You know what little startup companies need these days? They need to hire more people! It may be a frightening thought, but in an increasingly social world - being social is becoming an important full time job.
"Community Manager" is a position being hired for at a good number of large corporations (see Jeremiah Owyang's growing list of people with that kind of job) but what about smaller companies? We asked a number of people what they thought and the following discussion offers some great things to think about, pro and con.
A community manager can do many things (see below) but the most succinct definition of the role that we can offer is this. A community manager is someone who communicates with a company's users/customers, development team and executives and other stake holders in order to clarify and amplify the work of all parties. They probably provide customer service, highlight best use-cases of a product, make first contact in some potential business partnerships and increase the public visibility of the company they work for.
True believers can't emphasize the importance of the role enough. John Mark Walker, the Community Manager at CollabNet articulates this perspective well: "I firmly believe that the community manager should be one of the first hires - right after a solid engineering group and before you invest in corporate marketing people."
Not everyone sees it that way, something that causes substantial distress for people in the supply chain who are advocates for the CM role. "Start ups and all companies that exist online need to be looking at a community manager as a salaried position," said Dylan Boyd of eROI. "We have been working with big brands and it kills me when they just give 'social media' to someone that already has 10 other roles...At Omma Social last month in NYC that topic came up asking all the people in the room from Big brands if they had a community manager. 90% of them did not and are still trying to find out how to spec out a job description in order to hire for it."
Others see community management as something that doesn't need to be a full time job. "Community management is essentially a public relationship issue, so whoever picks up that gauntlet is on point for representing their company to the rest of us," consultant Peat Bakke told us. "It doesn't have to be a specific person or a full time job, but it is part of starting and running a business, almost by definition: if you're in business, you're doing community management whether you like it or not."
Some would go so far as to call an explicit community manager position a bad idea in the early days of a startup. Darius A Monsef IV, Executive Editor & Creator, COLOURlovers.com told us he thinks that in the early days founders need to be in the thick of managing their own communities.
Jonas Anderson voiced concern about community managers being caught between loyalties to the company and its users, while being tripped up by employer nondisclosure agreements. (Others though, such as former BBC blog producer Robin Hamman, point out that having a community manager can greatly reduce legal risk when a company engages extensively with its users.)
Startup founder Sachin Agarwal splits his time between community and other work. Though he wishes he had more time for this kind of work, a full timer isn't necessary, he says. "Our contact us page encourages people to ask each other and post on other sites before coming to us - we're happy to help, but I'd wager that other users know how to get the most out of our site better than even we do."
Similarly, Twine's Candice Nobles says after some consideration being given to the position, her company found that their users have been incredibly self-organized and regulating so far.
While those thoughts might seem valid, consultant Dawn Foster emphasized that for some companies - making one person ultimately responsible for community work can be essential. "For startups where community is a critical element of the product or service," she told us, "I think that a community manager should be an early hire. Without a community manager, the frantic pace of the startup environment can mean that the community gets neglected simply because no single person is tasked with being responsible for it. This neglect could result in failure for the startup if the community is critical."
We talk to a lot of CEOs on the phone here at ReadWriteWeb and we'll try to be polite in answering this question. Andraz Tori, CTO at Zemanta answers this question diplomatically. "The [community manager] role can be played by one of the founders early on, but as the project grows you need a person that knows how to listen," he told us. "Founders have a vision and might be a bit stubborn about what their product represents and offers (that's why they are founders). Someone a bit more distanced might be much better community manager since he has a lot more empathy for users and their problems and can relay that to developers and managers. And vice versa."
Pete Burgeson, director of marketing for online marketplace crowdSPRING says that a good community manager can help raise the voice of the users themselves. "We want to be able to build a platform for our community to have a voice, showcase their talent and become as active in speaking for crowdSPRING as we are speaking for ourselves."
Still others believe that users may not want to talk to the founder or a community manager, but some one with tech chops and focus. "I think a startup should put a developer in the community as opposed to a 'community manager'", Rob Diana told us. "Even though the developer may not be as good of a communicator as a marketing guy, there is a different type of understanding of what people want."
There are many ways that a community manager can benefit a startup company and it often varies from company to company. Eva Schweber, co-founder of CubeSpace says "it depends on the community and what needs to be managed...the style and distractability of the folks in the startup, how they like to collaborate with peers and how they define their peers."
It's a complicated job, but one that can help bring cohesiveness to the life of a company. "Any opportunity to interact with the community forces one to think about the product/feature considerations and ramifications of one choice over another," says Nagaraju Bandaru of SmartWebBlog. "In many ways, community manager is the evangelist for company's products and the voice of the customer in internal discussions. It's critical to react to online discussions with skill, consistency and aptitude; The role is hard to understand from outside but impossible to miss once a startup is in execution mode."
This coherent communication can have business development benefits as well. This seems to us to be one of the most important benefits of the position. Graeme Thickins, VP of Marketing at doapp explains:
"Their world includes the online community that represents both prospective customers/users, as well as strategic partner companies, possible future investors, future employees, and more. Perhaps thinking in terms of a 'listening manager' would help a lot of startup founders better come to grips with what this job is all about."
Carol Leaman from AideRSS says investing in a community manager position has helped her company "gain maximum benefit from our early adopters and growing base of users, as it's a key link between them and our development team. NOT having someone on this full-time would impede our growth and success. We consider ourselves fortunate to have both realized this need early, and to have found an amazing Community Manager to fill the role."
Does that have to be one person in particular? AideRSS's Melanie Baker explains that specialization is as appropriate in this role as in others. "While especially at startups there's a shortage of bodies and it's all hands on deck, not all hands are best suited to all activities," she said. "No one would want me writing code, and I wouldn't necessarily want just anyone talking to frustrated users, for example. It's also totally a hybrid role. My background involves marketing, web, QA, and writing, and I use all of it as a community manager. Someone with a more specialized background can certainly learn what it takes, but might have a hard time wrapping his/her head around the customer service/marketing/business analysis/tech support/software testing/documentation/journalist needs of the role."
"You need someone who understands the fundamental distinction that while you want to grow your user base, a user base does not equal a community," Baker said. "The best success involves growing the former while making every effort to evolve them into the latter. Because communities grow themselves organically a lot more easily than user bases do."
Isn't it ultimately about marketing? Kim Bardakian, Sr. Communications Manager, at the wonderful music site Pandora put it this way: "Pandora just created this position about four months ago and it's been INVALUABLE to our company, in such a short time! It's opened a whole new world of communications for us! Lucia Willow fills that role for us and she's great. With the iPhone/Pandora launch on Friday, the Twitter network and followers were making tons of buzz! It was very exciting.. "
Others see PR evolving towards a community management type of role in this increasingly social world. "I particularly liked the reference to PR as 'public relationships', interjected Kathleen Mazzocco ClearPR. "[That] conveys the directness and transparency of today's new PR. How can it not be given the open conversations going on? That's why Community Managers are the critical new PR position."
PR has long got a bad rap, though, and if PR pros are going to get into social media (they are already here in large quantities) then there may be some challenges to their ability to play a community management role. "The idea of a 'community manager' is a good one as long as that person has the freedom to discuss the negatives as well as the positives of the company's efforts," says Dave Allen of Nemo Design. "If we consider all the aspects of social media as PR 2.0 then I would argue that it is a very important position given that companies would hardly have gone without PR 1.0. I posted a top 10 list of what you might call a 'community manager's' activities might be like here."
(Disclosure: the author has a consulting relationship with Nemo)
Why would a busy little startup spend precious money on this kind of role?
"While a Community Manager isn't the same as a traditional PR role, ideally they should work together," says Meredith from A Little Clarity. "Startups are in a blur; often they're being run by engineers with VCs looking over their shoulders -- they don't know from community managers; so there should be some accountability, and that's the tricky part. Do you measure connections? Responsiveness? Transparent 'public relationships?' Whatever it is that your company will value, get it out there and agree on it, because one thing startups don't always have is time to do it right after getting burned."
You want tangible? Semantic web researcher Yihong Ding will give you tangible! He says that community managers are tasked with tending the most precious asset that many startups have staked their future on - user content.
"As we know, most of the Web 2.0 companies are built upon user generated content," he told us. "Philosophically, User Generated Content is embodied human mind. This embodied mind is generally the fundamental asset for the company. Maintaining a proper community so that users may embody their mind with high quality is thus a central issue for the growth of the company. The duty of community managers is to supervise and maintain the high-quality production of the fundamental mind asset used by the company. Therefore, I would say that community manager is a critical job title for most of the Web 2.0 companies."
We agree with Yihong. User data and community content are the foundation that web 2.0 style innovation and company valuations rest on. Failing to focus meaningfully on tending those assets is a foolish choice.
Thanks to everyone who participated in this conversation. We hope readers will contribute their thoughts in comments below.
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Marshall - this is a great post. In fact, you described my perfect job, if only I could find it.
I tend to consult with a lot of companies who think a quick Facebook profile and an occasional Tweet will fulfill their social media needs. They often don't like to hear that I think they need a full-time social media explorer, to borrow a phrase, let alone that I think they need me. ;-)
I fully advocate the position of community manager. I think the position ties alot of things together, and can work easily with PR and enhance it, without replacing it.
Thanks for giving us our credit. As a Community Director myself, I have seen first hand the benefits of this position for our website.
This is terrible advice.
If you're a startup, you need to hire as few people as possible. "Icing" positions like this should be reserved for at minimum a medium sized business.
I think it might be better to focus on, I don't know...making a profit?
#53, and how exactly would you make profit without customers?
Microsoft already has a similar role which they call "Evangelist". Looking at how they have amassed thousands of developers into what can be called Microsoft community, I think other organisations can also learn and leverage the potential such community oriented programs can bring to their business.
Very interesting concept. Since VC and start-ups seem today to be more interested in audience that real BusinessModel it seems like a smart move to have a Community Manager.
In the long I think what really matters though is how you can harness the potential of the community. IMHO that is what differentiate a successful project from a fashionable project. Can you find the lead-users (cf definition at the end) in your community ? Can you use crowd-sourcing as a competitive advantage ? Is your community strongly connected ? Tightly-coupled to your project ? etc...
but in the end, as said before, it's based on the objectives of each start-up and it's current position in its development phases.
Cheers,
Utopiah.
From Wikipedia :
Lead user is a term developed by Eric von Hippel in 1986. His definition for lead user is:
1. Lead users face needs that will be general in a marketplace – but face them months or years before the bulk of that marketplace encounters them, and
2. Lead users are positioned to benefit significantly by obtaining a solution to those needs.
More at http://web.mit.edu/evhippel/www/
I posted an example of a job desc for Comm Mgrs
http://conniebensen.com/blog/2008/07/17/community-manager-job-description/
And there's a link to a list of goals/tasks there too.
Marshall, thanks for thinking I was useful enough to quote. It turned into great article and well informative.
How informative? Well, we just got a part-time Community Manager and the first thing I did was have him read this article, the comments, the Digg comments, and go from there. :)
In our case, as a marketplace for video games, systems, and accessories - the community is more than just a userbase - and more than just content producers - they're the actors in our market. We only make money when our community is active - not just registered and checking in once a month.
One of the things that would be good as a follow up is a discussion of what tools CM's should use - and which ones take more time than are worth it. Spamming invites to the Facebook and MySpace pages or engaging on Twitter? Blogging on the corporate site or leaving comments on others'? That would be something I'd love to hear, now that we've established that CM is a key part of any startup's strategy.
Sachin, that's awesome!
Posted by: Marshall Kirkpatrick
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July 17, 2008 3:07 PM
Thanks for a very informativ article, Marshall! As you say, I did voice concerns when I first thought about this. Now I see it would solve many problems. Even established companys would benefit from hiring someone to deal with new media. It's more difficult to motivate successful "old-school" management to change their ways than a company in trouble that has to change. I actually got to write a presentation of your thoughts for a friend. He works in advertising and is dealing with a client company of that ilk. Old-school and doing very well. They are looking to expand. I'll let you know how it pans out. Thanks again!
For me this new job description signals two important developments: first, the increasing confluence of PR and marketing; second, the end of thinking of the consumer as standing behind a huge wall that is only semi-permeable with (unidirectional) tools like market research (that's the way Rob Kozinets put it and I like this metaphor very much).
So I would add that Community Managers could also develop an interesting relationship to market research. What they are (or rather could be) doing is to some extent ethnographical field research.
Unfortunately in Germany Community Manager is all too often misunderstood to be the guy that manages the company's support forum and deletes the spam there.
For me this new job description signals two important developments: first, the increasing confluence of PR and marketing; second, the end of thinking of the consumer as standing behind a huge wall that is only semi-permeable with (unidirectional) tools like market research (that's the way Rob Kozinets put it and I like this metaphor very much).
So I would add that Community Managers could also develop an interesting relationship to market research. What they are (or rather could be) doing is to some extent ethnographical field research.
Unfortunately in Germany Community Manager is all too often misunderstood to be the guy that manages the company's support forum and deletes the spam there.
Posted by: benedikt
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July 17, 2008 3:32 PM
I've settled on "Network Facilitator", but noticed the need back when I was heavily involved in NZ MovieFest - if a community is fostered, it flourishes into something is not only worth money, but worthwhile. Of recent times, I'm seeing more and more community managers - and not just for start-ups, but for larger companies as well. Bring back community, eh?
Posted by: Jo Booth
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July 17, 2008 9:26 PM
This is an excellent article, and defines my role at Sun as a community manager for Startup Essentials, being a strong part of the Startup community in the UK not just sponsor events but being part of it....contributing and adding input where I can. There should be more community focus and push out, from within a company and not just PR etc, but more being part of it, enjoying it and embracing..it.
Perhaps a bit long. "Is Community Management the New PR?" I thought this paragraph put it in a nutshell although, I take it, your thesis is that a Community Manager is much more.
Excellent post! I am the community manager at Predictify (www.predictify.com) and this describes the value of a community manager fairly accurately. This post will also help me explain my role in the company to some of my friends =)
Just one question: what is the best tool CM should use to communicate with their users? The company blog, a twitter account for the company? Any blogs where the company name appears? All of these and more? :)
I see some comments here supporting/criticizing the view that CM is PR. On the latter point of view, I'd like to elaborate a little on the former. CM and PR go together once you assume that PR is irrevocably changed by the Internet. It has become disintermediated. It has also become more transparent, ergo the "public relationships" description as opposed to "public relations". It is also much more dependent on authentic, networked relationships. This is because the community is where the power now resides. While many of PR's traditional skills -- writing, analysis, industry knowledge -- are still relevant, entirely new ways of working now require skills that are inherently part of the CM job description.
Community Managers play different roles for different companies. It's an evolutionary process and it's being defined as more community managers appear. On a daily basis I work closely with an external advisory board, community members, my sales, marketing and pr teams... I also execute on a lot of partnerships, cross-promotion opportunities, program development and oversight...
The jobs are endless... but the role is fluid.
Community managers do not replace any more traditional roles - we add value to existing ones.
My two cents,
~ Janetti Chon
Community Manager, Web 2.0 Expo
www.web2expo.com
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