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    <published>2009-05-15T18:48:15Z</published>
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    <title>Is Facebook Working on a Recommendation Technology?</title>
    <summary>Given how much user activity goes on every day on Facebook, the company has to be working on some kinds of recommendation technologies. Charming invisible robots that say, &quot;If you like this, then you&apos;ll like that.&quot; Full-time Facebook watcher Nick O&apos;Neil thought he spotted one in the wild this morning, but his readers make a...</summary>
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      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
      <uri>http://www.readwriteweb.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/facebook_logo_mar09.png">Given how much user activity goes on every day on <a href="http://facebook.com">Facebook</a>, the company <em>has to be</em> working on some kinds of recommendation technologies.   Charming invisible robots that say, "If you like this, then you'll like that." Full-time Facebook watcher Nick O'Neil thought <a href="http://www.allfacebook.com/2009/05/facebook-working-on-similar-feed-stories-feature/">he spotted one in the wild this morning</a>, but his readers make a convincing case that he was wrong this time.</p>

<p>The feature O'Neil wrote about appears to be nothing more than the latest <a href="http://friendfeed.com">FriendFeed</a> rip-off: truncating repetitive activities.  (Ex-Googler Paul Buchheit's FriendFeed is like a Facebook R&D lab without stock options.) Whether Facebook is doing more than that publicly or not, you know they have to be working on recommendation behind closed doors.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<p>O'Neill's <a href="http://allfacebook.com">AllFacebook blog</a> is a great place to get the scoop on what's happening on the social network. Here's an image he posted this morning, from a reader named Luka Kladeric.</p>

<center><img alt="facebooksimilar.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/facebooksimilar.jpg" width="508" height="236" ></center>

<p>O'Neill wondered whether this feature might give the user an option to view other items from the same or other users that Facebook deemed similar to the original post.  I say I'm drinking coffee and Facebook shows me a movie, a picture and another message about coffee from one of my friends this morning.  That would be pretty awesome for us as users and it would increase ad impressions for Facebook.  </p>

<p>More likely is the explanation offered by AllFacebook readers, that this new feature is just a way to scrunch up items that are basically the same so users can't spam their friends' newsfeeds and so that newsfeeds are more pleasing to scan down.  In other words, in the image above, the two-headed person on top probably posted about "besplatno-ing" like four times in a row.  Facebook decided to show just one of those messages and add a link to view the rest.</p>

<p>That's how FriendFeed does it and it works really well.  This seems like a plausible explanation of this screenshot, but it's also a real lost opportunity.  Facebook's corny "your friend is a fan of this advertiser's stuff" may be more creepy than compelling - but automated recommendations of all types of items could be great.  </p>

<p>We're big fans of recommendation technologies here at ReadWriteWeb, from relatively simple "people who like X also like Y" to more complicated algorithms.  The systems are fun to learn about, but the fact of the matter is that recommendation doesn't have to be hard.  The hard part is amassing enough data and interested people to be able to make recommendations.  Facebook has plenty of data and people, though its labyrinth of privacy restrictions might complicate things a little. </p>

<p>So if this isn't it, and we suspect it is not, we sure do hope that Facebook will soon surface the recommendation technology we assume they are working on behind the scenes.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Falafulu Fisi on 2009-05-15</title>
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        <name>Falafulu Fisi</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Recommendation is not Nuclear Physics or Quantum Mechanics, ie, it is not particularly difficult for anyone to develop. There are tons of computing peer review literatures already available in the public domain with various algorithms being published on recommender systems. There are even special editions of these publications that have already been available that dedicated to recommendation papers only. I don't particularly see why oh why this multimillion dollar funding of Facebook that they can't even hire a team of PhD dudes from Mathematics, Statistics, Physics or Computational Intelligence (mathematical oriented computing) to do R&D and develop something original or just scour the literatures to look for solutions. Perhaps those multi-million dollars are going to hire more HTML/PHP cut & paste coders.</p>

<p>If Facebook has to be up there with the big boys, this is what they should be doing, hire a platoon of PhDs to do R&D, this is why biggies like Google, Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Sun are very successful in innovations because they do have a platoon/army of PhDs that do nothing all day, except researching (either original or finding solutions existing problems from the knowledge already available in the literatures).</p>

<p>Facebook might already have a few PhDs I suppose, but having one, 2 or 3 PhDs is not enough. It doesn't mean that you have a PhD then   all of a sudden you know everything in computing, no, that's not the case. Just the same as any discipline. It doesn't mean that when someone become a qualified physician , it automatically means that he knows everything clinical.</p>

<p>One just have to check out Microsoft Research, where they made most of their research papers (in various computing topics) available in different literatures. This is a sign of a company (Microsoft, Google, et al), that targets to be there in the long run (not overnight but years to come) lead by innovation.</p>

<p>If Facebook talks like a grown up boy, then it should act like once. Stop being a follower by implementing of what others are doing, just show leadership in innovation and hire a bloody army of PhDs to do R&D and progress innovation. In 2004, MIT Technology Review named Microsoft Research Asia <i>the hottest computer lab in the world</i> as described <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Research_Asia" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Now, that's what you call innovations. </p>

<p>Finally, I know that RWW is a fan of Twitter, where things like real-time search is often promoted as the next generation of search. Twitter is not doing realtime search. This is why Google, Microsoft & others haven't got into it, since it is almost impossible technologically at this stage. A search engine needs to do high intensive crunching every time a new document appears on the internet and these docs appear every few milliseconds or so. This process is impossible at this time. What Twitter is fact doing is just straight forward search of the raw data that is indexed, which appeared realtime, but suffer massively in its precision & recall capability (ie, it throws up a whole lot of irrelevancy). Search is about precision/recall   and speed and it is funny that some uninformed internet commentators have said that Twitter is upto something that Google & Microsoft are still behind. The army of PhDs at Google and Microsoft have already know the problems to doing realtime search and there is no doubt that they have been researching on how to overcome those, but to say that Twitter which is a bunch of  HTML cut& paste coders have developed something that the army of PhDs at Google & Microsoft have missed is an insult to the intelligence of people who know how search engine works. Again, to say that Facebook has developed some features that researchers at Google & Microsoft have missed is also an insult.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-05-15T21:06:13Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Marshall Kirkpatrick on 2009-05-15</title>
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        <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Falafulu, you always leave the best comments!  Thanks!  I can't tell if you're arguing with anything I've said in this long comment, but I sure enjoyed reading it.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-05-15T21:10:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jose on 2009-05-15</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Falafulu. I find this situation convenient to analize by using the disruptive innovation framework. The race for search supremacy has been clearly won by Google. Real-time search is just an extension of that capability. Innovation junkies call this "sustaining innovation" which is basically an incremental improvement in a given innovation (in this case, the innovation subject is Search Technology)</p>

<p>The only way Twitter could beat Google would be by developing a radically different search technology (a disruptive innovation). However, Twitter's search technology seems to have much of it's foundations in the work done by Google (at least I can infer this from Falafulu's comments).  </p>

<p>So, I guess we ca't expect a Twitter Search to make a breakthrough, at least not soon.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-05-16T00:41:22Z</published>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I agree with Marshall that Falafulu makes some of the best comments!!</p>

<p>Where can I follow your comments ? any backtype ? friendfeed ?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-05-16T04:03:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from James: Lowes Home Improvement on 2009-05-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>James: Lowes Home Improvement</name>
        <uri>http://www.lowes-home-improvement.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
I was on Yahoo and found your blog. Read a few of your other posts. Good work. I am looking forward to reading more from you in the future.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-05-16T04:40:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jim Brochowski on 2009-05-16</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jim Brochowski</name>
        <uri>http://thelifeofjimmer.blogspot.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The highlighted feature is nothing more than a revised version of "Live Feed," available in the previous version of Facebook, and missed by many users.</p>

<p>The rest is paralysis by analysis. </p>]]>
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    <published>2009-05-16T17:56:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jeff on 2009-05-16</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jeff</name>
        <uri>http://www.CitySpeek.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>They better be working on a recommendation engine, its the holy grail.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-05-16T19:15:42Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Anthony Cohen on 2009-05-16</title>
    <author>
        <name>Anthony Cohen</name>
        <uri>http://www.mygeni.org</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Relevance Cooperation Engines are the way forward we are simply to busy to take time of non engaging and relevant content.<br />
Check out Mygeni still in its prototype stage and accepting limited new users if you are interested in recomendation technologies.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-05-16T19:17:07Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Rathan Haran on 2009-05-17</title>
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        <name>Rathan Haran</name>
        <uri>http://www.webinometry.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Recommendation frameworks that are used in the web are pretty good, but can definitely go a lot further (a problem that my company is working on).  Here is where I see the current modeling framework used on the web:</p>

<p>Factor-based:  This is the Pandora model.  Review elements on a set of factors, and use a distance formula to see how close the elements are to each other.  The big issues here are you hope you've isolated all the factors that matter, and it's damn expensive to do this (hiring a lot of experts to review songs).  I wonder how much of the rating has been automated by Pandora.</p>

<p>Similarity Scores:  User-User or Item-Item, the Amazon, Netflix model.  The user-user approach really only works well is if the correlations are high, something that is very unlikely due to people's varied interests (big problem with Digg's implementation).  Item-Item seems to work a bit better, and the logic seems to make intuitive sense.</p>

<p>None of these models really deal with how people's interests change at any given moment.  When I talk about this with people, they always say "Oh, so you are looking at what people list as interests and matching them to other people."  That would be great if people updated their interests as they changed moment to moment.  Who does that?  I bet your Activities and Interest on Facebook are from when you first opened your account, how often do people really update them?  A great recommendation model will understand this!</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-05-17T17:48:28Z</published>
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