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  <updated>2009-11-23T00:24:39Z</updated>
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    <published>2009-06-15T15:21:31Z</published>
    <updated>2009-06-15T17:56:56Z</updated>
    <title>Secondbrain Starts Over, Goes Back to Basics</title>
    <summary>It&apos;s not often you hear an application&apos;s creators describe their service as &quot;an unmanageable complexity&quot; that &quot;compromised the user experience,&quot; but that&apos;s exactly what those behind the content aggregation system Secondbrain are admitting right now. Their service, a bookmarking/social-media sharing/lifestreaming/social network kind of tool was hard to describe and even harder to use. But now,...</summary>
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      <name>Sarah Perez</name>
      <uri>http://www.sarahintampa.com</uri>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/secondbrain.gif">It's not often you hear an application's creators describe their service as "an unmanageable complexity" that "compromised the user experience," but that's exactly what those behind the content aggregation system <a href="http://secondbrain.com/">Secondbrain</a> are <a href="http://blog.secondbrain.com/whatsnew/#1">admitting</a> right now. Their service, a bookmarking/social-media sharing/lifestreaming/social network kind of tool was hard to describe and even harder to use. </p>

<p>But now, that's all changing...or so they say. The company has basically scrapped their original concept in a revamp that's more of a "makeunder" than it is a "makeover." The new <a href="http://secondbrain.com/">Secondbrain</a> focuses on making bookmarking simpler while ditching most of the service's other features. </p>]]>
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<p>Some of the best web applications on the internet are those that don't try to do it all, but do one thing very well. That's the type of service that <a href="http://secondbrain.com/">Secondbrain</a> is trying to become with their new, simplified online bookmarking tool. This major update launched late last month and is now being publicly promoted to their user base via an email newsletter.</p>

<h2>What's Gone from Secondbrain</h2>

<p>Regular Secondbrain users will have to deal with the most dramatic fallout from this switch, starting with the fact that some of their content has gone missing. Imported content like pictures, videos, bookmarks, etc. from other social media services no longer exists in the new Secondbrain. Only content imported manually or with the Secondbrain <a href="http://secondbrain.com/tools">bookmarklet</a> remains. </p>

<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/secondbrain_collection.png" align="right">The new Secondbrain also no longer does social media synchronization or importing of Delicious bookmarks. These are temporary limitations as the company decides on how to reintroduce these features in a more user-friendly way. For now, Delicious bookmarks can only be imported manually by browsing for and selecting your exported bookmark file generated by Delicious for import into the service. </p>

<p>Also gone is the lifestreaming-like feature which let you follow other users and all the content they were sharing. Perhaps realizing that sites like <a href="http://facebook.com">Facebook</a> and <a href="http://friendfeed.com">FriendFeed</a> dominate in this area, Secondbrain has decided to switch this option off, now allowing you to follow specific <em>collections </em>only. These collections are sets of aggregated content (blog posts, photos, videos) on a particular subject. Here are <a href="http://secondbrain.com/collections">some popular collections</a> to give you an idea. All content added to Secondbrain has to go into a collection now, but it no longer has to be tagged - that has become an optional feature.</p>

<p>If you choose to use this part of the service, <a href="http://secondbrain.com/">Secondbrain</a> almost becomes an alternative RSS reader of sorts, pulling in filtered lists of "best of" content on topics you care about. Even better, you can just grab the RSS feeds for the collections themselves (a feature added last week) and pull them into your preferred feed reader instead.</p>

<h2>Is It Worth Revisiting?</h2>

<p>Overall, the new service may appeal to those who are still actively using social bookmarking and unlike similar sites like <a href="http://delicious.com/">Delicious</a> or <a href="http://www.diigo.com">Diigo</a>, you don't follow <em>people</em>, you follow specific sets of content people create. (Diigo's "groups" feature would be the best comparison). </p>

<p>Still, the bigger question about the new <a href="http://secondbrain.com/">Secondbrain</a> isn't whether or not the new simplified service will appeal, but whether or not social bookmarking is even all that hot of a service anymore. It almost seems as if social bookmarking was just a pre-cursor to the social media sharing types of services we use today, like <a href="http://twitter.com">Twitter</a> or <a href="http://facebook.com">Facebook</a>. Because, really, if you want to <em>casually</em> share a link with your friends, what services do you turn to these days? </p>

<p>Social bookmarking still makes sense in some cases - like organizing research, sharing all the links discussed in a podcast, or compiling topic-based resource guides. In those niches, <a href="http://secondbrain.com/">Secondbrain</a> could still have a shot at staying afloat, but their real shot at glory may have already come and gone. </p>]]>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15383-comment:142539</id>
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    <title>Comment from Donovan on 2009-06-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Donovan</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'd have to disagree with you on the last statement "Is it worth revisiting" reason being Sarah, I for one use delicious often for managing my bookmarks in ways you can't with services like twitter or facebook.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-06-15T16:20:03Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15383-comment:142566</id>
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    <title>Comment from robert bale on 2009-06-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>robert bale</name>
        <uri>http://friendfeed.com/robertbale</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I agree with this article's conclusions. It was hard for me to actually use second|brain before, but this version seems to have changed the concept too much for me to want another bookmarking site. </p>

<p>I'm curious why they decided against tweaking more of the UX prior to revamping the whole vision.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-06-15T18:30:28Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Lars G. Teigen on 2009-06-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Lars G. Teigen</name>
        <uri>http://secondbrain.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the review Sarah and your readers' comments.</p>

<p>This was not an easy decision for us, but a necessary move in order to get to a point where we can focus on sustainable growth and expanding the service. The complexities in the old version were beyond simple UX tweaking.</p>

<p>Basically our product model needed to be radically simplified and refocused in order for us to be able to move ahead.</p>

<p>The vision is still valid and we have lots of stuff left in the roadmap to execute on, but everything we launch from now on will be built from a much more solid core - great content organized in collections. </p>

<p>We plan to focus on use cases that are more friendly to people who see value in building collections of content in a collaborative environment. We have a few collaboration options available - you may allow other people to add content to your collections. We believe there is lots of potential in this area and we consider this our niche.</p>

<p>With regards to the migration of content, we have migrated all content that people have imported from social media services *and* added to a collection manually in Secondbrain (and several other manual actions. Please see <a href="http://blog.secondbrain.com/whatsnew/#3" rel="nofollow">http://blog.secondbrain.com/whatsnew/#3</a> for details) to make it fit the new product model.</p>

<p>In the coming months we plan to introduce several improvements to complete the makeover. We'll expand the service further in line with our name and vision and with laser sharp focus on the use cases that make Secondbrain simple and useful.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-06-15T21:38:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ravikant Cherukuri on 2009-06-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ravikant Cherukuri</name>
        <uri>http://cherukuri.wordpress.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Looks similar to what other social bookmarking sites do. But I am sure there are many more innovations that to happen for us to move out of the web 2.0 era. So, good luck Lars maybe you guys will be the ones to lead the way. This space is kind of getting boring and needs innovation.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-06-15T23:39:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Phil on 2009-06-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Phil</name>
        <uri>http://www.pamil-visions.net/internet-wolves/22045/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Another great analysis Sarah. SB, as you know, had some early developmental problems, and sort of got behind the 8 ball with regard to timing. </p>

<p>Lars has done a superb job given all the constraints and the pressure of competition etc. SB in a simplified or narrow form, is a great tool. We used to envision these things as all in one destination, but for me at least, I think I was wrong to ever suggest this. Wow, that was hard to do. </p>

<p>Any way, we at Pamil Visions wish Lars and SB the best in this new direction. I think with the right support Lars can actually make just about anything, knowing what I know of him and his team. Interesting to come back and comment on startups one covered what seems like a million years ago. </p>

<p>Thanks for the update and insight. </p>

<p>Always, <br />
Phil</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-06-16T06:43:59Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from دردشه on 2009-07-03</title>
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        <uri>http://www..t7b.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update and insight</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-03T13:36:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from sukabumi on 2009-08-23</title>
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        <name>sukabumi</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Any way, we at Pamil Visions wish Lars and SB the best in this new direction. I think with the right support Lars can actually make just about anything, knowing what I know of him and his team.nice share, great article, very usefull for us...thank you<br />
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    <published>2009-08-24T04:19:09Z</published>
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    <published>2009-09-02T05:33:04Z</published>
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