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    <published>2009-11-16T13:56:35Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-16T16:34:57Z</updated>
    <title>Twitter Definitely Ditching &quot;Suggested Users List&quot;</title>
    <summary>Last month, Twitter CEO and co-founder Evan Williams stated that he &quot;desperately&quot; wanted to retire the company&apos;s suggested user list - the list of Twitter accounts shown to new users of the service to help them find interesting people to follow. At the time, he hinted that it might evolve into something more &quot;Twittery and...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/twitter_redesign_jul09a.jpg">Last month, Twitter CEO and co-founder Evan Williams stated that he "desperately" wanted to retire the company's suggested user list - the list of Twitter accounts shown to new users of the service to help them find interesting people to follow. At the time, he hinted that it might evolve into something more "Twittery and democratic." But now, what was a "maybe" before has turned into a "definitely." Speaking at a conference in Malaysia, Twitter co-founder Biz Stone told reporters that the suggested users list will be "going away" and "in its stead will be something that is more programmatically chosen, something that actually delivers more relevant suggestions." </p>]]>
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<p>According to <a href="http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/social-media-site-twitter-to-scrap-controversial-list-of-suggested-users-executive-says/" target="_blank">an AP article</a> released today, Stone explained that the new suggested users list would be more tailored to the users' interests, but he did not say how exactly the company would accomplish this task. He also would not confirm when the current list would be removed or replaced. </p>

<p>The Suggested Users List, commonly abbreviated "SUL," has long been a source of controversy for the company. Meant to offer a helpful introduction to Twitter novices about what sort of interesting people, companies, and services can be found on Twitter, the list has angered many who felt it was a way Twitter could show favoritism towards some accounts while ignoring others potentially more worthy of inclusion. </p>

<p>Noted tech legend <a href="http://www.scripting.com/stories/2009/06/19/twitterHeadingOffEditorial.html" target="_blank">Dave Winer argued</a> that Twitter was taking an editorial interest in their service, and one that rapidly inflated the follower counts of those blessed with Twitter's "gift." Meanwhile, Mahalo CEO <a href="http://calacanis.com/2009/03/19/why-twitters-suggested-users-is-the-next-superbowl-ad-or-calacanis-offers-500k-for-three-years/" target="_blank">Jason Calacanis offered the company</a> half a million dollars for three years on the list. (Twitter didn't take him up on the offer.) </p>

<p>The benefits to getting on the list are great indeed. Users added to the SUL, <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/twitters_suggested_user_list_followers.php" target="_blank">gained on average of 53,000 new followers</a> after being on the list for a week and 170,000 within the first month. Some users even gained as many as 370,000 in the first 30 days. </p>

<p>For a service favored by marketers, businesses, and other self-promoters, placement on the SUL was a surefire ticket to Twitter stardom. New followers meant more traffic to the websites linked in the Twitter updates and more traffic meant more money could be made through on-site advertising. It was almost as if Twitter itself was writing you a check. </p>

<p>Thankfully, in this case, Twitter has listened to their community and is planning on a more egalitarian system. The only question now is how will they know which accounts to suggest? Of course, there is still the old stand-by method of importing your email address book to suggest users you already know who are on the service. But what Twitter plans on offering sounds a little more robust. Perhaps they will introduce an algorithm that takes into account a Twitter user's "authority?" </p>

<p>If that's the case, Twitter may be jumping out of the proverbial frying pan and into the fire. This is because there isn't solid agreement as to how "authority" should be calculated. Late last year, Twitter app <a href="http://seesmic.com/" target="_blank">Seesmic</a> creator's Loic Le Meur started a heated back-and-forth on the matter when he wrote a blog post which said that Twitter should rank search results by the number of followers you have. More followers meant more authority, he said. Social media guru and blogger <a href="http://scobleizer.com/2008/12/27/5127/" target="_blank">Robert Scoble</a> quickly countered saying that the number of people you follow was actually a more important number as is the number of retweets, the number of favorited tweets, the number of inbound links to a tweet and the number of clickthroughs on an item in Twitter search. Soon, <a href="http://www.techmeme.com/081227/p7#a081227p7" target="_blank">the entire tech blogosphere was engaged in the discussion</a> with seemingly every blog weighing in with their opinion. </p>

<p>And this was only a casual discussion among Twitter users based on one person's suggestion. Imagine what an official policy change by Twitter will lead to! Clearly, no matter what the company comes up with, it's bound to be heavily debated and discussed. In any event, it will definitely be worth the wait to find out what that is. </p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from Chrissy Morin on 2009-12-01</title>
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        <name>Chrissy Morin</name>
        <uri>http://www.examiner.com/x-29541-Douglas-County-Examiner</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think the model that twitter grader uses might be a good option.  You can search by key words and follow top twitter folk in that category., i.e. local, news, sports etc. </p>]]>
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    <published>2009-12-01T14:50:35Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2009://1.17122-comment:169194</id>
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    <title>Comment from Hutch Carpenter on 2009-11-17</title>
    <author>
        <name>Hutch Carpenter</name>
        <uri>http://bhc3.wordpress.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Sarah -</p>

<p>If I had a magic product wand, I'd want it to be a process where you enter keywords, and Twitter provides a set if users to follow.</p>

<p>What would be the basis for these users?</p>

<p>   1. Relevancy of tweet stream to a subject<br />
   2. Crowdsourced signals of authority<br />
   3. Effectiveness in providing relevant content</p>

<p>A deeper dive into these elements is here:</p>

<p><a href="http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/how-should-tweets-be-ranked-in-search-engine-results/" rel="nofollow">http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/how-should-tweets-be-ranked-in-search-engine-results/</a></p>

<p>Making more relevant suggestions will be great for both new and existing users, and better for Twitter.</p>

<p>Hutch</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-17T18:05:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Matt Corby on 2009-11-17</title>
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        <name>Matt Corby</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I wonder why did it take them too long to figure it out. My guess is that they were actually doing a paid promo stunt. As a new user living outside US why would I want to follow Scobles?<br />
Anyway, it’s good they are moving forward.<br />
The way I see things is that users should be able to filter the noise of the Internet.<br />
Wadja.com is trying to do something relevant with a follow the #Label action.<br />
Time will tell.<br />
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    <published>2009-11-17T09:41:37Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Michael on 2009-11-16</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael</name>
        <uri>http://www.docmurdock.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Leave it to Jason to offer money to people to get put on their list. Sheesh. Have to find some way to keep losers off the list, I guess twitter did by turning him down. "Create your own following" is what I tell people. Do so by providing valuable information of interest. Whether it's business, travel, random musings, or even spiritually channeled in messages (what appear on my feed now), people will come and they will follow, and those numbers will increase.</p>

<p>Mine have grown substantially, and it's not been as a result of following a lot of other people, or even specific people back.</p>

<p>Put out something worthwhile, people will retweet and your followers will grow.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-16T19:38:19Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Matthew Daines on 2009-11-16</title>
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        <name>Matthew Daines</name>
        <uri>http://www.twellow.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>There are several third-party apps which supply suggested users lists in a much better fashion than Twitter. Here's my plug for our app, Twellow.com. We've had a real, targeted SUL for a few weeks now. It matches people up with you based on your personally selected categories of interest, displaying the list based on relevance, not just followers counts. You can read all about it here:</p>

<p><a href="http://blog.twellow.com/2009/11/05/twellow-suggests-twitter-users" rel="nofollow">http://blog.twellow.com/2009/11/05/twellow-suggests-twitter-users</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-16T15:41:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Sarah Perez on 2009-11-16</title>
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        <name>Sarah Perez</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Liz: I like your idea in theory, but that would still be an editorially selected group of users, wouldn't it? It may be better if Twitter went with an algorithm instead for fairness sake. Assuming they can build a fair algorithm, that is!</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-16T15:19:29Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Robert Quaranta on 2009-11-16</title>
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        <name>Robert Quaranta</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p><br />
If they intend to improve the service, how about making DMs immune from 3rd party auto-submitting. After all, for many they are already simply spam.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-16T15:10:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Rick Mans on 2009-11-16</title>
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        <name>Rick Mans</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>You can only suggest users to a new user of a service if you know who this user is and if you got some context of this user. And even then: each service has its own context and each user on a service has its own context. </p>

<p>I think that defining upfront who are the right people for you to follow is impossible. Why not suggest which users to follow after a week of activity, in that week the tweets, the followers and other context can be analyzed and based on this data a list of suggested users can be defined. (very identical to what MrTweet does nowadays).</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-16T15:06:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Liz Pullen on 2009-11-16</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have ideas! ;) I've studied the effect of the Suggested User List (SlideShare: <a href="http://bit.ly/4wby6e)" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4wby6e)</a> and there are definitely ways it could be a better tool. My preference would be to have a limited number of (say, 20) accounts stay for a week or two weeks on the SUL and then a new 20 accounts suggested. Instead, some accounts have been on the Suggested User List since February 2009 while others are put on, taken off, put on again. It's capricious & haphazard. </p>

<p>And worst of all is that the list has grown to close to 500 accounts and the user can't choose which ones to follow. Except for about 20 accounts which have checkboxes, the other 450+ accounts just come along as a bunch and the user has to go back through and unfollow the specific accounts you don't want. </p>

<p>Another alternative would be to have a variety of SULs, say one for politics, sports, journalists, actors, singers, bloggers, nonprofits, etc. so people could easily find those accounts they are interested in "discovering". </p>

<p>SULs are not a bad idea but currently Twitter's is ill-defined which leaves it open to charges of favoritism from those people who aspire to a position on it.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-16T15:05:39Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Sarah Perez on 2009-11-16</title>
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        <name>Sarah Perez</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Antony Van Couvering: Oops, the AP article cited referenced it as being so but it's the seat of the federal government, not the captial. That's obviously an error. Removed. </p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-16T15:05:03Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from ITrush on 2009-11-16</title>
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        <name>ITrush</name>
        <uri>http://www.itrush.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Oh, just keep on dugging.. we want to listen more.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-16T14:32:07Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Antony Van Couvering on 2009-11-16</title>
    <author>
        <name>Antony Van Couvering</name>
        <uri>http://www.mindsandmachines.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Since when is Putrajaya the capital of Malaysia?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-16T14:29:25Z</published>
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