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    <title>Social Media in Germany: 5 Years Behind - Still Lots to Learn</title>
    <summary>A few days ago, we got a chance to talk about the state of blogging and social media in Germany with Marcel Weiß, the editor of Netzwertig.com - one of Germany&apos;s most popular blogs. In the interview, Weiß told us that Germany is at least five years behind the U.S. when it comes to social...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img alt="german_flag_logo_jul09.jpg" src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/german_flag_logo_jul09.jpg"  />A few days ago, we got a chance to talk about the state of blogging and social media in Germany with <a href="http://netzwertig.com/author/mweiss/">Marcel Weiß</a>, the editor of <a href="http://netzwertig.com">Netzwertig.com</a> - one of Germany's<a href="http://www.deutscheblogcharts.de/archiv/2009-27.html"> most popular blogs</a>. In the interview, <a href="http://twitter.com/marcelweiss">Weiß </a>told us that Germany is at least five years behind the U.S. when it comes to social media and its adoption by a larger part of society. Blogs are still considered to be suspect by a large part of the German public and have very little influence, and social news sites and aggregators attract very little attention. With regards to Germany's Internet startup scene, Weiß argues that, with very few exceptions, most companies are also years behind the U.S. and just aren't innovative enough to compete.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<h2>Blogging in Germany: Five Years Behind</h2>

<p>Weiß argues that blogging and social media adoption in Germany is far behind similar trends in the U.S. and elsewhere in the world. Blogs are still considered suspect and have almost no influence over local or national politics. The mainstream media still likes to describe the Internet as a dangerous place, full of malware, porn, and scammers. While regular newspapers in Germany have also started to feel the pressure from the Internet (and every major German paper has a web site), the absence of a successful Craigslist-type site in the country has given the newspapers a longer lease on life than in America.</p>

<p>Unlike the U.S., no political blog has the influence of American sites like DailyKos or Talking Points Memo, though a recent (and misguided) move by German politicians to censor the Internet in Germany in order to <a href="http://netzpolitik.org/2009/the-dawning-of-internet-censorship-in-germany/">combat child pornography</a> led over 130,000 German Internet users to sign a <a href="https://epetitionen.bundestag.de/index.php?action=petition;sa=details;petition=3860">petition</a> against this plan and galvanized the German Internet community in an unprecedented way. It remains to be seen, though, if this sudden rise in Internet activism in Germany will have legs, or if it will just fizzle out quickly. </p>

<p>While political blogs in the U.S. also got a push during the Bush years when mainstream media outlets were generally seen as too close to the administration, German news outlets did not suffer from a similar pushback and most Germans still generally trust the mainstream media's reporting and equate blogging with excessive over-sharers who write Internet diaries about their German Shepherds.</p>

<p>In a post that created quite a stir in the German blogosphere (with a focus on blogging about economics), <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/04/19/10-reasons-for-the-lack-of-german-econobloggers/">Felix Salmon argued</a> that Germany's culture was basically the antithesis of what blogging is all about. If this is true, then maybe there is really little hope for blogging in Germany in the near future, but at the same time, there are also a number of news blogs that are doing quite well (Netzwertig is one of them), and there are a lot of passionate German bloggers who are trying to change the current negative perception of blogs. </p>

<h2>The Absence of Social News</h2>

<p>Unlike in the U.S., the German blogosphere also doesn't have large social news sites like Digg or Reddit to bring readers to blogs. With <a href="http://yigg.de">Yigg.de</a> Germany has its own Digg clone, but it's not only hampered by a rather unpleasant design, but even the top stories there hardly get more than 20 votes. In addition, a headline on Yigg or similar services like <a href="http://webnews.de">Webnews.de</a> barely drives any traffic to a site.</p>

<p>With regards, to blog monetization, things obviously also look equally bleak. Weiß told us that most companies still don't quite get that they could find a very targeted audience on blogs - but of course, the fact that blogs are still struggling to find a large enough readership doesn't exactly help matters here.</p>

<h2>Startups</h2>

<p>To some degree, the same is also true for the <a href="http://www.deutsche-startups.de/">German startup scene</a>, where, as Weiß argued, too many companies simply try to copy popular concepts that were developed elsewhere. The prime example for this is obviously <a href="http://studivz.de">StudiVZ</a>, a blatant Facebook clone. Yet, while StudiVZ was able to quickly grow in Germany while Facebook was still ignoring most of the market outside of America, development of the site has now mostly come to a standstill and while Facebook is turning itself into a platform, the team behind StudiVZ has no interest in making any platform play whatsoever. Indeed, as Weiß told us, very few German startups are actually interested in the platform business and providing APIs for developers is still seen as unnecessary.</p>

<p>That doesn't mean that there aren't some interesting and <a href="http://netzwertig.com/2009/01/06/die-9-besten-neuen-startups-aus-dem-deutschen-sprachraum-2008/">successful German startups</a>, of course. <a href="http://corporate.xing.com/?L=1">Xing</a> is a good example for a service that gets things right, and <a href="http://soundcloud.com/">SoundCloud</a>, a very cool music service based in Berlin is another one (though the founders are actually from Sweden). It's important to note, though, that Germany never really had much of a startup scene and that there are a lot of cultural and bureaucratic barriers that would hold even some of the most determined founders from starting their own businesses. </p>

<h2>Outlook: Bleak - But With a Silver Lining</h2>

<p>There are multiple reasons why blogging in Germany just isn't taking off, but there is a chance that things might turn around this year. The upcoming election in Germany, for example, will give political blogs a chance to shine, especially if they manage to capitalize on the current discussion around Internet censorship. And while Twitter isn't quite a mainstream phenomenon yet, the discussion around its use in Iran during the current controversy around the elections there, also brought Twitter into the<a href="http://www.popkulturjunkie.de/wp/?p=4414"> spotlight</a> in Germany.</p>

<p>A number of Germany newspapers have also started to run blogs on their own sites, and with <a href="http://rivva.de">Rivva.de</a>, the German blogosphere also has a very interesting meme-tracker that looks and feels similar to Techmeme and Memeorandum, and which provides a central focal point for the German blogosphere.</p>

<p>Of course, in a piece like this, we can only touch upon a small number of examples and have to rely on some sweeping generalizations. Feel free to take issue with our (and Marcel's) assessment of the German Internet scene and leave a comment.</p>

<p><em>CC-Licensed image used courtesy of Flickr user </em><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/willpalmer/378563092/"><em>Will Palmer</em></a><em>.</em></p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Relawan Solusi Bersama on 2011-02-21</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I’m blogger from Indonesia, how i can get member for contribute in here?<br />this my site <a href="http://healthylifeandfitness.com" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://healthylifeandfitness.c..." rel="nofollow">http://healthylifeandfitness.c...</a></a>/ please email me as soon.<br /><br />Thank you</p>]]>
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    <published>2011-02-21T08:02:16Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from the_element on 2010-12-31</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Danke für diese  Beiträge. Sie sind sehr interessant für mich.</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-12-31T18:58:20Z</published>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Vielen Dank für diesen Beitrag. Er ist sehr interessant für mich</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-12-31T18:55:24Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from J. Ray Sparks on 2010-12-11</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Sounds accurate and probably still 5 years behind.  Totally amazing that VZ was able to rack up 16 million users.  But Facebook overtook them in June of 2010, despite having introduced the Open Social API platform in January.  As of August they had yet to implement key features for successful apps such as news feed reporting.<br /><br />I&#39;d like to hear elaboration about the "cultural and bureaucratic" barriers you mention in this article.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Dieter P. on 2010-09-28</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks, this is a good site!</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-09-28T21:34:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Notebookfreak on 2010-09-22</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Dieser Beitrag gefällt mir sehr.Ich habe schon lange danach gesucht.Vielen Dank dafür<br />
Gruß Notebookfreake</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Sean Moffitt on 2010-04-04</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Looking for the best examples of German companies embracing and tapping business value though customer collaboration/engagement via social media/web 2.0/community  for our new book "Wikibrands". </p>

<p>Thoughts? Gedanken?</p>

<p>@seanmoffitt</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Lydia on 2010-02-10</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>How do you find people from germany?</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-02-10T23:23:33Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from WOLF on 2009-10-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Social Media? You must be kidding me. It's about time to look right through the so called social media for what it is, at least most of the time. Superficial bla bla. Do you guys ever think about what happened to newspapers in the US? It takes about 180professional  journalists to cover a city like Baltimore, MD - but the newspapers and proper coverage is gone. Instead social media has taken over and utter chaos and nonsense finds it's way into the heads and minds of our youth. On the contrary conventional media in Germany is doing relatively well and the adoption rate of so-called social media is much slower and less consistent compared to the US for a REASON. I for myself appreciate professional journalists, something social media can't and won't accomplish in it's current form. Behind? Because not everyone is jumping on the idiotic band wagon as much as here in the US? You guys must be kidding - but then again, probably not, which tells you everything about it as well...</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-10-26T23:43:56Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mike Banks on 2009-07-28</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Co-incidental to this, I noticed a spike in demand for Blogging Heroes in Germany.  Right after Deutsche Welle did a report on politicians getting involved in blogging as they campaign for the upcoming German elections.</p>

<p>Here's a link to the report (video in English):<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phQMF4ZuaJQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phQMF4ZuaJQ</a></p>

<p>--Mike<br />
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    <published>2009-07-28T22:16:45Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Altendorf on 2009-07-26</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi Frederic!<br />
This article was read by several German Web 2.0 guys and we had several dicussions on these topic. Also friends wrote own comments on this in their blogs:</p>

<p><a href="http://davaidavai.com/2009/07/25/germany-why-we-struggle-with-2-0/" rel="nofollow">http://davaidavai.com/2009/07/25/germany-why-we-struggle-with-2-0/</a></p>

<p> </p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from George Acogny on 2009-07-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
I' m ein Brunnen hing athletischen zuckerkranken Mann und ich mag meine Eselsbacken für ein hartes Bumsen verbreiten. </p>

<p>Lecken Sie meine Kugeln und I' ll ließ Sie Faust mich bumsen. I' d-Liebe, zum Ihr mit von irgendeinem heißem jungem Rugrats Ass. zu trinken. Meine Fische Elizabeth lassen mich nicht diesen Backdoor bumsen, also benötige ich etwas Tätigkeit, in der ich es erhalten kann. </p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-24T01:58:28Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Felix on 2009-07-11</title>
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        <name>Felix</name>
        <uri>http://www.conceptbakery.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Germany is definetly still BIG TIME behind the US when it comes to online, social media/web & co. But 5 years is a long loooooong time. So this is way too much. This would be like we are still digital cave men;) And that's defintely not the way it is. </p>

<p>I think that in the last years the gap between digital communication in the us and in germany/europe has been reduced a lot already. Compared to 5 or 10 years back we are moving much faster.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-11T08:50:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Yetused on 2009-07-10</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@19, Kris: "The German spoken so-called Web 2.0 is infested with SEOs, make-money-fast-scammers, wannabe-experts and social media spammers. No sane person want to be part of this scene and nobody needs to since most Germans have fairly good English language skills."</p>

<p>Full ACK.</p>

<p>We don't need high-end social communities and start-ups in Germany, as we have all the U.S communities and blogs.</p>

<p>I'd say 70% of the services I use/ blogs I read/ news sites I vist are American. Why use yigg.de when I have digg.com? Why read self-absorbed marketing and SEO blogs, when I can read yours? :)</p>

<p>"Germany's scene" will not develop much more. We are spoiled but your awsome blogs and only consume the good stuff. </p>

<p>But there is one thing I agree with: blogs are still seen as a flavor of the moth thing here in Germany. Only nerds and basement dwellers have one, and clichés like that. Quite sad. I don't even tell people that I own a bog anymore...</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-11T06:41:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Henning on 2009-07-10</title>
    <author>
        <name>Henning</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I don't know which dark corner of the net Mr. Weiß came from but in one sentence: he is wrong.</p>

<p>Please ask Robert Basic next time.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-10T07:39:09Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146364</id>
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    <title>Comment from Stefan on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Stefan</name>
        <uri>http://www.thelongrun.de</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Timo Reitnauer: I don't accept that argument. Usually, founding a company ON YOUR OWN is at the best stressful and generally a pain. But there are many other ways one can go. Look at StudiVZ, wer-kennt-wen or others. All of them relied on shelf companies (Vorratsgesellschaften), which are actually a very good way to start immediately your business. It's not at $100, but you can get some starting at €600 (e.g. <a href="http://www.vorratsgesellschaft-kaufen.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.vorratsgesellschaft-kaufen.de</a> has some cheap ones i think).</p>

<p>I agree with Sebastian that there are plenty of reasons and that those can't be changed in time. From my perspective, the best thing we could do is getting comfortable with the situation and change German web and media within existing constraints and overall, within a long process, the way we understand media.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-10T06:43:06Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146353</id>
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    <title>Comment from Sebastian on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sebastian</name>
        <uri>http://www.webanalyticsbook.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Great article and comments, but comparing apples with oranges never made sense. There are just too many reasons why the German social web is just not as big as the US social web. </p>

<p>It starts with education, monetization, entrepreneurship, venture capital, politics, laws, media in general,lifestyle, culture, search engines, the aging population and it ends besides a trillion of other reasons with the limited market of ~100 million German speaking people worldwide.</p>

<p>Enough said...back to work! Schnell!</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-10T04:40:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Timo Reitnauer on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Timo Reitnauer</name>
        <uri>http://iwantmyname.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's also not as easy to start a company in Germany. I'm German, live in New Zealand now and founding a company here is just plain simple. Go online, pay $100, send a fax and you're done. The bureaucratic and financial hurdles in Germany are just  too high which doesn't cultivate a startup scene.</p>

<p>Germans are also perfectionists which is good on the one hand but bad if you're a startup and should get a product to market as soon as possible. I'm sure some companies fail because they want to have a perfect product but run out of cash before there are paying customers.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T23:54:07Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146285</id>
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    <title>Comment from Wittkewitz on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Wittkewitz</name>
        <uri>http://www.digitalpublic.de</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Social Media is led by people who wear their heart on the sleeve, just like the sound of their own voice or even have a precise opinion about certain issues. The second important element when it comes to social media is the discussion by leaving comments. </p>

<p>You can say a lot about german people, but heated debates are not their business at all. Except three things: cars, soccer, and their homes/gardens. </p>

<p>Every blog about these three subjects would do fine. But there is nothing like that visible to the geeks, that read netzwertig and readwriteweb. </p>

<p>German Bloggers focus on media, internet, gadgets, and stuff like that. If ordinary people in germany would find blogs about ordinary topics, they would like the blogosphere... <br />
 </p>

<p>It is a matter of time. Sure. That's evolution. Since myriads of years - not the worst strategy. </p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T18:29:50Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146276</id>
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    <title>Comment from Stephan on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Stephan</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Could US-Americans please finally stop thinking that they are leading the world and that everybody else is just following them and thus can be rated as being x or y years behind the US in terms of development? (the times of Bush are over folks)</p>

<p>Could Germans please stop thinking that the value of their own activities depends on how close they are in matching or almost surpassing the US? (we just celebrate 60 years of our own constitution)</p>

<p>Germany is not behind the US cause its society is on a different track than that of the USA. That different track leads to a different usage of media, including social media, in German society. (maybe its the good beer we enjoy over here that we rather meet in person in a Biergarten or Kneipe than on the web with a coke like people in the US ;-) ?)</p>

<p>Different track means as well that German start-ups tend to be different. Maybe per head of population we have less IT-start-ups than the US (I kind of doubt that) but good business models survive in Germany as well - just maybe you find them in other areas than social media? (please everybody, widen your view)</p>

<p>Last but not least the German language limits the market that can be reached first time round. (it would be a different thing if in the early days of the USA just one man would have voted the other way round as we all know).</p>

<p>But then in Germany few have an understanding of what happens in France or in Italy. Thats a) because of language barriers and b) because the web and web usage in these countries is different from that in Germany due to a thing called culture. Yet both countries have a lot of innovation to offer just that too few speak the langauages or turn attention to these (due to the language factor) also size-limited markets. (maybe in IT people should learn one human language for every programming language they know?)</p>

<p>Ending this statement, I as well want to hint at Wikipedia as a notion of where Germany fairs much better than the anglo-saxon world. And maybe for innovative thinkers this is a hint of where in Germany the market opportunities really are to be found when it comes to social media. (no I wont elaborate about my ideas and projects ;-) )</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T17:33:09Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Roland Schupp | Euroweb on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Roland Schupp | Euroweb</name>
        <uri>http://www.euroweb.de/de/unternehmen.php</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I would agree to Marcel Weiß' opinion, especially when it comes down to german companies trying to utilize social media for business. Even well written corporate blogs are very rare and business in facebook (or studivz) is non-existent or very poorly performed. <br />
Regarding rivva.de - the person in charge behind rivva announced some weeks ago, that he will stop his efforts for Rivva.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T17:27:10Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146231</id>
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    <title>Comment from Dragan Mestrovic on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dragan Mestrovic</name>
        <uri>http://blogadmonkey.com/blog</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have read several comments for this post here and it seems it has become a small controversy if Germany is 5 or 2 years behind the US.</p>

<p>Common folks, <br />
Just stop a moment and think again! It is not important if this is two or five years. The internet is changing and evolving in such a breathtaking speed, that even to be three month behind the trend can let your business vaporize and disappear in the dust!</p>

<p>OK, German government is anxious to help out with programs, this is a fact. But it is still not the ultimate solution to jumpstart the BIG THING. Moreover sometimes it is too much to die and to less to survive the game! OK, but it’s a beginning. Let’s see what’s happen in the future.</p>

<p>Yes, some of the successful German start ups are definitely copy paste innovations! Because German investors only invest money in things which have a ‘Proof of Concept’, means you have to copy paste if you want German VC cash, period!</p>

<p>Under these circumstances such successful companies like eBay, Google, Twitter, etc. would never have been financed in Germany, because of lack of ‘Proof of Concept’…</p>

<p>The German investor wants a ‘fully comprehensive insurance’ when he invest. Means, he don’t want to risk any cash, but want to make 10,000% within one year. </p>

<p>We all know that this is not real, but there are still firms who offer such kind of investment, and many of the ‘Vollkasko Mentalität’ Investors jump on these scheme. Remember Caviar Creator, 52 Million Euro investor cash vanished in the dust …. But there was no risk … mhhhhh …. Yes …yes!</p>

<p>The main issue in Germany is the mentality, which is very different from the people from the US and other countries. </p>

<p>You do not become a pioneer when you are scared of risk!</p>

<p>You can't find an opportunity if you don't take the effort and the time to learn a research!<br />
And you also don’t become financially successful as an entrepreneur or investor when you are not prepared and willing to take the required level of risk! </p>

<p>This is like a campfire which warms us, but if nobody stands up to go through the darkness to bring new firewood the fire will go out and this is 100% sure without any doubt!</p>

<p>You can adapt this to Germany as a country also! </p>

<p>I think you’ve got the picture. </p>

<p>Cheers and have a successful day!<br />
</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T13:43:02Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146214</id>
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    <title>Comment from Andy on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Andy</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Yes, because it's Germany and not the US! Cultures differ and so does the use of social media. Researchers say that Germans aren't prone to trends like in the US (look at iPhone numbers). At the same time they're still tech savvy (at least younger people up to mid 30ies) and Germany is generally very tech friendly.</p>

<p>I say it's good that things like these grow more organic<br />
Also it's pretty normal to me that true inventions in the field come from North America, because that's where most heavyweight VC firms operate.</p>

<p>I've experienced that younger Germans don't use social services ex nihilo -- just for the sake of it. When they do, they integrate it into their real lifes.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T12:32:06Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146213</id>
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    <title>Comment from kris on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>kris</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The German spoken so-called Web 2.0 is infested with SEOs, make-money-fast-scammers, wannabe-experts and social media spammers. No sane person want to be part of this scene and nobody needs to since most Germans have fairly good English language skills.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T12:29:16Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146212</id>
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    <title>Comment from Alex on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Alex</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@tobias: Agree.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T12:08:27Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from McLaughlin on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>McLaughlin</name>
        <uri>http://richardmclaughlin.biz</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I live in France and know that people here are not up on social media. There are not FrenchDigg or FrenchDelicious sites that can help. Yes, the existing social media can support different languages, but when 90% is in English the Frogs find it a waste of time to submit.<br />
In General, the average social media savvy person in France will be writing in English. I've also seen 2 people that write everything in French, then translate into English with a link between the 2 languages. They then submit the English to social media and hope for the best.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T12:02:11Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146207</id>
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    <title>Comment from Alex Wilde on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Alex Wilde</name>
        <uri>http://www.alexo.it</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Kai Brach</p>

<p>"And maybe that's exactly the reason for the gap: Americans take more risks and overcome barriers. Germans complain and talk about why they can't do certain things, rather than tackle to problem head-on."</p>

<p>You may be right for web/software startups where speed and a playful approach are king. From my own experience I feel that Germans are fighting hard with this notion of delivering a product which isn't completely finished yet, read *imperfect*.</p>

<p>But that's also why I tend to disagree with your comment in that point where you're suggesting that "complaining and talking about certain things" is necessarily an overall entrepreneurial disadvantage. Complaining and thinking also translates to reflecting about problems more thoroughly which can lead to superior solutions in the end.</p>

<p>So to make a point, I think that the German's worldwide appreciated virtues of thoroughness and perfectionism are mostly misplaced within the web world of trial and error successes. But outside of it, german entrepreneurs are doing pretty well..</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T11:36:18Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146205</id>
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    <title>Comment from Stefan on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Stefan</name>
        <uri>http://www.thelongrun.de</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I agree to the fact that Germany is 5 years behind in web. There are some platforms, some communities, but no real integration into our society at all. We still have a focus on classic media that don't see a reason why they should integrate e.g. blogs and raise therefore competitors.</p>

<p>From my perspective, this isn't at all a problem of that services, but also a problem of our understanding. </p>

<p>There are also no clear approaches to create professional services, not that homemade things we've seen for 10 years now. Most people don't understand that creating a successful and publicly accepted community or service doesn't just depend on programming skills. It's still, and i think this has been written in your entrepreneur series several times, a marketing process. We in Germany don't have that understanding, but think that creating a 'cool website' is enough to gain lots of attention. </p>

<p>I can't ignore that there is a discussion about entrepreneurship in our blogosphere, but discussions don't change anything (as you can see in Xing most likely). It's a matter of mentality we don't have and we don't learn. Establishing a more self esteem, hard working and therefore successful web business is still far away. We are 5 years away.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T11:17:41Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.15651-comment:146201</id>
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    <title>Comment from Michael on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael</name>
        <uri>http://yigg.de</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Catchy headline ;-)</p>

<p>In principle, I agree with  you stating that Germany is behind the US when it comes to participation on the internet. Additionally I'd like to state that Germans will never "catch up" in some aspects. Why that?</p>

<p>Let me use a small example: <br />
Ask a US citizen to register with a new site or social network. He'll do this immediately and will give it a try. Ask a German the same. He'll ask you back: Why should I do this? Where is my benefit?</p>

<p>Another example: German based VCs did not and somne of them still do not believe in Web 2.0 / Social Networks etc. You might even find none of them thinking that twitter is a big thing. </p>

<p>All bad? Yes and no. For me, as co-founder and MD of YiGG,  it's very simple: we (i.e. venture backed start-ups) have to get break even within a relatively short period of time. If we used phrases like "We first have to focus on reach before we start thinking about how to earn money" e even would not get venture money. So - no start-up paradise here - but - at least now and then - businesses on their way to profitability.</p>

<p>One word on YiGG (and our competitors): we really would appreciate a more relaxed attitude of Germans regarding Social Media. But it's up to us to find the best way to connect web 2.0-lazy Germans with the instruments of participation. And we all are working hard on that. (In our case: a lower number of YiGGs does not necessarily result in a low number of click-throughs.)</p>

<p>Our newest: YiGG Daily - YiGG users can send in their 2 minute video of the hottest stories on YiGG. This is Germany's first User Generated News Videochannel. (Do you have this in the US? ;-)</p>

<p>Conclusio: Compare German Social Media with the slogan "Made in Germany". I am pretty sure - it will grow, it will be a vital part of Germany's stream of communication - but it will always look a bit Deutsch. </p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T10:48:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Franz on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Franz</name>
        <uri>http://franztoo.de</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@ tobias (8) I don't know in which Germany you are living, in mine Marcel ist known to raise his voice, write about interesting and sometimes uncomfortable topics and is pushing important discussions.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T10:43:52Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Khalil Aleker on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Khalil Aleker</name>
        <uri>http://www,salambc.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Nice pointers indeed. Definitely behind by couple of years :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T10:29:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from tobias on 2009-07-09</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Marcel Weiß is a nobody in Germany and known in the scene as a wiseacre :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T10:29:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Thomas on 2009-07-09</title>
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        <name>Thomas</name>
        <uri>http://thomashuhn.com/en/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Frederic, while a headline like "Germany 5 Years behind" might catch more interest than a less spectacular, but more differentiated approach, this really doesn't help the German Social Media.</p>

<p>I think blogging is just one tiny little aspect of the Social Media Universe, but you seem to be very focused on that topic. To find the real problems you have to dig much deeper than that:</p>

<p>The biggest difference to the USA is, that Germany is very much dominated by the traditional publishing houses. Companies like Bertelsmann, Gruner & Jahr, Axel Springer, Spiegel, Holtzbrinck, Tomorrow-Focus and the WAZ-Mediengruppe (group of 38 medium publishers) are literally killing innovation in Germany.</p>

<p>First, these publishing houses don't compete effectively with each other, because there's a tradition to "stay in your own playing field" and don't attack your neighbour.</p>

<p>Second, there's also a clear strategy, that you where able to observe with every new raising technology: First step - watch the development of this new technology and elicit if this could be an interesting distribution channel for advertising. Second step - engage in a conservative way (focused only on advertising). Third step - expand massively and force all small, innovative companies to surrender (or just slurp them up - see what happened to StudiVZ or wer-kennt-wen - these sites have never seen major technological developments anymore after being aquired).</p>

<p>If you've followed the development of these industries, you've been able to watch these three steps in TV, radio and now in the online business.</p>

<p>But the big publishers domination of the market goes even further: e.g. they offer planning tools (software) to media agencies that enable media planners to distribute complex budgets to hundreds of online media with just one click - sure you will only find sites of the big publishers in this list, but hey - the software is free, saves a lot of time and as we all know, time is money.</p>

<p>Do you really think there will be an agency trying to convince their customers that they have to put much more effort in spending their advertising budget by finding relevant blogs with appropriate topics and reliability? Dream on ...</p>

<p>Thank god Google interrupted that collusive game once and for ever. The publishers definitely hate Google for not playing their rules. But even Google is not enough to bring back the free spirit of entrepreneurship and equality of opportunity back to Germany. What's really needed is incubation, business angels and VCs offering seed financing.</p>

<p>I guarantee that I can name you many innovative entrepreneurial thoughtleaders in their field coming from Germany. But they rot in boring dayjobs, not able to take the risk of starting their own company without financial support.</p>

<p>So, I agree with you that German Social Media is way behind the USA, but that isn't true for the people behind the scenes - there is much more potential. It's just suppressed, because the dominating publishing houses that run 99% of all major German sites is only interested in cementing their status quo. Innovation looks like the devil to them ...</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T09:51:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Peter Urban on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Peter Urban</name>
        <uri>http://www.smibs.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>So true.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T09:47:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Kai Brach on 2009-07-09</title>
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        <name>Kai Brach</name>
        <uri>http://www.brizk.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. Certainly don't agree with "5 years behind". I also don't think it's always fair to compare the German and US market directly.</p>

<p>Germany isn't doing so badly compared to other European countries. One of the main problems in Germany is the main stream media industry. Rather than embracing new technologies they are afraid of the competition of the web and therefor aren't pushing enough. Some of the news articles in the technology sections of some newspapers can be found on blogs like Techcrunch 3 days earlier. And the way they report about it clearly shows that most journalists don't even know what they are talking about. (You can't have "a facebook", but rather "a facebook account".)</p>

<p>I've moved to Australia recently. Most Australians rely on US media and blogs to get their news. There is almost no start-up scene here at all and broadband plans are still metered and sometimes cost more than $100 per month.</p>

<p>So, compared to other countries, Germany is pretty well off. Of course, if you ask a German, he/she will always complain about the deficiencies. And maybe that's exactly the reason for the gap: Americans take more risks and overcome barriers. Germans complain and talk about why they can't do certain things, rather than tackle to problem head-on. </p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T09:19:57Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Altendorf on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Altendorf</name>
        <uri>http://www.adtelligence.de</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Well, I can't comment on this in my because it is just moving to the new website but i will try it here...<br />
Yes the article generaises many things, but this is ok. Bloggers should make meaning and exaggerate things to open the eyes of the people.<br />
1. Bloggers:<br />
There are many German bloggers, some with very good repution and own opinions. But there are many writing low level news. Fun and game blogs are read several times more often than political blog.<br />
The majority of the German Gen Y is not political and in addition there are not insulted if you accuse them to have no own opinion. That is ok for most of them. There were several articls in leading German newspapers "Die Zeit" and "Der Spiegel" writing about that problem. The difference to the US is that both big German parties do not really compete or offer alternatives.<br />
So there is no Obama vs Bush. It is more like a fabric softener. Young people in Germany fear to have an own opinion because they think that they can't make a difference etc etc.<br />
The other side are the bloggers about internet topics. They often copy only the english blogs like this one, techcrunch or silicon alley insider. - Most of the time people already know what they are writing about.</p>

<p>Traditionally German newspapers have a big influence and also social networks like studiVZ is owned by a newspaper, WerKenntwen is owed by a TV company and so on. <br />
The bosses behind are not interested in a platform model more in slowing down the innovation and a wallet garden.</p>

<p>2. Startup scene<br />
There are several very innovative startups. Try out crytec  (FarCry) or gameforge (World of Warcraft competitor with more than 200 Mio turnover with virtual goods). They are much bigger than Xing. <br />
The VC scene is not as open than in the US and they are really risk averse in the first view. <br />
But the government offers for example 2 programs: First one where you get supported by the government with about 75% of your last salary for 9months to start a company. And a second one where you get about $2500 for 12months to build a prototype out of an idea you had at university. This is much better than what is offered in the US (a former Silicon Valley VC stated this to me)<br />
But your are right the cultural attitude is really different. There is no support by the society. It is very hierachical. Trying something new is not welcomed. <br />
But things are changing and on the way to my own company I got to know many many new people starting a company, many events happened already this year in the startup scene, internet business, web2.0, enterprise 2.0, future music camp and many more.<br />
Marcel is right you should put the finger on this problem that Germany needs to change their attitude towards a more open and innovative culture.</p>

<p>PS: Most of the Germans writing only bullshit on Twitter so do not force them to use it more often. Like Guy Kawasaki stated 2 years ago in a presentation: "I do not understand Twitter. Perhaps I am too old. the "My cat is rolling on the floor" thing. <br />
That is the statium where Germany currently is: only 2 years behind not 5.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T09:02:49Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Alina on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Don't agree. If you look at the stats - the user are maybe one or two year behind US. Like using Social Networks, read / write a blog - or better said - Europe (not Germany) behind the US. </p>

<p>If you are talking about 5 years - think about what you are saying - this was the time where we just starting with new start-ups again after the first new-economy-bubble.</p>

<p>But I agree with the Web-thinking of big companys. There is still a lot to do right know. But to be honest - I think this is more a cultural question. There are more solo people inside companys that just blog (like IBM or Ford) so they are more bravehearted and just do it, instead of having a big plan. </p>

<p>PLUS I agree with Steven. It's harder to be recognized if the "www" doesn't understand you, because of your language.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T08:24:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Tom on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
        <name>Tom</name>
        <uri>http://www.relenet.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The article is very true when it comes to the German start up scene. For start ups besides the mentioned bureaucratic barriers it is very difficult to raise the necessary capital as investors in Germany are very risk averse. Although there are some smaller companies such as relenet social network solutions GmbH that have managed to survive and grow in a very innovative environment thanks to an innovative product.<br />
Regarding the use of social media in Germany its a fact that the population is growing old and older people don't tend to adopt new technologies and trends like young users of the Internet. Additionally it is very difficult to explain to people and companies / organizations what their benefits are when using social media, as they do not see their critical target groups using it. Here the acceptance of a new media and new form of communication has not come true yet. But it will change in time.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-07-09T07:11:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Steven Walling on 2009-07-09</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt you're correct about German blogging and social news Frederic. But for me, the silver lining in the German Web is the German-language Wikipedia and the non-profit chapter that runs it: <a href="http://www.wikimedia.de/" rel="nofollow">Wikimedia Deutschland</a>. </p>

<p>In many ways, the German Wikipedia is ahead of the English community, though we outstrip them by far in terms of mere size. Founded in 2004, it was the first Wikimedia chapter. It has more than 400 members, an office with 1.5 full time employees, and has done some fantastic outreach work.</p>]]>
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