, as a method of gaining verified access to user data.  That's something that people are increasingly looking to <a href="http://oauth.net">OAuth</a> to accomplish, or an OAuth/OpenID hybrid.</p>

<p><img alt="openiduxmedeiros.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/openiduxmedeiros.jpg" ><br />
Google's <a href="http://brenodemedeiros.com">Breno de Medeiros</a> said there needs to be a neutral 3rd party method of figuring out <em>who users' identity providers are</em> without asking them explicitly, something like how the DNS system works.</p>

<p><img alt="openiduxengle.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/openiduxengle.jpg" width="610" height="455" ><br />
MySpace's Max Engel, the <a href="http://twitter.com/8bitkid">8bitkid</a>, says that MySpace users were generally comfortable with sharing data between AOL and MySpace but showed some confusion about which direction the data was flowing.  He also said that "<a href="http://oauth.net">OAuth</a> is the condom of the Open Web," and noted that "Facebook has free beef jerky!" </p>

<p><img alt="openiduxmysterwoman.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/openiduxmysterwoman.jpg" width="609" height="457"><br />
Facebook front end designer <a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=206186">Julie Zhuo</a> said she believes that 3rd party authentication implementations should keep the first screen really simple and delay things like extended permissions to later flows, in context.</p>

<p><img alt="openiduxmccrea.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/openiduxmccrea.jpg" width="610" height="650" ><br />
Plaxo's <a href="http://therealmccrea.com">John McCrea</a> spells out what it's all about - free love between social networks.  <strike>He</strike>His co-worker Joseph Smarr also presented the most impressive data of the day, <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/comcast_property_sees_92_success_rate_openid.php">a 92% success rate in user completion of Plaxo's new OpenID login process</a>.  That process packed more into a short space than Zhuo seemed to argue was ideal, but in this case it worked.  Does Plaxo's new solution put too much emphasis on established big players like Google?  It might, but it might very well be able to use some kind of neutral 3rd party cookie sniffing method like the Google team brought up yesterday to solve that problem.</p>

<p>There are lots of questions unanswered but things are progressing quickly.  We expect the web to be a very different, and hopefully more exciting, place in the next few years.  The people above are some of those we'll have to thank if these dreams for the future come true.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from ahockley.myvidoop.com on 2009-02-11</title>
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        <name>ahockley.myvidoop.com</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Facebook?  Freedom for user data?  Excellent.  How do I export all of mine?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-11T22:17:59Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.13795-comment:126251</id>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall Kirkpatrick on 2009-02-11</title>
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        <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Aaron, well and simply said.  But it's a complicated situation... :)  really, I do think meetings like this offer reason to hope.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-11T23:50:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from bkkissel.myopenid.com on 2009-02-11</title>
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        <name>bkkissel.myopenid.com</name>
        <uri>http://rpxnow.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>And already there are OpenID Foundation wiki posts on best practices for OPs and RPs based on yesterday's sessions: </p>

<p><a href="http://wiki.openid.net/Details-of-UX-Best-Practices-for-OPs" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.openid.net/Details-of-UX-Best-Practices-for-OPs</a><br />
<a href="http://wiki.openid.net/Details-of-UX-Best-Practices-for-RPs" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.openid.net/Details-of-UX-Best-Practices-for-RPs</a> </p>

<p>Thanks Dirk Balfanz and Breno de Medeiros, looking forward to feedback from others.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-12T00:53:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from John McCrea on 2009-02-11</title>
    <author>
        <name>John McCrea</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the excellent post and the kind words about me. One (small) correction: The great Plaxo/Google experiment results were delivered not by me, but by my colleague at Plaxo, Joseph.</p>

<p>But thanks again, I find this an inspirational time, with it's closest analogy to what I had the privilege to participate in 15 years ago: the birth of the web itself.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-12T01:44:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from khurt.myopenid.com on 2009-02-12</title>
    <author>
        <name>khurt.myopenid.com</name>
        <uri>http://islandinthenet.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I look forward to the data when my data and login identity are one and the same.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-12T19:03:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from kevin on 2009-02-12</title>
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        <name>kevin</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Google's Breno de Medeiros comparison to a DNS system is brilliant.  A non-intrusive 3rd-party method such as this would promote a truly seamless data portability experience.  I just hope that this is is a genuine sentiment at Google headquarters.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-12T20:02:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ian Hendry on 2009-02-13</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ian Hendry</name>
        <uri>http://www.wecando.biz</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Interesting to hear what Google's Breno de Medeiros presented on.  But why have a DNS type lookup service to see which identity provider people use?  I'd rather see a trusted independent third party, as Breno is suggesting the lookup service should be, actually PROVIDING the identities and holding social graph data which is then "leased" to sites you wish to use social elements of.</p>

<p>Ian Hendry<br />
CEO, WeCanDo.BIZ<br />
<a href="http://www.wecando.biz" rel="nofollow">http://www.wecando.biz</a><br />
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    <published>2009-02-13T08:49:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from söve on 2009-02-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the excellent post and the kind words about me.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-27T07:27:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from dış cephe on 2009-08-05</title>
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        <name>dış cephe</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Great post.Thanks.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-08-05T14:26:59Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from bodrum otel tatil on 2009-09-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the excellent post and the kind words about me.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-09-26T19:05:08Z</published>
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