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    <published>2010-03-14T17:11:23Z</published>
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    <title>Facebook Firehose May Be Released at Developer Conference F8</title>
    <summary>Facebook plans to announce the availability of a firehose of user data at its F8 developers conference in April, we believe based on research. Such an offering could be similar to the firehose that Twitter has shared with large partners and select small developers building the famous Twitter ecosystem of 3rd party applications around the...</summary>
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      <name>Marshall Kirkpatrick</name>
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      <![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.readwriteweb.com/images/thefacebook.jpg"><a href="http://Facebook.com">Facebook</a> plans to announce the availability of a firehose of user data at its F8 developers conference in April, we believe based on research.  Such an offering could be similar to the firehose that Twitter has shared with large partners and select small developers building the famous Twitter ecosystem of 3rd party applications around the web.  A Facebook representative did not offer a denial, saying only that the company would not comment on speculation.</p>

<p>The huge social network was once private by default, then made controversial changes in December that <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebooks_zuckerberg_says_the_age_of_privacy_is_ov.php">pushed hundreds of millions of users toward publishing their information in public</a> and now appears aimed to complete the about-face at its F8 developer conference by offering up public user data in a huge river that outside parties can consume, analyze and build on top of.</p>]]>
      <![CDATA[<div class="super-pullquote">If what people call Web 2.0 was all about creating new technologies that made it easy for everyday people to publish their thoughts, social connections and activities, then the next stage of innovation online may be services like recommendations, self and group awareness, and other features made possible by software developers building on top of the huge mass of data that Web 2.0 made public....

<p>"Nobody thinks about how much valuable information they're generating just by friending people and fanning pages. It's like we're constantly voting in a hundred different ways every day. And I'm a starry-eyed believer that we'll be able to change the world for the better using that neglected information. It's like an x-ray for the whole country - we can see all sorts of hidden details of who we're friends with, where we live, what we like." - Pete Warden, <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_user_data_analysis.php">The Man Who Looked Into Facebook's Soul</a></div>The first F8 conference saw the unveiling of the Facebook Platform, a way for app developers to build games and utilities inside of Facebook.  This announcement would represent Facebook <em>as a platform</em> and enable far more to be built outside and on top of the social network.  Privacy concerns?  For sure.  Genuinely world-changing potential?  There's a lot of that too.</p>

<p>It's not clear exactly what would be included in this firehose, it could be a stream of low-value Fan Page promotional content, for example.  The most likely thing content to be included though is user activity data published under public privacy settings.  There's far, far more of that today than there was just a few months ago.</p>

<p>If you've participated in a supermarket loyalty program, you're familiar with the concept of opting-in to sharing data about your activities with outside parties in exchange for benefits.  In that common practice, though, consumers gain shopping discounts but get nothing from the analysis of the data they emit.  </p>

<p>In the case of the Twitter Firehose, the much sought-after full feed of public user data from across the site, users gain access to all kinds of interesting applications and insights based on analysis of their use of Twitter.</p>

<p>A Facebook firehose would be much bigger.   We're hearing that there will be no launch partners in the announcement, but the imagination runs wild thinking about all the mashup possibilities.  We learned last week that <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/location_sharing_is_coming_to_facebook_-_how_will_users_react.php">user location data is coming to Facebook at F8</a>, now picture all this rich data roaring like a river into the data digesting machines of a wide range of developers all over the world.</p>

<p>A firehose of public Facebook user activity data could function like <strong>a living, breathing global census.</strong>  Cross reference that data with any other data set and we may find an ocean of insights into the human condition, around the world, for slices of people, second by second or over time.</p>

<p>This is something we've been calling on Facebook to do for some time.  I've sat with founder Mark Zuckerberg and discussed the importance and potential of releasing aggregate user data at length.</p>

<p>That, though, was before last December when the privacy policy changed.<br />
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<h2>Privacy Concerns</h2>

<div class="super-pullquote">"The social contract I and all users have with Twitter is clear. What you say on an open account is public and linkable. It is called microblogging for a reason...The social contract with Facebook has changed constantly since it started....Last week's privacy enhancement's change the social contract yet again and this time it stripped you naked." - Kaliya Hamlin, <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebooks_privacy_move_violates_contract_with_user.php">Facebook's Privacy Move Violates Contract With Users</a></div>Just because something is posted publicly on the web, Microsoft researcher danah boyd said in <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/danah_boyd_talks_about_privacy_at_sxsw.php">her opening keynote at SXSW yesterday</a>, doesn't mean people want it to be broadcast more generally.  Making something public is not permission to publicize it.

<p>Is the inclusion of public activity into a firehose programatically available to outside developers a case of broadcast that violates user control and thus privacy?</p>

<p>I don't think it's clear either way.  In a discussion about aggregate Twitter data analysis late last year, a representative of the Electronic Frontier Foundation told me that Twitter users had no reasonable expectation that their data wouldn't be redistributed and analyzed in bulk because Twitter was a public forum.</p>

<p>Facebook used to be different.  It was private by default, our actions were shared only with friends and family that we gave permission to see our status messages and photos.</p>

<p>Then in December the company made a dramatic shift, prompting users to re-evaluate their privacy settings and making "share with everyone all over the internet" the new default for most options.  Mark Zuckerberg said Facebook was only changing to reflect the way the world was changing, but we argued that was a disingenous rationalization of Facebook's culture-changing actions driven in part by its own profit motive.  We also argued that by pushing users toward being more public the company was reducing user control over data and spreading distrust about making data available online at all.  That put at risk the idea of sharing your data in a way that could be analyzed.</p>

<p>Is there a reasonable expectation that online social networking activity set to "public" will not be redistributed in bulk to outside parties?  How can a company like Facebook respect user privacy as much as possible while still achieving the incredible things that can be achieved by making aggregate user data available for analysis?</p>

<p>Let's begin to discuss it.</p>

<p><strong>See also:</strong> The <a href="http://overstated.net/">personal blog of Cameron Marlow</a>, Facebook's in-house sociologist and big data guy.<br />
<strong>Related analysis:</strong> <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/twitter_20_api_rate_change_could_lead_to_a_world_o.php">Twitter 2.0: API Rate Change Could Lead to a World of New Apps & Features</a><br />
<strong>Chewing on the Issues:</strong> <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/twitter_data_dump_infochimp_puts_1b_connections_up.php">Twitter Data Dump: InfoChimps Puts 1B Connections Up for Sale</a></p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from gagner de l&apos;argent on 2010-09-26</title>
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        <name>gagner de l&apos;argent</name>
        <uri>http://www.objectifargent.fr</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>MySpace has had a firehose open to all developers for a while now. It may be the number 3 network, but that's still worth mentioning. Regarding privacy, although this does change the meaning of a public profile to a user, I wonder how many users will actually know this API exists.</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-09-26T23:03:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from شات مصري on 2010-09-08</title>
    <author>
        <name>شات مصري</name>
        <uri>http://www.m9ryh.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>thingGSGG about the location problem is that it was solved quite a few | <a href="http://www.m9ryh.com" rel="nofollow">دردشة</a> | years ago by the API <a href="http://www.m9ryh.com" rel="nofollow">دردشة مصر</a>. But, since they're not so cutting edge, and managed by an old school mentality, people either forgot about them or never knew about them. It's sad | <a href="http://www.m9ryh.com" rel="nofollow">شات</a> | really, because their API for venues is quite comprehensive and has been SSaround for years. Kudos to > for being the one who has powered, designed,DD and maintained that massive (and well formed)SSSVSSS</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-09-08T18:59:23Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2010://1.18701-comment:242516</id>
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    <title>Comment from Mutuelle  on 2010-09-07</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mutuelle </name>
        <uri>http://mutuelle.compareo.net</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's always an issue when we talk about security issues. Specially on Facebook since its touches more than 400 million worldwide. Sometimes i wonder why change it? So they admit there were faults/deficiencies present before? Facebook is fun. Everybody knows that. Great way to communicate, find friends around the world & entertain during your off hours. But its also a collection of data. A HUGE collection of ever changing data about everybody. But, as stated by one of the fundamental laws of data protection-  data should not be kept excessively or for a longer amount of time needed. & i think that's exactly whats Facebook is tying to correct.</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-09-07T12:14:01Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from CrisisMaven on 2010-03-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>CrisisMaven</name>
        <uri>http://crisismaven.wordpress.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think there will, probably spawned from the midst of the Open Source movement, soon be a truly private "Facebok", "Linkedin", "Xing" etc. alternative for all those who cherish privacy. Not everyone likes to share data and be at the whim of "savvy investors".</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-03-15T10:02:17Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.readwriteweb.com,2010://1.18701-comment:196836</id>
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    <title>Comment from Facebok Developers on 2010-03-15</title>
    <author>
        <name>Facebok Developers</name>
        <uri>http://www.inkatechnology.co.uk</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I am looking forward to attending Facebook’s Third f8 Developer Conference On for April 21-22 in San Francisco.</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-03-15T07:53:05Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Seemer on 2010-03-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Seemer</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I just want to log into Facebook! What the hell is all this?? Let me in!!</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-03-15T05:24:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Jesse on 2010-03-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Jesse</name>
        <uri>http://staynalive.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hey Marshall, not sure if you saw this, but here is the evidence I see leaning towards some sort of big real-time announcement at F8: <a href="http://staynalive.com/articles/2010/02/22/speculation-expect-something-big-in-the-area-of-real-time-at-f8/" rel="nofollow">http://staynalive.com/articles/2010/02/22/speculation-expect-something-big-in-the-area-of-real-time-at-f8/</a></p>]]>
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    <published>2010-03-15T00:16:30Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from francine hardaway on 2010-03-14</title>
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        <name>francine hardaway</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This shocks even me, I have no expectation or need for privacy in my online activities. But I'm not stupid enough to think I am the market.  For every Francine, there are 25 high school, college, and neighborhood FB friends who think I am just nuts and over the top.  If they thought their data was being sold to marketers they would freak out. Most people I know don't even realize how marketers use data.</p>

<p>Facebook started as so DIFFERENT from Linkedin and Twitter.  Twitter began for sharing. LinkedIn began for job hunts.  Those are public. FB began as a friends and family conversation, and will now, with 400 million users, be the biggest market research wet dream on the planet. Ugh.</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-03-15T00:09:28Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Tinu on 2010-03-14</title>
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        <name>Tinu</name>
        <uri>http://freetraffictip.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Maybe it's my natural paranoia, perhaps its my upbringing - the culture I was wrapped in as a first-generation born American - but I don't have the same expectation of privacy for any of my web activities. Nor do I have the same level of discomfort about it.</p>

<p>From the time I open my laptop, I expect that anything I type in a Notepad file or even an email message could at some point be shared with the entire world, and I behave accordingly. </p>

<p>Even still, there's something vaguely scary about how much information Facebook could have, collectively... the idea of a global census updating at the speed of light. And it's partly the point you brought up, Marshall, that all the information was once private, and the less savvy among us may have never thought to change the new  mega-public default setting, or known it was there...</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-03-14T22:04:56Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mark Carey on 2010-03-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mark Carey</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In addition to a Firehose, I would expect a Search API as well, enabling developers to search and display public status updates, in much the same way as the Twitter Search API.  Hand-in-hand with that could a public "global" search engine on Facebook.com that searches the same public data.</p>

<p>Of the course the same privacy issues exist here as the firehose -- either way it will be very interesting.</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-03-14T20:47:29Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ivan on 2010-03-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ivan</name>
        <uri>http://www.zakupai.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>hmmm...<br />
nice post<br />
my english is bad, but it' interesting</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-03-14T19:10:05Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from karamazov on 2010-03-14</title>
    <author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>MySpace has had a firehose open to all developers for a while now. It may be the number 3 network, but that's still worth mentioning. Regarding privacy,  although this does change the meaning of a public profile to a user, I wonder how many users will actually know this API exists.</p>]]>
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    <published>2010-03-14T18:20:11Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from justinkistner on 2010-03-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>justinkistner</name>
        <uri>http://blogs.webtrends.com/Products/Analytics.aspx</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Marshall, the issue of Facebook privacy is going to heat up further now that the top analytics vendors have all released solutions to track Facebook activity. I know at Webtrends our legal team has been pouring over their terms for storable data, and here is a bit of what we have found.</p>

<p>One of the most compelling sources of data that analytics vendors want to provide their customers access to is your full profile data available from the <a href="http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Users.getInfo" rel="nofollow">Users.getInfo call</a>, which has over 80 data points from your profile including everything from your list of family members to your email address to your dating preferences. The FB rules are that you can only store this data for 24 hours, but I know that while we respect these rules, not all vendors are. According to FB's rules on <a href="http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Storable_Data" rel="nofollow">storable data</a>, you can only permanently store 14 fairly anonymous data points, such as the anonymous user ID (UID). What we don't know is whether or not it is if we can do things like refresh our database every 24 hours, which would give us the same effect as permanent storage.</p>

<p>The Users.getInfo call is available from inside apps, which users have to click on an allow button before entering apps. The permission that they are granting is to allow the app maker to call the Users.getInfo function, which tells someone everything on your profile.</p>

<p>A subset of this data; which includes ther uid, first_name, last_name, name, locale, current_location, affiliations (regional type only), pic_square, profile_url, and sex; is available as soon as a user interacts with your application, *before* she has authorized your application to access her information.</p>

<p>We're also looking at how we can build out deep data on people from being able to pull data from other sources. If we can get a small amount of data from Facebook, like the users name and email address, then we don't need the data from an FB profile in order to figure out their demographic, geographic and other graphic data. Deep profile data on users allows companies to make targeted offers to users based on their profile. Since the FB UID is permanently storable and accessible everywhere inside Facebook as well as on websites via Connect, companies can not only associate all interaction history with an individual, but can use that data to make personalized experiences and offers.</p>

<p>This is unprecedented in all of human history. Respectable marketers will want an overhaul of the Facebook user permissions because they won't want to be associated with sleazy abusers of things like the Users.getInfo call. We also want more layers of permission to ensure trust, as compared to a single gate that is all or nothing profile data. Consumer trust in Facebook improves quality marketing in the same way double opt in email lists perform better than spamming.</p>

<p>A Facebook Firehose feed will definitely be mined by companies like Radian6, Scout Labs, etc. I know we'll be looking at sucking in that data and associating it with UIDs for targeting intelligence. The average user is not aware of the implications of this.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We just saw the backlash users gave Google for their foray into private to public push when they released Buzz into user's Gmail accounts.  The average user wasn't happy about it.</p>

<p>I expect the consensus to be similar with Facebook.  Statuses will be flood with "How to hide your info posts" and the average user will loose trust in Facebook and become more leery of social media in general.</p>

<p>The people left in public mode will be the Twitter types and those who aren't savvy enough to fix it easily.  </p>

<p>Danah Boyd (@Zephoria) has it right when she says "online conversations are public by default, private through effort." yet Facebook users are accustomed their privacy and many are still unhappy about the most recent changes to privacy defaults.</p>

<p>Personally I hope they do it. Twitter is an absolutely amazing force mostly because of this default.  With so much more activity moving through Facebook, and data of a more generalized nature (lower geek-to-human ratio), it *will* certainly be interesting.</p>

<p>Although, segmentation & filters are going to be more important than ever.  If we weren't all geeks already...</p>

<p>-@JoshuaGuffey</p>]]>
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